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Ok, I have been looking for clues in the first 6 pages,I'll post stuff as I go, day 1 it's hard to get a good case going against anyone,but this is to note:
I'm not the best townie here so you might be asking yourself why am I running for mayor, I came here to win and I think the best thing to do as a townie is to try and win the election
By Risk.nuke
Things that strike me: This guy wants to win, but recognizes he is far from the best townie.What do we do, as townies?
Think logically, not run for mayor cause we have a BIG ego.And this is basically what he is doing.
The amount of GREEN in his post made me lean towards mafia instead of a blue role, cause he wants to slip under the radar.
Conclusion:I think he wants DT immunity, and shows some scumminess. A decent choice for a day 1 lynch. Else he is a bad townie with a big ego, but ,,always townie, never not townie,, doesnt fully convince me and I think he's feeling a bit guilty.
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I support bumat's anaylysis of Adam, he is pro town for me. He has no previous history, and his first post is defo not scummy.What i don't agree is him giving advice for blue roles and ,,MASON ME''. Maybe blue, Maybe red, NOT TOWN.
This guy is not town, he runs for mayor, gives advice
Sandroba has so far made 1 post, not giving out a ton, i encourage him to be posting more.
Protactinium tries to have a fight on day 1 on the basis that mr wiggles' campaign is not stone-solid. My policy as town would'nt be Lynch all Liars, because non-newb mafia don't lie usually and that you may easily lynch a blue role, which has to make more use of lies than a townie.I would lynch all those unproductive enough to start a fight so easily as Protactinium has.
So, day 1 candidates for a lynch, in order:
Risk.nuke
Protactinium
Bumat
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And you totally ignore gcq, who has only written criticisms of posts that he thinks are bad?
You randomly propose to lynch bumatlarge after agreeing with his analysis? And also where is the supposed analysis of bum?
Adam has not posted anything that makes him strongly pro town imo, he starts a discussion about bodyguards when we dont even have a consensus on who should be elected mayor.
Protactinium has only one post, which is quite trolling, so null read right now.
Your posts make you quite suspicious in my eyes.
Also, you edited your last post ...
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risk.nuke has only written his campaign post, which was at the time when everybody campaigned for mayor. I would wait for his follow-up to make a call on his alignment.
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am I the only one who thinks BC's campaign is a little weird? I'm reading page 25 right now and I can't stop thinking about it. It feels off for some reason imo.
I can't really put it down to something but although he said he's going to be accountable and vocal it doesn't feel like like townie-BC from the 80 player game.
I voted him back than because I thought he's townie in that game and a lot of people said it's too dangerous to vote him because it's an instant-lose if he's scum. He answered a lot he made reasonable posts and everything he posted looked townish while I got the feeling he's trying to pretend to be town this game.
Just take the part about foolishness for example. Sure foolishness is weird and someone has to point that out alright but I don't like that part at all:
I will question, analyze and call out all those who play in what I view as bad town/mafia like. (I have already done this with foolishness, he knows better).
Sounds like "hey guys, see this? I am totally town! I put some effort in this and got pro-town things rolling". Does he really have to point out he's doing good? I'd like people to judge him on what he's doing themselves.
Could be nothing at all but as mentioned I got a weird feeling when reading his posts and to me it's nothing like the last game I saw him play.
Other than that: Still on page 25, still reading, still don't like palmar's post.
However I actually like VE's post a lot but doubt that he's going to be mayor. He's putting some effort into this game and I don't think that that's his mafia-play at all.
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Just coming in showing that I am here and intend to be active. I have class this morning (Currently 8AM) and I will be back by noon. Still catching up in the thread (page 25), and will finish and post after I get home from the AM Class.
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On January 13 2012 13:50 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of directing blues, so I won't ramble on how medics should protect vets or how vigs should save their shot on night one.
the fuck is that supposed to be? Is that on purpose for some reason?
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On January 13 2012 16:36 Nisani201 wrote:
risk.nuke - doesn't talk about how he will mayor powers
Mayor powers? Beeing the mayor isn't beeing god. The mayor powers are
3 votes: Okey I'll tell you how I'm going to use 3 votes. I'll vote 3 times for the one I think is scum.
Day 1 lynch: I'll lynch the person I think is scum. When I have decided on a person I am leaning on I will post that in the thread an keep you updated. If I become the sheriff I will use incarcerate to the best of my abillitys. It's a 3 shot jailer who can't target same person twice. I'll use it conservatively and intelligently.
On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Risk.nuke does the same thing as kita and says he isn’t the best townie, he also says he’s lost interest a few times but swears he won’t do it this game. Famous last words… No offense risk but this isn’t very compelling.
That is not at all what I said. I don't loose interest. In fact, I actually use the fact that I don't loose interest as a one of my merits. I said I won't loose my calm and start raging or call names which is quite different from loosing my interest.
