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On February 26 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:On February 26 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:On February 26 2013 06:07 zarepath wrote:I'm going to be mostly AFK for the rest of the Night so here are some reads/suspicions for the moment. HapaThe very first thing he does is claim town, which I really dislike. Proposes a policy. Suggests that all Cora wants to do is call Sylencia a dick... stoking the flames The 180 on iamp with not a lot of justification In the end he makes a fairly good defense (last post in his filter). The iamp 180 does look awful, but I can see the reasoning behind it. OatsSuper spastic. Tons of questions. The other game I've played with Oats, this is how he played Day 1 in order to get information/discussion flowing. I am pretty sure that is his tactic now. But if literally zero cases or reads come out of it, his behavior is going to look scummy in retrospect. KeirathiSomebody else who soft-claimed town immediately, a thing I hate. Supposedly caught up with the thread but hasn't made his presence known in any substantial way. He needs to have opinions or something. DienosoreI feel like he is the stuffed animal of this game of mafia. He is cute and friendly and makes sweet pictures and hard to hate, but when night strikes he turns into an Agent of Evil and creepily plots our demise. Okay, so not really. His picture is potentially helpful/useful, and I like his tone, but he has really gone out of his way to talk about how friendly he is, which strikes me a little bit of Stranger In An Unmarked Van syndrome. He opts to be the nice welcoming guy to Cora when everyone else is finding excuses to hate him, and it just makes my heart swell. Then in his defense of his defense of Cora, he mentions multiple times how friendly he is. Why is he so concerned with looking friendly? Town doesn't need to worry how they look, just what they accomplish. Note that he also went out of his way to express how he is NOT good at catching scum. Why would town advertise that? Don't they want their arguments to hold sway? I want to see more of his conclusions from his mapping; undoubtedly several occur to him while he does the research. AdamWhat does Adam think about people not named Dienosore? Hard to tell. SnarfsUnless Snarfs has been mafia a million times in a row, his first line was a super annoying soft-town-claim that is not justified, in my opinion. Now that he's caught up I wonder what his other thoughts are. SylenciaI mentioned this earlier, but Sylencia looks the scummiest right now of all of the players. Others have contributed less/none, but the few things Sylencia has popped in to post fall easily under the Scum Motivated category. He has more work to do to stop looking scummy than anybody else. Just check his filter and the case makes itself. iamperfectionHis player list comment (assuming town will have the good players for some reason) sounds awful but when looked at, I can understand how it's simply just saying that there are so many good players we're bound to have at least one as town. His logic fails to account for the fact that mafia will also have good players, so it's not like town will now have it easy  . He calls someone town REALLY early in the game, which something you can usually only do with confidence when you are scum. He calls Snarfs scummy also very early in the game, then tells other people to discuss it. I think this is kind of null, but worth bringing up because it was a unique read. He goes out of his way to answer for corazon, tell him who is scum. I don't know that I can see scum acting this... forwardly. He is unforgiving in his opinions and doesn't really bend at all to town, and he just has this weird vibe. I get a sense of unique thoughts coming from this man. He gives a bunch of town reads, which is apparently something he just does. This man is a Wild Card. I think I like him. (And I can also understand how someone would be certain that he's scum and then suddenly decide he's no longer scum.) this post is scummy as fuck at the top he says these are reads and suspicions but they aren't. 1. all he does is sum up what people did with no real conclusions 2. wishy washy as fuck( sums up several players actions..ie me hapa dino kier) but then has no conclusion on those players alignments one way or the other. This is scummy because hit is a good way to look like your contributing when you are in fact not 3. says stuff that doesn't make sense. ie hapa's 180 looks awful but he can see the reasoning behind it..... (then it is not awful) anybody agree with me here? After reading Zare's post again, I do think you have a point. I also think this post is full of ideas that have been said already. It really just looks like an unfocused list of his reads based on what others have said. If I may be so bold Iamp, would you like to reciprocate and give me some feedback on my suspicion towards Oats? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 06:17 cDgCorazon wrote:A few other things I would like to point out: Oats' play so far has been a bit shaky for me. I already pointed out the fact that he is being inconsistent towards Iamp and other players, but he hasn't made any clear effort to scumhunt. Most of his filter has been directing discussion and debates with others, but he hasn't brought in any clear direction with his posts. He has made several hints to him thinking players are scummy: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro is also somewhat scummy, cant really pin down what it is though :/ Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Welcome to scumland Zarepath, at least in my book :D
The points where he has shown doubt and suspicion on another player (and not their arguments) have been thrown out there, but he hasn't put anything behind them. The one time where he expanded on one of these points: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.
