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On October 02 2012 12:10 annul wrote:okay, i see now where you get that from. Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.
i interpreted this part to be future-predictive, not past-indicative. like he is saying "i dont expect this to happen." note the difference in verb tense between the two clauses: "i don't think he would've dropped" (past tense) vs "i don't think he would be willing to reappear" (future tense)
It makes no sense for node to have defended shady based on what he might do in the future. if you interpret it that way, it's not a defense, it's speculation about future actions that shady might take
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Still reading for context but I'm currently of annul's viewpoint that the switch seems ... unnatural for a lack of better term. The lynch candidate selection is basically a lurker list (none of the cases really stuck out as built on strong analysis), and with an inactive town as this the lynch sway has me concerned. When you have a selection of alright lynch targets and a sudden switches happens from one to another, it raises flags.
Will read up on other candidates and give thoughts on them.
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This is beyond ridiculous. I misinterpreted austin's post as being more about finding Shady town-ish at all. Shady's pushing had been weak, but it was certainly a shift from his earlier play -- that's what I was getting at. He was backing up his claims by contributing instead of simply running away. I just don't think that's something mafia would be willing to do. At the time I was also under the assumption that he was, you know, still playing. Which is why the second post said what it did -- I was backing off of those claims specifically because Shady was no longer contributing.
And what scares me the most about this switch is how little justification everyone that's not austin is giving. Kush's is literally the definition of an OMGUS, VE just "likes a Node lynch" (yet is pestering annul for his thoughts on me)...
On October 02 2012 11:02 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 11:00 kingjames01 wrote:
What if we switch targets and Shady Sands casts a last minute vote to avoid the modkill?
That never happens. Can someone give me a quick node reason, AFAIK hes a lurker
It happens. I've done it. Look at Death Note Mini, the last game I played in. On a few days players placed votes on me, then switched off as it got closer to the deadline and I hadn't posted -- and used the exact justification that they expected me to be modkilled. Of course, it never happened.
Anyways, switching my vote to Shady because apparently that might be what it takes to me from getting lynched.
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On October 02 2012 12:11 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:10 annul wrote:okay, i see now where you get that from. On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.
i interpreted this part to be future-predictive, not past-indicative. like he is saying "i dont expect this to happen." note the difference in verb tense between the two clauses: "i don't think he would've dropped" (past tense) vs "i don't think he would be willing to reappear" (future tense) It makes no sense for node to have defended shady based on what he might do in the future. if you interpret it that way, it's not a defense, it's speculation about future actions that shady might take
THAT specific sentence fragment is speculative. the rest of it is obviously a defense
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Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier.
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On October 02 2012 12:12 Node wrote:This is beyond ridiculous. I misinterpreted austin's post as being more about finding Shady town-ish at all. Shady's pushing had been weak, but it was certainly a shift from his earlier play -- that's what I was getting at. He was backing up his claims by contributing instead of simply running away. I just don't think that's something mafia would be willing to do. At the time I was also under the assumption that he was, you know, still playing. Which is why the second post said what it did -- I was backing off of those claims specifically because Shady was no longer contributing. And what scares me the most about this switch is how little justification everyone that's not austin is giving. Kush's is literally the definition of an OMGUS, VE just "likes a Node lynch" (yet is pestering annul for his thoughts on me)... Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 11:02 BroodKingEXE wrote:On October 02 2012 11:00 kingjames01 wrote:
What if we switch targets and Shady Sands casts a last minute vote to avoid the modkill?
That never happens. Can someone give me a quick node reason, AFAIK hes a lurker It happens. I've done it. Look at Death Note Mini, the last game I played in. On a few days players placed votes on me, then switched off as it got closer to the deadline and I hadn't posted -- and used the exact justification that they expected me to be modkilled. Of course, it never happened. Anyways, switching my vote to Shady because apparently that might be what it takes to me from getting lynched.
Well, we've got Node here now. If you guys have a real case then direct it to him and see how he responds.
As far as I can tell there are no real solid candidates for a good lynch.
I'll move my vote to Shady Sands to give Node some breathing room.
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On October 02 2012 12:14 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:11 austinmcc wrote:On October 02 2012 12:10 annul wrote:okay, i see now where you get that from. On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.
i interpreted this part to be future-predictive, not past-indicative. like he is saying "i dont expect this to happen." note the difference in verb tense between the two clauses: "i don't think he would've dropped" (past tense) vs "i don't think he would be willing to reappear" (future tense) It makes no sense for node to have defended shady based on what he might do in the future. if you interpret it that way, it's not a defense, it's speculation about future actions that shady might take THAT specific sentence fragment is speculative. the rest of it is obviously a defense
What rest of it? If you take that part out, you're left withOn October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly
His trolling wasn't scummy.