On January 13 2012 20:59 rgTheSchworz wrote:/confirm Ok, I have been looking for clues in the first 6 pages,I'll post stuff as I go, day 1 it's hard to get a good case going against anyone,but this is to note: Show nested quote +
I'm not the best townie here so you might be asking yourself why am I running for mayor, I came here to win and I think the best thing to do as a townie is to try and win the election
By Risk.nuke Things that strike me: This guy wants to win, but recognizes he is far from the best townie.What do we do, as townies? Think logically, not run for mayor cause we have a BIG ego.And this is basically what he is doing. The amount of GREEN in his post made me lean towards mafia instead of a blue role, cause he wants to slip under the radar. Conclusion:I think he wants DT immunity, and shows some scumminess. A decent choice for a day 1 lynch. Else he is a bad townie with a big ego, but ,,always townie, never not townie,, doesnt fully convince me and I think he's feeling a bit guilty.
Wordbender. A person who takes what someone says and push it alittle bit further. There are several reasons why I don't like this behavior. First of all it's imo just an acceptable lie. What you do is you're trying to change the appearance of something to make it fit your agenda or theory. Why are anyone doing this. FoS.
I said I not the best townie but I am not bad. If I thought I would be a bad choice for mayor I wouldn't run. Beeing good at scumhunting in the end comes down to 3 pillars imo. Effort, Logic, Experience. I may not have the most experience but I have played a few games and I know most of the ropes. And even though I may be slightly behind some other candidates in experience I have a vast supply of logic and effort. Anyone can scumhunt, it's just the the veterans love to pretend that it's their secret superpower.
"A decent choice for a day 1 lynch. Else he is a bad townie with a big ego"
Beeing a bad townie is a terrible reason to lynch someone for. It's just an excuse to make it seem as lynching a bad townie is okey. Double FoS.
always townie, never not townie is a pun on the fact that I have played 5-6 games on team liquid and I have always been townie (Veteran in one game)
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hi everyone!
/confirm.
I am a complete noob in this game, so please be forgiving to my small mistakes here and there!
I'll try to share my views on this first day. Sorry if it's a bit clumsy, I am doing my best.
1. concerning the mayor election, I don't know if it's a usual thing, but I feel it's a bad idea to have too many people running for the election... in a sense, this mess is already a success for the mafia, isn't it? So, I would suggest that the persons who don't seem to be so concerned with it just stop running for the election, so that we have only a few candidates left. It doesn't mean there will be more or less scums among the left candidates, but at least, we can look more closely to who they are and clarify things. But maybe that's a bad idea!
about who could be a good mayor, I am not so sure right now.(how difficult is it to ground any judgment at the moment!  ) I think the main thing is to keep in mind that whoever we elect, we are absolutely not sure of who he really is, even if we convincingly voted for him after some reasonable discussion.
So let me give my two cents (not worth more!).
I have to say I appreciated the candidacy of Mr Wriggles  , who has a clear argumentation and is pleasant to read. Not talking too much, making clear logical points. The only thing I am afraid of is that it may be a trick. Also, the Foolishness Bill murray candidacy sounds too big to be mafia-ish. There are claiming their "alliance" too loud, it would be way too risky for them if they were mafia, as everyone focuses on them. So, paradoxically, I would trust them more (or Bill Murray more precisely) as mayor.
So I guess I will vote either Mr Wriggles, or Bill Murray; Mr Wriggles being more rational and precise in his analysis (but maybe it's a game) while Bill Murray is more a safety choice (with our very limited information, I feel it's rational to assume that he can't be mafia). But these are only very limited hypotheses and assumptions. How do you guys feel about that?
I am also kind of sad that Echelon tee didn't apply, as I feel I share most of his analyses up to now . except for foolishness maybe.
2. Reading the whole 5 pages of debate, I noticed a few things. First is Cyber_cheese. What's the point of attacking Mr Wriggles from the beginning? that doesn't help for town cohesion at all (even more if it's a "joke"). it just looks like he wants to create a mess. Other people seem to have similar concerns with him, so maybe this is something worth discussing alltogether. So what do you think? Cyber, if maybe, could you say a word about this?
To make it clear, it's merely an impression, I don't want to focus too much on you either. In a sense, Cyber is obviously not the only one. I feel that there are many useless agressive posts all around. So how do you guys feel about that? For instance, lthe ast one between Wherebugsgo and palmar, (as Toadesstern remarked): What's the point of being aggressive like that if you are town? Correct me if I am wrong, but I see no other reason for such a behaviour than one of them at least being scum. At the same time WBG's analysis sounds convincing for the moment. Others in similar situations would be nisani for instance. But maybe I am missing things here...