Acro's response basically explains how I feel about this: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:13 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.
This is completely contradictory. In LIX Marv didn't step up until later. He was town there. In this game, Marv has not stepped up in the first 4 (or so) hours of the game. Therefore Marv is scummy this game. This makes no sense to me. Oats, your reads so far make no sense. You scum throwing shitty cases around and trying to discredit strong players? The moment after Oats makes this illogical statement, he tries to get everyone to not think about it: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway its pointless to pursue this further on this point, I dont think its a very strong scumtell for marv, but it isnt a towntell. Which makes me suspicous.
Also hapa get in the game, thrawn and marv just beat you to the exact same point.
And when he gets challenged on the point, he tries to throw the discussion elsewhere: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thrawn I didnt say it wasnt a scumtell, I said it wasnt a strong scumtell.
Anyway stop discussing Marv, its getting nowhere.
Acro do you have any reads? He's trying to dodge the fact that he made an illogical argument. To me, that is a strong scum tell. He refuses to elaborate on why Marv playing like his town meta makes him scummy because he knows it is a bad argument. Why would scum try to avoid this? They need to make up arguments that are not true so that the town will not vote them off. Why would he make this silly argument in the first place if he wasn't scum? Why would he not own up to his mistake and take the blame for a bad argument and instead try to sidestep it? These are the questions I would love to see Oats answer.
oats hasnt bugged me at all i think he is town
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On February 26 2013 08:09 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 26 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:On February 26 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:On February 26 2013 06:07 zarepath wrote:I'm going to be mostly AFK for the rest of the Night so here are some reads/suspicions for the moment. HapaThe very first thing he does is claim town, which I really dislike. Proposes a policy. Suggests that all Cora wants to do is call Sylencia a dick... stoking the flames The 180 on iamp with not a lot of justification In the end he makes a fairly good defense (last post in his filter). The iamp 180 does look awful, but I can see the reasoning behind it. OatsSuper spastic. Tons of questions. The other game I've played with Oats, this is how he played Day 1 in order to get information/discussion flowing. I am pretty sure that is his tactic now. But if literally zero cases or reads come out of it, his behavior is going to look scummy in retrospect. KeirathiSomebody else who soft-claimed town immediately, a thing I hate. Supposedly caught up with the thread but hasn't made his presence known in any substantial way. He needs to have opinions or something. DienosoreI feel like he is the stuffed animal of this game of mafia. He is cute and friendly and makes sweet pictures and hard to hate, but when night strikes he turns into an Agent of Evil and creepily plots our demise. Okay, so not really. His picture is potentially helpful/useful, and I like his tone, but he has really gone out of his way to talk about how friendly he is, which strikes me a little bit of Stranger In An Unmarked Van syndrome. He opts to be the nice welcoming guy to Cora when everyone else is finding excuses to hate him, and it just makes my heart swell. Then in his defense of his defense of Cora, he mentions multiple times how friendly he is. Why is he so concerned with looking friendly? Town doesn't need to worry how they look, just what they accomplish. Note that he also went out of his way to express how he is NOT good at catching scum. Why would town advertise that? Don't they want their arguments to hold sway? I want to see more of his conclusions from his mapping; undoubtedly several occur to him while he does the research. AdamWhat does Adam think about people not named Dienosore? Hard to tell. SnarfsUnless Snarfs has been mafia a million times in a row, his first line was a super annoying soft-town-claim that is not justified, in my opinion. Now that he's caught up I wonder what his other thoughts are. SylenciaI mentioned this earlier, but Sylencia looks the scummiest right now of all of the players. Others have contributed less/none, but the few things Sylencia has popped in to post fall easily under the Scum Motivated category. He has more work to do to stop looking scummy than anybody else. Just check his filter and the case makes itself. iamperfectionHis player list comment (assuming town will have the good players for some reason) sounds awful but when looked at, I can