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I hadn't thought about you not lynching would be a no lynch, and that takes away pretty much all my argument, so you're on the clear for now (in my eyes).
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
I hadn't thought about you not lynching would be a no lynch, and that takes away pretty much all my argument, so you're on the clear for now (in my eyes). | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
So that brings me back to my original point: a check on me, while not wasted, is not optimal. I think there's more than enough information in the thread to determine my alignment and I think there's a hellified list to check into in non-Jackal-voters. My two cents. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
But now after reading your defense post, the idea of non-jackal voters being scum looks more attractive to me. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Allow me to clear any doubt you have the old-fashioned way. Ask me questions you think ONLY TOWN VE will know, and I'll prove that I'm town.  | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I tried to get in early to work but I got pulled into a meeting when I got in. Finalising objectives for 2012 (in March, that's big company efficiency for you). I am on lunch at the moment but won't be around for long. Sorry guys, I wish I could be more productive, fucking work is giving me the shits. Anyway, we are one scum down which is an awesome start, here is the next. Sloosh He is clearly scum this game. The first thing I would like to point out is his meta (this is not the whole case, just sets the tone). Here is Sloosh as town Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII He is a VT Newbie Mini Mafia III - He is a Medic Now look as his Mafia play Newbie Mini Mafia IV - He is a Goon When he is town he posts like crazy and forces town to follow his reads. He is forthright and pressuring. When he is mafia he lurks and posts only what he needs to post. His major case when he was mafia was a tunnel on a townie and he refused to look at other cases. This game his filter doesn't even reach a page despite all the shit that has happened so far. His only case was against xksc which was forced as anything and he didn't comment substantially on anything else. From a run through of his filter he looks like scum, so how about when we take a closer look. The xksc case - Klicky This is the crux of the post On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote: Right now my eye is on xsksc: the first thing he does is join VE and start grilling the newbie. He then posts a pre-emptive defense for his lack of vote. He takes a whole paragraph to say "I didn't vote because I wasn't sure". Wishy washy about his read, giving obvious advice about using our time without actually doing it himself and keen to explain why he did not add a vote even though no one actually asked him. Note that xksc never said he thought Johnny was town, just that he might be town. Anyone early on Day 1 who is adamant they have found scum and will not change their vote is likely to be scum. Unless there is a definite scumslip it is reasonable to be wary about your reads. That was why I thought VE's read on Johnny was a pressure play because nothing so far was definitely scummy. Sloosh tries to paint xksc's prudence as wishy-washy play. When xksc points this out Sloosh follows up with this case (Klicky) which boils down to On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote: 3) You take half a paragraph to assert that we have a lot of time and implicitly encourage thread stagnation as you do not offer any new discussion points or "push a town agenda" 4) You completely ignore my suspicions on your 'wishy-washy on the fence' nature point in my case. Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all) and right now you are my #1 read. The main point I get from here is that xksc is apparently not pushing the discussion along and so is being hypocritical. Well I disagree, he was clearly forcing Johnny to respond to his case. His point about time was that there is plenty of it available to Johnny to shape up. It is clear from his posting that xksc was suspicious of Johnny but wasn't sure because the case was weak. Again, Sloosh is painting xksc as being wishy-washy and fluffy when he is one of the few that is actually contributing. Also note, he has not commented on Johnny specifically (aside from saying he thinks he is a deer in headlights). He hasn't commented on VE either, or Jackal, or anyone else. This is really similar to his play in Newbie Mini Mafia IV. He then nails to coffin shut with this beauty of a case ( Klicky ). This is the important bit On March 19 2012 05:54 slOosh wrote: Nothing in your filter indicates a reservation of opinion. It's clear that you already think he is scum and are shutting down evidence from a guilty until proven innocent standpoint. Add to that some even more misrepresentation, acknowledging the only line I mention him yet somehow construe that I am "so sure" he is town, when I made no such read. You are right to be confused. Apparently xksc is now not being wishy-washy but is stubborn. He has clearly made up his mind and will not change it and that makes him scum? This is scum realising their case is shit and finding something else to pin on their suspect. Then when this is not enough he moves in another direction (Klicky). On March 19 2012 10:34 slOosh wrote: Saying someone could be mafia for traits that he himself displays; I think that constitutes hypocrisy. Which was rightly pilloried as both hypocritical and inconsistent. See the pattern here. When the case makes no sense, find a reason for it to make sense. When even this doesn't work he moves onto others (Klicky). His next major contribution is his case against Snarfs (Klicky). I have no problem with the post itself. It did come after Tobon, sandroba and jcarlsoniv voted for Snarfs so the timing looks like joining a wagon. Either way it is a decent post which is followed by this doozy (Klicky). Yes, Snarfs' broke the rules but to me this looks like someone hoping for a modkill. Then his final post before the deadline is (Klicky), which has rightly been pointed as very scummy. The whole thing reads as someone trying to distance themselves from the impending lynch, which combined with the timing just confirms my read. It gives him a good excuse not to bus his scum buddy. If the only time he had to post was right at the deadline when the lynch was already confirmed jumping onto Jackal would look like a bus. His vote wouldn't have made a difference to the end result so he decides to post an excuse and place a vote to nowhere. TLDR - Sloosh has pushed a phony case all game and when forced to re-evaluate, jumped on a townie wagon and then placed an excuse for not voting for scum right on the deadline after the lynch was confirmed. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Playing LoL and looking over some candidates for tomorrow. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
He is on my watch list, though. The only thing that alleviated some suspicion was that Jackal flipped scum. If sloosh was also scum, why would he vote against the Jackal lynch that was gonna happen regardless of his vote? That is, unless, sloosh just wasn't paying attention or lost track of the vote because of how fast the bandwagon was. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
You know what I don't like? The fact that the case you've made could have been made yesterday with the same accuracy and validity, yet you didn't. Why is that? | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
I'd be willing to lynch sloosh next day phase, although VE is still my main target. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Not saying the case is bad, it's good, I'm just confused by the timing. I've been telling everyone sloosh is scum for ages now and you've had plenty of chances to support me if you felt that way about his case on me. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
The generally tone of your posts are closer to your mafia play than town play which is essentially very aggressive and irrational. And that insistence to lynch jonnywup based on a bad case as pointed out by several other people. You were sure he was scum based on a bad case, the case just feels really forced to try and start an easy bandwagon that no one would question. Yes things have happened, and you are playing less scummy now. But it's not like your alignment can suddenly change halfway through the game. All you really need is one major scumslip to find scum. I see it as you fixing your scumplay once you were called out on it. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not, I asked if I was scum. I'm just trying to figure out how what Jackal did is different from what I did, when I know I'm town. I'm disliking Jackal's contributions to the thread and their infrequency, but his tone has struck me as town enough. I'm undecided, and as you're unwilling to lynch me D1 in this pool, so am I unwilling to lynch Jackal D1 in this pool. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Eh? Yeah? No? It's cool, your case is weak enough without me debunking it or discrediting you - and I'm going to die, so you'll only have to explain yourself to everyone else tomorrow. But yeah, thanks. That's what I was looking for. | ||
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