If he were scum, he wouldn't have stopped trolling so quickly.
I still don't find the second bit there any good, and it's very suspicious to me. Shady was spewing obscenities and typing in half caps. He did it enough that mods warned him. Node defends Shady because Shady stopped doing something that the mods told him to stop doing. Great defense.
So unless you like that point, Node's defense was "His trolling antics were silly, but they weren't scummy."
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@Node look at the cirumstances of that lynch though. If Shady were to sneak vote he would be insta killed the next day/night. Day one votes usually end up with little to no info due to a town lynch anyway so why would he risk killing a townie for one mafia?
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On October 02 2012 12:19 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Node look at the cirumstances of that lynch though. If Shady were to sneak vote he would be insta killed the next day/night. Day one votes usually end up with little to no info due to a town lynch anyway so why would he risk killing a townie for one mafia?
You'd be surprised how long some of these players can hang on even when they should be insta-killed.
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Day 1 Vote Count
Shady Sands (7): Marvellosity, Coagulation, kushm4sta, Risen, iamperfection, Mementoss, risk.nuke, austinmcc, ShiaoPi, kushm4sta, BroodKingEXE, Node, kingjames01
kingjames01 (2): keirathi, mkfuba07, kreb, marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Mattchew, kushm4sta, austinmcc, Z-Boson
kushm4sta (1): Node, Mementoss, annul
VisceraEyes (1): Talismania, Z-Boson
Mementoss (0): kingjames01
austinmcc (3): kreb, mkfuba07, BloodyC0bbler
risk.nuke (1): Sharrant
Node (7): Marvellosity, VisceraEyes, austinmcc, kushm4sta, Z-Boson, iamperfection, BroodKingEXE, kingjames01
The following players have not voted: AdmiralAardvark, SlOosh, Shady Sands,
Friendly reminder to use the Voting Thread to have your vote counted.
It's a little under 1 hour till deadline.
Currently, Node is set to be lynched. (Tie with Shady Sands, he acquired 7 before Shady)
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On October 02 2012 12:18 austinmcc wrote:
So unless you like that point, Node's defense was "His trolling antics were silly, but they weren't scummy."
i never said it was a good defense. but you are not seriously going to argue that it is not "A" defense, right?
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Allright, there he is.
I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch.
I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading.
##Unvote
##Vote Coagulation
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huh well, lets read coag's filter
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Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands
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On October 02 2012 12:26 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:18 austinmcc wrote:
So unless you like that point, Node's defense was "His trolling antics were silly, but they weren't scummy."
i never said it was a good defense. but you are not seriously going to argue that it is not "A" defense, right? Man, I was just finding you townie.
How are you going to say that node defended shady, which you liked because it matched what you were doing all day.
then people bring up the text of node's defense, which was the root of my post on him, which seems to be the root of this voteswap.
Node's defense is not that single line about trolling being silly but not scummy. His defense is (1) trolling is silly but not scummy, (2) shady stopped trolling quickly, (3) shady started pushing people
(3) didn't happen
mods TOLD him to stop doing (2)
you can't then look at (1) and go "see, there's a defense. Just not a good one." That's entirely disingenuous. You were just happy he made a defense at all. It's been pointed out that the defense was bad and it was based on misrepresenting shady's play. You can't then take the one bit that isn't based on a misrepresentation and go "see, a defense!" You have to take it as a whole. And the whole thing, which is technically defense, isn't just A defense, it's A SCUMMY defense.
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##Unvote
Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window.
As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain?
Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone.
##Vote Shady Sands
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I can't stay up for deadline. My vote is staying on node.
In the same way that some may have concerns about the way votes are coming in, look at some of the votes going elsewhere, or admonitions to go elsewhere:
On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote:
Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier.
Wagon looks scummy. Nothing about node himself, nothing about node's postsOn October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Allright, there he is.
I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch.
I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading.
##Unvote
##Vote Coagulation
Dude who randomly mentions Node
On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote:
Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.
With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.
The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.
##Vote: Shady Sands
Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy?
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On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Allright, there he is.
I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch.
I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading.
##Unvote
##Vote Coagulation
Yeah nice try scum. When shady flips red kill this dude next.
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ah the resistance came finally... scum just needed to consort with each other in the qt first
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