EPTIt's an English team.
HyuN owed $23,000 in back pay and prize money by Quantic -…
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
It's an English team. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
Bull … Shit I won’t even try to comment on the legal implications here, as amazingly it seems every third person on TL is a lawyer. However morally they are responsible for this in just about every way possible. Their gross negligence has led to the one guy who single-handily carried their SC2 division been cheated out of a considerable sum of money. The guy THEY PUT IN CHARGE has done a Robert Maxwell, and they’re just claiming ignorance? I wasn’t even aware of the Massan thing until now but if that was not writing on the wall I don’t know what was. If I was Quantic’s sponsors I’d do everything possible to distance myself and wash my hands of them. This isn't a pitchfork rally, this is about calling out a company who have fucked up considerably and don't deserve to represent us anymore. On January 03 2014 01:06 JimSocks wrote: nobody in quantic knows this dudes address? While I seriously doubt Quantic are ‘harbouring’ him, are they honestly claiming they know nothing? Like a previous address, social security details, phone records, address/names/numbers of close friends or family members or anyone else who may know his whereabouts? There has to be SOMETHING. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On January 03 2014 01:28 Nekovivie wrote: The source of the money or the nationality of the owners means not a fucking thing. To use another sport as an example - Chelsea FC (English Football/Soccer) have a Russian owner who invests a lot of money into the workings of the team, but the team is still and English team, it's an English club based in England. It's an English team. Remember back in the day when everyone called them Chelski? The joke is a little redundant now as it seems the entire fucking premier league is owned by Russia and the UAE. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
Why are we arguing about this anyway? Also as far as the Zoda vs. TB argument, both sides being overly aggressive, but TB hasn't acted mature around TL for ages now, I get he's a big figure and important to the scene, but he gets by with some pretty sh*tty posting if you look back at his posting history. It is what it is though, I get why he'd be treated differently. I just hope HyuN's plight doesn't get lost in this sea of bickering :x | ||
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Usus
United Kingdom26 Posts
Hope Hyun will stick with SC2 and be enthused by how many people want to support him. He has one of the most interesting and innovative styles in ZvT which is always nice. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 03 2014 01:03 opterown wrote: Poll: Do you consider Axiom a Korean team? Yes (166) No (181) Sort of (43) 390 total votes Your vote: Do you consider Axiom a Korean team? eh, I don't think it's an unreasonable opinion to consider it a foreign team, and evidently many agree I guess if you redefine foreign as any team owned by a non-korea, sure. I guess the nationality of the players doesn't really matter, just where the money comes from. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On January 03 2014 01:38 ffadicted wrote: Axiom is not a Korean team lol Having a roster full of koreans does not just make a foreign team a korean team. Why are we arguing about this anyway? Axiom is not a foreign team lol Having a foreigner funding the team does not just make a Korean team a foreign team. Why are we arguing about this anyway? | ||
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
I want to be clear from the start though that I do not believe that Simon intended to deceive or scam anyone. He is young, and I really have no one to blame but myself for being in this situation. The last 4 companies that I have done work for have all been ran by very young people with lots of passion, but very little business experience. Simon never lacked passion... he was over-controlling and inexperienced. I jumped on board with Quantic in August and, at the time, I had full faith in the product and sustainability. A good team of passionate eSports people were already on board and Mark Ferezz (like him or not) still had a stake in the team and his direction for the team was solid. His experience and involvement was one of the main factors in my decision to jump on board. I was hired as the 'Marketing Director' and my job, as I understood it, was to continue to build the brand, organize the team of people helping, and push for more sponsorships. I felt that this was something that I could easily do. I was wrong. It is not that I lacked the understanding or the ability to do so, it was that I had almost zero support and even less direction. Do not get me wrong.. there was plenty of help from others on the team, but Simon had his own initiatives and these were rarely shared with me or others. Simon cared very much for Quantic and building a brand, but his inexperience in delegating, something I myself have had to learn to be better at, was a brick that broke Quantic. I have been in eSports a long time, longer than most and it pains me to continue to see these things happen. I am not a super star streamer, I am not a pro gamer and I am not young anymore. I work behind the scenes, run events and help where I can, but without the proper tools to be successful, it is very difficult to not be jaded in this industry. These issues pop up a lot more than many of you realize. People with lots of passion make moves in this industry to help it grow but many of them either are in it for themselves more or are too inexperienced to see it through to the end. I have been