understand how it's simply just saying that there are so many good players we're bound to have at least one as town. His logic fails to account for the fact that mafia will also have good players, so it's not like town will now have it easy . He calls someone town REALLY early in the game, which something you can usually only do with confidence when you are scum. He calls Snarfs scummy also very early in the game, then tells other people to discuss it. I think this is kind of null, but worth bringing up because it was a unique read. He goes out of his way to answer for corazon, tell him who is scum. I don't know that I can see scum acting this... forwardly. He is unforgiving in his opinions and doesn't really bend at all to town, and he just has this weird vibe. I get a sense of unique thoughts coming from this man. He gives a bunch of town reads, which is apparently something he just does. This man is a Wild Card. I think I like him. (And I can also understand how someone would be certain that he's scum and then suddenly decide he's no longer scum.) this post is scummy as fuck at the top he says these are reads and suspicions but they aren't. 1. all he does is sum up what people did with no real conclusions 2. wishy washy as fuck( sums up several players actions..ie me hapa dino kier) but then has no conclusion on those players alignments one way or the other. This is scummy because hit is a good way to look like your contributing when you are in fact not 3. says stuff that doesn't make sense. ie hapa's 180 looks awful but he can see the reasoning behind it..... (then it is not awful) anybody agree with me here? After reading Zare's post again, I do think you have a point. I also think this post is full of ideas that have been said already. It really just looks like an unfocused list of his reads based on what others have said. If I may be so bold Iamp, would you like to reciprocate and give me some feedback on my suspicion towards Oats? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 06:17 cDgCorazon wrote:A few other things I would like to point out: Oats' play so far has been a bit shaky for me. I already pointed out the fact that he is being inconsistent towards Iamp and other players, but he hasn't made any clear effort to scumhunt. Most of his filter has been directing discussion and debates with others, but he hasn't brought in any clear direction with his posts. He has made several hints to him thinking players are scummy: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro is also somewhat scummy, cant really pin down what it is though :/ Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Welcome to scumland Zarepath, at least in my book :D
The points where he has shown doubt and suspicion on another player (and not their arguments) have been thrown out there, but he hasn't put anything behind them. The one time where he expanded on one of these points: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.
Acro's response basically explains how I feel about this: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:13 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.
This is completely contradictory. In LIX Marv didn't step up until later. He was town there. In this game, Marv has not stepped up in the first 4 (or so) hours of the game. Therefore Marv is scummy this game. This makes no sense to me. Oats, your reads so far make no sense. You scum throwing shitty cases around and trying to discredit strong players? The moment after Oats makes this illogical statement, he tries to get everyone to not think about it: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway its pointless to pursue this further on this point, I dont think its a very strong scumtell for marv, but it isnt a towntell. Which makes me suspicous.
Also hapa get in the game, thrawn and marv just beat you to the exact same point.
And when he gets challenged on the point, he tries to throw the discussion elsewhere: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thrawn I didnt say it wasnt a scumtell, I said it wasnt a strong scumtell.
Anyway stop discussing Marv, its getting nowhere.
Acro do you have any reads? He's trying to dodge the fact that he made an illogical argument. To me, that is a strong scum tell. He refuses to elaborate on why Marv playing like his town meta makes him scummy because he knows it is a bad argument. Why would scum try to avoid this? They need to make up arguments that are not true so that the town will not vote them off. Why would he make this silly argument in the first place if he wasn't scum? Why would he not own up to his mistake and take the blame for a bad argument and instead try to sidestep it? These are the questions I would love to see Oats answer. oats hasnt bugged me at all i think he is town
So do you feel like my points are not scum tells? Or that they are not strong enough to sway you from your current read of Oats?