Feel free to criticize my analysis, I am here to improve! and all my apologies to the misaccused persons, but from what I read in various guides, we have to go through this to find out real mafia...
Macpo
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in every single game i've played at least 1 mayoral candidate has been scum
this game should be no different. i'm down for a lynch of one of the candidates tonight
Palmar not running for mayor? That's odd he usually runs first thing every game
Probably vote BC/sandro to keep them alive day 1
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So, I woke up, ate a couple of eggos and read the thread. I'm going to school soon, so this will be brief.
Potential Lynch Candidates:
Palmar is easy to read as scum, so we should have a decent idea of his alignment by the end of the day, based on his posting and attitude.
Of the other mayoral candidates, I don't likes bumatlarge's mayoral post, which is less about why he should be mayor, or how we should play, and more about a list of advice for blues. I get the feeling that he's actually going to drop out of the election before the end of day 1. I also don't like Cyber's posting in general, but I'd probably need to elaborate, and I can't do that right now.
Who I'm voting for:
The point of the no-campaign campaign, is that you can't hold anyone to anything they say as part of a mayoral campaign. The only promise a mayor can really make and keep, is who they're going to lynch. However, by the time they can actually prove that they'll hold their promise, they're already mayor, and therefore already have the power to do whatever they want.
So, my plan is to just play the game, with a secondary focus on the mayoral election. My vote will go on the person who I think is actually playing the game, and who I think is town. I'm not going to vote for the person who made the most promises he can't be held accountable for until he's actually the mayor, or whoever put the most bold green text and pictures in their campaign, and neither should you. Right now, it's likely to go on BC, depending on how he continues to post, and if I like what I see and get a town vibe from him. I'm not at that point yet, however.
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Mayor should just lynch one of his bodyguards to keep scum from taking them.
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jackal, i feel that that idea is horrible. I just spent some time reading the thread, and I am suprised that L hasn't started his mayoral campaign on the basis of lynching BM yet.
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On January 13 2012 23:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So, I woke up, ate a couple of eggos and read the thread. I'm going to school soon, so this will be brief.
Potential Lynch Candidates:
Palmar is easy to read as scum, so we should have a decent idea of his alignment by the end of the day, based on his posting and attitude.
Of the other mayoral candidates, I don't likes bumatlarge's mayoral post, which is less about why he should be mayor, or how we should play, and more about a list of advice for blues. I get the feeling that he's actually going to drop out of the election before the end of day 1. I also don't like Cyber's posting in general, but I'd probably need to elaborate, and I can't do that right now.
Who I'm voting for:
The point of the no-campaign campaign, is that you can't hold anyone to anything they say as part of a mayoral campaign. The only promise a mayor can really make and keep, is who they're going to lynch. However, by the time they can actually prove that they'll hold their promise, they're already mayor, and therefore already have the power to do whatever they want.
So, my plan is to just play the game, with a secondary focus on the mayoral election. My vote will go on the person who I think is actually playing the game, and who I think is town. I'm not going to vote for the person who made the most promises he can't be held accountable for until he's actually the mayor, or whoever put the most bold green text and pictures in their campaign, and neither should you. Right now, it's likely to go on BC, depending on how he continues to post, and if I like what I see and get a town vibe from him. I'm not at that point yet, however.
Hey Mr Wiggles,
just a short question : how are you so sure that palmar is scum? palmar sounded a bit agressive, but saying he is easy to read? (I am not asking this with an agressive suspicious tone, just trying to figure things out)
Also, what is it in BCs posts that makes you feel he is trustworthy?
Thanks! That will help me make my mind.
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On January 13 2012 21:19 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I support bumat's anaylysis of Adam, he is pro town for me. He has no previous history, and his first post is defo not scummy.What i don't agree is him giving advice for blue roles and ,,MASON ME''. Maybe blue, Maybe red, NOT TOWN.
This guy is not town, he runs for mayor, gives advice
Sandroba has so far made 1 post, not giving out a ton, i encourage him to be posting more.
Protactinium tries to have a fight on day 1 on the basis that mr wiggles' campaign is not stone-solid. My policy as town would'nt be Lynch all Liars, because non-newb mafia don't lie usually and that you may easily lynch a blue role, which has to make more use of lies than a townie.I would lynch all those unproductive enough to start a fight so easily as Protactinium has.
So, day 1 candidates for a lynch, in order:
Risk.nuke
Protactinium
Bumat
There is to be ZERO EDITING EVER in a game of Mafia. If it were up to me, you would be modkilled right now as I have very little (read "zero") tolerance for people not reading basic rules. However, since this is Flamewheel's game, I will leave this for him to look on. This is my one and only warning for this game. Any further edits and modkills WILL happen.
As for the several questions asked to mods over the last couple of pages, I am not 100% sure on the answers. So, rather than risk being wrong and looking the fool, I will wait for him to get on to answer them.