blessed, that I have been one of the few in the industry to have been paid a salary for my experience and skill set. I am thankful for that, but have become increasingly jaded by the actions of many in this industry. We have huge faults that continue to plague us and when they rear their ugly heads, many of us chant for change (for a short time) and then we move on because something shiny pops up and we all say... "Yay for ESports". This has to change. We must see the industry for what it is... a discombobulated hot mess. Anyway, I do not want to go into a diatribe. My experience with Quantic, overall, sucked. It has effected my marriage, my financial abilities, and my name. As an industry we must move forward (not 'on') and realize that issues like this will not change until we change the structure.. or as I have said for years.. create real 'structure'. I would like to be paid in full and will continue to reach out to Simon to make this happen. I would also like to see all of the players and others that are owed money be paid. Again, I do not believe Simon intended to scam anyone. Personally, I believe that he just gave up and ran out of funds. At this point, he may feel there is no reason to pay his outstanding debts. He has walked away from eSports. I do hope though, that when he comes forward (if he does) that he will pay his debts and that the 'hate' will stop. I would like to find solutions (my mantra) rather than continue hating on the situation. I realize that my own unselfishness has lead to many of my own losses, but I believe that as long as we continue to push forward, regardless of the losses, we will stabilize the industry and create a truly sustainable model. I am not sure if this clears up anything of if anyone will actually read it. Thank you, John Clark ESport Solutions, LLC | ||
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ndesktop
Romania109 Posts
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Rustug
1488 Posts
Mr. Clark you've been around this scene a very long time and you have my admiration & respect. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:37 ndesktop wrote: Nice post. So where's Hyun bucks? :D So did you read the post or what | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
People getting paid in time. The prophet John Clark  If the video bugs out, just click on the title link (as in all youtube vids) | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
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Oakenshield
United States347 Posts
On January 03 2014 02:43 ES_JohnClark wrote: Well.. I figure I should address this directly. I want to be clear from the start though that I do not believe that Simon intended to deceive or scam anyone. He is young, and I really have no one to blame but myself for being in this situation. I would also like to see all of the players and others that are owed money be paid. Again, I do not believe Simon intended to scam anyone. Personally, I believe that he just gave up and ran out of funds. At this point, he may feel there is no reason to pay his outstanding debts. He has walked away from eSports. I do hope though, that when he comes forward (if he does) that he will pay his debts and that the 'hate' will stop. I would like to find solutions (my mantra) rather than continue hating on the situation. I realize that my own unselfishness has lead to many of my own losses, but I believe that as long as we continue to push forward, regardless of the losses, we will stabilize the industry and create a truly sustainable model. John Clark ESport Solutions, LLC What a cult this guy has going. Either you are still being paid or you're unfit to work for any company. If you really believe that being young is a reason to accidentally bankrupt a company and not run it properly even before the theft finally becomes public (like not booking flights you promise people you booked a week ago) then everyone should hope to be young for a while longer, and hire someone like you so they can steal from them and then immediately be forgiven of wrong doing. If you are an adult like you say you are you know that stealing tens of thousands of dollars from people who may have needed it gravely is nothing you can morally or legally just walk away from because you don't feel like you owe anyone the things you stole from them. Luckily the community will not be as forgiving of theft as you and I would wager a guess that this guy has to work under the table cleaning bathrooms at a restaurant in some small town village off the radar once his current cash grab runs out. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
 makes you look pretty bad hahaa but we get your point and your right we shouldn't rationalize the situation this is a very greedy and gross immoral crime and I'm sure anyone reading this that met face to face with him would probably Sock him in the face and wish he jumped off of the empire state building and caught his eyelid on a nail we should be a little empathetic to those that are the victims | ||
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zelderan
United States163 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
What the hell? Another team screwing over their players? I thought Quantic was supposed to be one of the decent ones. Are people still hating on EG here? Cos last I checked paying all your players in full and on time is something they have always done, and so many teams fail to meet this minimum requirement. Makes all that hate for them look increasingly foolish considering all the scam artists and fraudsters ripping off players in other teams. What other scandals have happened in the last 3 months or so? I hope this is the only one. | ||
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