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a rare treat for you guys i had planned on doing this at the deadline but whatever my personal notes
Hapahauli- scummy just a bunh of policy stuff. thought question to marv about cor was wierd. complains about stuff hasnt given any real reads. just questioning my logic not doing anything else tunnels me like crazy and wont comment on anything else. backs off just like in mario mini. so much defense no scum huinting
Acrofales-meh opening. disagreed with me whatever. more meh just challenging logic not hunting scum. looked up my past games slight town meh made a bunch of reads that some i agree with seems alright null closer to town now
Oatsmaster- like his tone seems aggresive not afraid of anybody it seems
Alderan- who is he?
Keirathi-scummy made a useless post and ran away. still hasnt done shit
thrawn2112- attacked me. he aint stupid town
Dienosore worst opening post i have ever seen. so wishy washy and useless more recent posts seem ok more agression looks more intrested in the game leaning town now
zarepath- scummy as fuck. made a huge list posst that was scummy as fuck didnt explain what was scummy just sumed up shit
Adam4167- i dont know. seems somewhat active though
marvellosity- seems confident maybe town not shying away at all seems intrested. confused by yamtos actions somewhat town tell possibly trying to figure out yamato. called out cdg not afraid of calling out early. seems intrested in whats going on. somewhat confusing that he likes zarepth
Snarfs-scummy- excited that he rolled town.... but didnt do shit.
cDgCorazon-meh - came back with useless post pointing out diffrence but didnt say anything of alignment. wouldnt answer when asked for alignments.shits up the thread with useless crap with syl had a post where he said the vets where stupid and using meta wrong means he is probally town
Sylencia-meh slightly scummy- threw shit on cdg but said nothing of his alignment. shits up the thread with useless crap with cdg slight agresive tone though maybe town look closely
iamperfection-Innocent child
yamato77- town- not afriad of spot light
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On February 26 2013 08:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:09 iamperfection wrote:On February 26 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 26 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:On February 26 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:On February 26 2013 06:07 zarepath wrote:I'm going to be mostly AFK for the rest of the Night so here are some reads/suspicions for the moment. HapaThe very first thing he does is claim town, which I really dislike. Proposes a policy. Suggests that all Cora wants to do is call Sylencia a dick... stoking the flames The 180 on iamp with not a lot of justification In the end he makes a fairly good defense (last post in his filter). The iamp 180 does look awful, but I can see the reasoning behind it. OatsSuper spastic. Tons of questions. The other game I've played with Oats, this is how he played Day 1 in order to get information/discussion flowing. I am pretty sure that is his tactic now. But if literally zero cases or reads come out of it, his behavior is going to look scummy in retrospect. KeirathiSomebody else who soft-claimed town immediately, a thing I hate. Supposedly caught up with the thread but hasn't made his presence known in any substantial way. He needs to have opinions or something. DienosoreI feel like he is the stuffed animal of this game of mafia. He is cute and friendly and makes sweet pictures and hard to hate, but when night strikes he turns into an Agent of Evil and creepily plots our demise. Okay, so not really. His picture is potentially helpful/useful, and I like his tone, but he has really gone out of his way to talk about how friendly he is, which strikes me a little bit of Stranger In An Unmarked Van syndrome. He opts to be the nice welcoming guy to Cora when everyone else is finding excuses to hate him, and it just makes my heart swell. Then in his defense of his defense of Cora, he mentions multiple times how friendly he is. Why is he so concerned with looking friendly? Town doesn't need to worry how they look, just what they accomplish. Note that he also went out of his way to express how he is NOT good at catching scum. Why would town advertise that? Don't they want their arguments to hold sway? I want to see more of his conclusions from his mapping; undoubtedly several occur to him while he does the research. AdamWhat does Adam think about people not named Dienosore? Hard to tell. SnarfsUnless Snarfs has been mafia a million times in a row, his first line was a super annoying soft-town-claim that is not justified, in my opinion. Now that he's caught up I wonder what his other thoughts are. SylenciaI mentioned this earlier, but Sylencia looks the scummiest right now of all of the players. Others have contributed less/none, but the few things Sylencia has popped in to post fall easily under the Scum Motivated category. He has more work to do to stop looking scummy than anybody else. Just check his filter and the case makes itself. iamperfectionHis player list comment (assuming town will have the good players for some reason) sounds awful but when looked at, I can understand how it's simply just saying that there are so many good players we're bound to have at least one as town. His logic fails to account for the fact that mafia will also have good players, so it's not like town will now have it easy . He calls someone town REALLY early in the game, which something you can usually only do with confidence when you