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On January 14 2012 00:20 Macpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 23:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So, I woke up, ate a couple of eggos and read the thread. I'm going to school soon, so this will be brief.
Potential Lynch Candidates:
Palmar is easy to read as scum, so we should have a decent idea of his alignment by the end of the day, based on his posting and attitude.
Of the other mayoral candidates, I don't likes bumatlarge's mayoral post, which is less about why he should be mayor, or how we should play, and more about a list of advice for blues. I get the feeling that he's actually going to drop out of the election before the end of day 1. I also don't like Cyber's posting in general, but I'd probably need to elaborate, and I can't do that right now.
Who I'm voting for:
The point of the no-campaign campaign, is that you can't hold anyone to anything they say as part of a mayoral campaign. The only promise a mayor can really make and keep, is who they're going to lynch. However, by the time they can actually prove that they'll hold their promise, they're already mayor, and therefore already have the power to do whatever they want.
So, my plan is to just play the game, with a secondary focus on the mayoral election. My vote will go on the person who I think is actually playing the game, and who I think is town. I'm not going to vote for the person who made the most promises he can't be held accountable for until he's actually the mayor, or whoever put the most bold green text and pictures in their campaign, and neither should you. Right now, it's likely to go on BC, depending on how he continues to post, and if I like what I see and get a town vibe from him. I'm not at that point yet, however. Hey Mr Wiggles, just a short question : how are you so sure that palmar is scum? palmar sounded a bit agressive, but saying he is easy to read? (I am not asking this with an agressive suspicious tone, just trying to figure things out) Also, what is it in BCs posts that makes you feel he is trustworthy? Thanks! That will help me make my mind.
he did not say he's sure that palmar is scum. He said palmar is easy to read and if he really is scum we will know soon enough.
Palmar is the kind of guy that puts a lot of effort into games when town and only very little effort into games he rolled mafia.
Last game he even said he isn't reading the thread as mafia once the game was over.
However, 2 games ago (the annul thing) he wanted to chill a bit and tried playing with little effort. Of course he had to get serious after everyone got suspicious of him after that big dayvig thing.
I'm not sure what he's up to right now. Might be a 2nd attempt to chill a bit, might be scum, might be a trick and at this point it's pretty wifom to ask which of those it might be. But yeah it's not exactly what he usually does as a townie.
I'd also like to know why people like BC so much this game. As mentioned last election-game everyone was like "nooo don't vote for BC. It's way too dangerous if he's mafia" when I said I might vote for him and now it's just fine?
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Chaosquo , i will deal with gcq , I AM NOT BLIND.
I was hastily posting from school's computer.Bumat is 3rd on my list which means,, wait and see,,
He's not town, that's all the reads i have on him.
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election?
This post and the analysis bumat made on it DO AGREE with.
What bugs me with bumat is that his post on blues seems suspicious, as either he's claiming a blue or he is red leading the blues in error by telling them to moderate their actions and not give info as quickly to town.
I EDITED THE POST 3 MINUTES AFTER I POSTED
REASON: BAD SPELLING. It's not like i went,, On second thought'' then edited 3 mins after because i wanted to say something else.
Now i have time, i'll deal with gcq and the others.
Right now, my goal is to have the best chance of lynching scum on day 1.PERIOD.
Day 1 is a jumble usually,you can not say who is scum and who isnt for sure.Need more info.
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I will not edit ANY further posts .Sorry TL mafia for my newbie mistake.
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kitaman27
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On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself.
Confirmed scum? Quite the conclusion hours into the game. It's hard to take you serious if you're pushing your lynch based on a joke post and a timing issue. Do you honestly believe he is pushing a Wiggles mislynch with his first post?
BC is a strong player, but only when he wants to be. Just take a look at his most recent town game. I think I'm more reliable and would be less likely to be the center of attention. He also already had an opportunity at an elected role with the GMarshal game. I don't like Meapak's comments on bum. I don't see how Insane Mafia 2 or Responsibility Mafia would make him a poor mayor choice. His biggest asset is that he is rarely thrown under suspicion as town, which is an important trait to have. I also dislike Meapak's lynch candidate as GGQ, based on two spam posts.
There already have been too many one-liners or spam. Can we at least try to pretend we are mindful of this?
Macpo's first post was rather lackluster. Hopefully he is more confident and less apologetic in the future.
KJ's bodyguards should claim plan is incredibly poor. So is Jackal's. Even if the scum team did subsititute all three bodyguards, they still have to worry about a electoral official being a vet, which would cost them 3 scum or that one of the bodyguards wasn't jailed, which would also cost them 3 scum.
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how on earth did you produce such a huge mess in such a short time.
starting to read through it now.
i need some more time to decide who i want to support
without reading the thread or anything i want wbg or palmar in an elected position.
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