are scum. He calls Snarfs scummy also very early in the game, then tells other people to discuss it. I think this is kind of null, but worth bringing up because it was a unique read. He goes out of his way to answer for corazon, tell him who is scum. I don't know that I can see scum acting this... forwardly. He is unforgiving in his opinions and doesn't really bend at all to town, and he just has this weird vibe. I get a sense of unique thoughts coming from this man. He gives a bunch of town reads, which is apparently something he just does. This man is a Wild Card. I think I like him. (And I can also understand how someone would be certain that he's scum and then suddenly decide he's no longer scum.) this post is scummy as fuck at the top he says these are reads and suspicions but they aren't. 1. all he does is sum up what people did with no real conclusions 2. wishy washy as fuck( sums up several players actions..ie me hapa dino kier) but then has no conclusion on those players alignments one way or the other. This is scummy because hit is a good way to look like your contributing when you are in fact not 3. says stuff that doesn't make sense. ie hapa's 180 looks awful but he can see the reasoning behind it..... (then it is not awful) anybody agree with me here? After reading Zare's post again, I do think you have a point. I also think this post is full of ideas that have been said already. It really just looks like an unfocused list of his reads based on what others have said. If I may be so bold Iamp, would you like to reciprocate and give me some feedback on my suspicion towards Oats? + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 06:17 cDgCorazon wrote:A few other things I would like to point out: Oats' play so far has been a bit shaky for me. I already pointed out the fact that he is being inconsistent towards Iamp and other players, but he hasn't made any clear effort to scumhunt. Most of his filter has been directing discussion and debates with others, but he hasn't brought in any clear direction with his posts. He has made several hints to him thinking players are scummy: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro is also somewhat scummy, cant really pin down what it is though :/ Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Welcome to scumland Zarepath, at least in my book :D
The points where he has shown doubt and suspicion on another player (and not their arguments) have been thrown out there, but he hasn't put anything behind them. The one time where he expanded on one of these points: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.
Acro's response basically explains how I feel about this: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:13 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.
This is completely contradictory. In LIX Marv didn't step up until later. He was town there. In this game, Marv has not stepped up in the first 4 (or so) hours of the game. Therefore Marv is scummy this game. This makes no sense to me. Oats, your reads so far make no sense. You scum throwing shitty cases around and trying to discredit strong players? The moment after Oats makes this illogical statement, he tries to get everyone to not think about it: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway its pointless to pursue this further on this point, I dont think its a very strong scumtell for marv, but it isnt a towntell. Which makes me suspicous.
Also hapa get in the game, thrawn and marv just beat you to the exact same point.
And when he gets challenged on the point, he tries to throw the discussion elsewhere: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thrawn I didnt say it wasnt a scumtell, I said it wasnt a strong scumtell.
Anyway stop discussing Marv, its getting nowhere.
Acro do you have any reads? He's trying to dodge the fact that he made an illogical argument. To me, that is a strong scum tell. He refuses to elaborate on why Marv playing like his town meta makes him scummy because he knows it is a bad argument. Why would scum try to avoid this? They need to make up arguments that are not true so that the town will not vote them off. Why would he make this silly argument in the first place if he wasn't scum? Why would he not own up to his mistake and take the blame for a bad argument and instead try to sidestep it? These are the questions I would love to see Oats answer. oats hasnt bugged me at all i think he is town So do you feel like my points are not scum tells? Or that they are not strong enough to sway you from your current read of Oats?
im not a big scum slip guy i look more into mindset and contribution.
do they care about the lynch
are they trying to figure shit out
to me it looks like oats is trying to figure shit out
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back in a couple of hours
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On February 26 2013 08:06 Alderan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 07:58 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 07:44 Alderan wrote:On February 26 2013 06:19 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 26 2013 06:12 Alderan wrote:
Ok guys, I'm here. Thought I was getting back from vacation the night of the 24th but only getting back today due to some travel issues. Sorry for the inactivity, that shouldn't be an accurate representation of my play going forward. Having lurkers sucks so I'm going to try and get my ideas out about as many topics as quickly as possible, and if you have any specific questions for me let me know. Im in the library for the next our and a half or so, should be enough time to get something going.
Hello! Being a bit late to the party, there are things that we all might have missed in the heat of the moment. Is there anything that you have found from the pervious discussion that you want to point out or that you want to discuss more? If you had to have two people duel each other right now, who would it be and why? Ok so I made a post on my best read right now which is Dienosore. If I had to pick two I'd go with Snarfs. Reason being I think early in the game your best chance to lynch scum is identify the low hanging fruit, ie. those that embody both scummy play and "noob" play. My idea is a bit WIFOM'y but anytime I've been mafia it's never been the experienced player that gets targeted early, it's always the seemingly "newer" player who leaves some subtle clue. Experienced players seem to make it through the first day without attracting too much attention, and as such need more time to evaluate. Snarfs filter is tough because it's obviously limited (not that I have much room to talk) but the major issues are just the pure conjecture coming out + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 04:50 Snarfs wrote:
Also adding this so I don't forget later:
Right up until page 20 when a few more people showed up in the game, lots of talk was on Hapa but Corazon completely ignored that discussion and went after Oats, if I recall correctly. I'm a little rusty on how to interpret that, but it seemed noteworthy. halfheartedly probing questions with no follow-ups In hindsight, I shouldn't have posted that. I should have wrote it down in a notepad or something, but I was on my phone and felt like airing out an observation to the rest of town. For the record, Corazon is not even close to my top 5 after some honest consideration. As I've said repeatedly, it was just an observation. Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2013 03:59 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 03:27 yamato77 wrote:
If anyone duels me this game, expect to get destroyed.
If we all agree on someone to lynch, I'll duel them and make sure it goes through. Do you not agree that the two worst looking players should duel then? And then, there's whatever the hell this is. It's a question. Which he answered. And which 2 or 3 other people took up questioning him further on. At first I was taken aback by yamato's stance, thinking there's no way town could think that's a good idea, so I questioned him and watched as he responded to marv & co. Then I remembered that he just came off an impressive victory over scum and is extremely confident right now and things started adding up as to why he could be so cocky. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 05:35 Snarfs wrote:
Since marv and yamato seem pretty happy with you so far though, I'm not going to really push you on this one since it's not a big priority and would probably just derail things. As I said, just making a note of things. Reading through the thread in one sitting gave me the chance to see just how everyone's feelings have been progressing. Yamato and later Marv have been increasingly "suspected" as town, for better or for worse, and as such it seems that rather than getting in a pissing match with townies, Snarfs took the easy way out, the way that he thought would not garner that much attention. I decided it'd be pointless to continue questioning Corazon since he seems really town aside from that single observation. Again, it was probably a mistake to point it out in the thread. Show nested quote +But GAIZ!!111 He said he didn't want to "derail things". Let's think though, doesn't that sound similar to Dienosore's "muddy up the water" quote? Spoiler + Show Spoiler +Similar strategies, similar actions, and guess who haven't even mentioned each other yet this game..... I just mentioned him. He looks bad, but not as bad as hapa/keirathi and possibly thrawn. I do need to read more of thrawn again though. What do you see in Keirathi's filter that you don't see in Thrawn's?
Keirathi's filter is shorter and easier to pick things out of. He made it clear he was going to look at the thread and perform analysis, but then didn't when noone pushed him for it. I guess, like marv said though, he could just be away... just the fact that he took time to create that one kinda terrible post though... I dunno, I don't like it.
It was actually thrawn's swap between thinking iamp was scum then not scum then back to scum that I kinda thought was indecisive and towny... not well thought-out and planned like I'd expect from mafia.
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So my preferred duel right now is two of the Dieno/Snarfs/Thrawn.
A lot of people think Kei is scum, but I'm pretty firmly null on him. He played a hell of a scum-game in GSL I Mini, and I'm chalking his absence up to business rather than something sinister. The inactivity is unusual for his town OR scum games, and I can't draw any conclusions from it.
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On February 26 2013 02:20 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Well the problem I have with your current stuff zare, is that you just summarize stuff On February 26 2013 01:54 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, far scummier to me than either of these is Sylencia. While it's true our contributions are certainly in the same range right now, I wasn't here at all yesterday, while Sylencia was there right at the beginning and then disappeared. While he was there, all he did was stoke Cora's flames, speculate about a third party (because that's super helpful), and "interact" with Adam by mentioning some setup talk. It's true that others did a good amount of setup and policy talk at the beginning, but they went from there; Sylencia has disappeared and until he reappears, it looks very scummy to me in the face of what he DID contribute.
Why is any of this scummy? What scum motivation does sylencia has by doing all this? - stoke Cora's flames Cora's temper ruined the town environment for two mafia games in a row. Being aggressive towards him without reason is not pro-town. - speculate about a third party Setup speculation when we have zero flips is only speculation, and when the priority of town is to promote discussion of players and analyze reactions/interactions and get reads on individual players, speculating on setup is distracting and unproductive. It gives the appearance of contributing when it does not at all -- the goal of scum. - setup talk See above. - Leave People have lives and have to go do things. But he didn't say he was leaving, he was there for the beginning and bounced as discussion was becoming more substantial. I feel like you are just trying to poke at me to get me to talk more, not because you genuinely don't know the answers to your questions. It is pretty easy to see why I thought those actions were scummy, or how those actions in general can be scum-motivated.
1) You're probably right in that I shouldn't have been so aggressive/negative towards Cora so early on, and if I wanted to do so I could've done so elsewhere, I was just annoyed at the statement he had made at the time.
2) Point conceded there, though I was just pointing out the potential fault in the statement (maybe correcting the smallest of errors is the wrong thing to do)
3) Didn't realise I was expected to announce what I was doing and when I was leaving. If you want to know - had lunch, got swamped with work, got home and went straight to bed. If not announcing this is scummy play, I've been doing it wrong this entire time.
Cora: People said the exact same thing in the game we just played (regarding the lurking) and it's exactly the reason why I find metareads to be so inconsistent. Players can easily mask their play to look like they're playing the same way they played as town and people would be none the wiser and yet people still compare it. It's like people are expecting a player to be locked into one style of play and are expecting it to stick for eternity. In any case, I don't see how this metaread is accurate at all. Compare the way I have played in most of the games I've played. The one game I was scum I was probably the most active out of all of them.
As for reads, this is going to sound like a broken record to you by now, but tonight. If that's not good enough for you, I am perfectly willing to put myself up for the duel.
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Looks like in the middle of posting this, marv dies  gg marv
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Keir had time to pop in and say "hai gaiz, I'm town", then bugger off for 15 hours, say he was reading the thread, and ask a pointless question. The only motivation I can see for this behaviour is to say "dudes, I'm in the game and doing stuff", which is behaviour I associate with scums.
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[QagreeUOTE]On February 26 2013 08:28 Acrofales wrote:
Keir had time to pop in and say "hai gaiz, I'm town", then bugger off for 15 hours, say he was reading the thread, and ask a pointless question. The only motivation I can see for this behaviour is to say "dudes, I'm in the game and doing stuff", which is behaviour I associate with scums.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this post.
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On February 26 2013 08:28 Acrofales wrote:
Keir had time to pop in and say "hai gaiz, I'm town", then bugger off for 15 hours, say he was reading the thread, and ask a pointless question. The only motivation I can see for this behaviour is to say "dudes, I'm in the game and doing stuff", which is behaviour I associate with scums.
I can associate that with being busy as well.
Anywho, I don't want to defend Kei - he can speak in his own defense whenever he gets back from whatever he's up to.
So reading your "goodbye" post, we're on opposite sides of the fence on Dienosaur. What do you think of my comments on him, particularly his attitude towards Adam?
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On February 26 2013 08:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:28 Acrofales wrote:
Keir had time to pop in and say "hai gaiz, I'm town", then bugger off for 15 hours, say he was reading the thread, and ask a pointless question. The only motivation I can see for this behaviour is to say "dudes, I'm in the game and doing stuff", which is behaviour I associate with scums. I can associate that with being busy as well. Anywho, I don't want to defend Kei - he can speak in his own defense whenever he gets back from whatever he's up to. So reading your "goodbye" post, we're on opposite sides of the fence on Dienosaur. What do you think of my comments on him, particularly his attitude towards Adam?
You haven't bothered to explain yourself.
Honestly, I feel Dieno is way too easy a mislynch. Could he be scum for his rather erratic play? Sure, but I think he is playing to his town meta. I also think he is lynchbait and that makes me even more hesitant about lynching him.
I think the map seems similar to his maps in other games and am willing to give him some time to develop it. If he never steps up his play, then I will be harder on him. Given what I think of thrawn, sylencia, keir and yourself, a Dieno lynch would be really dumb today.
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On February 26 2013 08:46 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 08:34 Hapahauli wrote:On February 26 2013 08:28 Acrofales wrote:
Keir had time to pop in and say "hai gaiz, I'm town", then bugger off for 15 hours, say he was reading the thread, and ask a pointless question. The only motivation I can see for this behaviour is to say "dudes, I'm in the game and doing stuff", which is behaviour I associate with scums. I can associate that with being busy as well. Anywho, I don't want to defend Kei - he can speak in his own defense whenever he gets back from whatever he's up to. So reading your "goodbye" post, we're on opposite sides of the fence on Dienosaur. What do you think of my comments on him, particularly his attitude towards Adam? You haven't bothered to explain yourself. Honestly, I feel Dieno is way too easy a mislynch. Could he be scum for his rather erratic play? Sure, but I think he is playing to his town meta. I also think he is lynchbait and that makes me even more hesitant about lynching him. I think the map seems similar to his maps in other games and am willing to give him some time to develop it. If he never steps up his play, then I will be harder on him. Given what I think of thrawn, sylencia, keir and yourself, a Dieno lynch would be really dumb today.
I very much disagree that he's playing to his town play. He's far more lurky than I've seen him as town.
Also, explain myself how?
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@Syl: You played the same type of game in NMM 33,34 and NMM 37. Why are you complaining that we expect people to play the same exact style when you do so every single game?
In NMM 33, you won as town because your teammates did all of the work for you (plus I was the only active scum).
In NMM 34, you won as scum because you just stood back and watched the town tear each other apart.
In NMM 37, you were lynched for the same behavior and was one of the many reasons that the town lost.
Based off of the results of the following games, this is how I would expect your game to change:
If you rolled town:
You would try to play a bigger role in the town discussion to both help the efforts of the scum hunt and to avoid getting mislynched again. The best thing you can do as town is to look pro-town. Even if you weren't on the right track when it came to your reads, everyone would see that you are putting in effort to the scumhunt and that you are trying. In other words, you would try to change your meta.
If you rolled scum:
Since your meta is the same for each game, you could just point out that you played mostly the same as town in other games. You would sit to your same old strategy of sitting back and letting the town kill each other off, just like in NMM 34.
So far, the fact that your meta has not changed is pointing more towards the latter theory than the former, which does not spell good for my read on you. If you want to prove to everyone that you are town, you need to be trying to play a better town game, which you have not shown any effort to do so thus far.
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EBWOP: Lol I mixed up the colors on the town/scum point.
I'm so stupid.
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Why did you defend Snarfs?
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Cora, is your scum meta the same as your first game as town meta?
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On February 26 2013 08:52 Acrofales wrote:
Why did you defend Snarfs?
I originally thought his first post was enthusiastic, and I thought iamp was gunning for lynch-bait by attacking it.
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GG marv, hehe :D
At least now we can be sure that you arnt scum
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