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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 22 2012 22:02 GMT
#501
like, is that a troll or seriously this game just blew my mind twice in like 2 minutes.
Kville
Profile Joined May 2010
United States173 Posts
August 22 2012 22:02 GMT
#502
My input on shady:
If you read his filters from the start he does nothing but the old attack and demand with no feedback himself.

Examples
So you're basically saying everyone who is against random lynch gets to randomly vote for one person from people who are for random lynch?


While we're at it, how about a clear statement from you on lynching lurkers vs rando-voting vs whatever other idea you have... instead of fingering people for yoda-speak and rando-voting


He asks but never gives. Everything you respond to becomes his juice to attack a player. What are your input about the lurkers that are still yet to be? such as lvdr when this was posted

On August 22 2012 07:33 Lvdr wrote:
I support lynching lurkers.

Just as a tidbit, I've never been mafia on here, but I decided that if I was: I would accuse a random player in the manner of Shady D1.

All you gave was
This post doesn't smell right.


Then you attack and twist Obvious with this right after

This doesn't smell right either.


+ Show Spoiler +
]First you say:

Lurker lynches good backup

Then you say:

Easy lynches bad

Then you say:

Not good to do lurker lynches just yet.

Then you make a non-sequitur attempt at humor.

So basically if we shouldn't go for lurker lynches, and we shouldn't call out the guy who is obviously scummy, then what, exactly, should we be doing?



After he finally found a bandwagon becuase i was claimed to be a lurker he attacked me with this

## Vote: Kville

All aboard the midnight express... to hell.


+ Show Spoiler +
Note how Kville switches from this:

On August 22 2012 21:42 Kville wrote:
Lemmings will be lemmings and you just happend to be the one in front.

What i gathered is that you claim to 'sheep' and yet you yourself have done nothing else but provide one liners and start nothing but chaos.

If it makes you feel any better

#Vote marvellosity

to this:

On August 23 2012 01:02 Kville wrote:
Show nested quote +

The question of what i thought of talis and obvious?

Well i can't say much about talis but his posts do seem a little sketchy aslways as obvious. My top three suspects seem to be :
talis
obvious
shady

I'll post more about these three later when i get home from my classes.
Until then
##Unvote

In the span of 3 posts.

That's pretty wierd.

Marv goes from being a vote to being not even in his top 3. With no justification on any of his reads except a rain check.


He lurked me until the time came to attack when i made my statement.

He now knows that since i am at a corner he can keep piling the bandwagon and keep attacking until the lynch comes and he will find others to attack and go back to strike again.

Its not clean becuase i messed up on the tags but thats my take on shady.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
August 22 2012 22:02 GMT
#503
On August 23 2012 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Greetings town,

Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won.

PS: What are your methods to find scum?


This post contains nothing. Not a single scumread, not an opinion of what's going on, no observations about players...this is the same as not posting at all imo.



On August 23 2012 06:13 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 06:00 Lvdr wrote:
Also in a show of great irony I second VE's analysis of chez's post.

Scum hate making their own cases. It is much easier to get on board someone else's. Chez seems to be explicitly asking to do just this.


Agreed here. Chez doesn't make sense. Chez, can you stop trolling us and actually post a case?


If you guys are mafia...I'm GONNA FIND YOU!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 22 2012 22:03 GMT
#504
And before you say anything about it Chez, yes, I'm aware that the game hadn't started on Pg 2. <3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 22 2012 22:05 GMT
#505
On August 23 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 06:51 Lvdr wrote:
Take 3: Does VE have a history of successfully reading scum d1? aka What is the chance that Shady flips red based on Ve's read?


AH, the CRUX.

In asking if I have a history of "successfully reading scum D1", ven if I have 100% accuracy in the past, this is completely meaningless unless you are operating under the premise that I'm town and am READING Shady. It shows his true thoughts on me (that I'm town) hiding beneath his actions (his vote, the questions, the ruse) and betrays preexisting knowledge of my alignment.

Chez, you truly are inspirational.

##Unvote
##Vote Lvdr


I guess I'm being mildly retarded here, but I don't actually understand how this is a slip. VE can you please explain?
Что?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 22 2012 22:06 GMT
#506
He's wondering if I'm "reading you accurately" while voting me. He's SAYING he thinks I'm scum, but he slips my alignment in asking if I'm "reading you accurately"...which is something only town can do (scum don't read anyone, they know everyone's alignment).
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 22 2012 22:06 GMT
#507
On August 23 2012 07:00 Chezinu wrote:
PS: You guys were suppose to talk about my question when I was sane so that I could get some reads BUT NOOOOO you guys had to get me all paranoid so that I went Chezinu!! You just couldn't take it! You called my sane postins NOTHING and TROLLING!! I NEVER GET CALLED THAT WHEN I DOOOO TROLL!!!!! You unleashed a monster mafia!!!


reposting this:

I have read this like ten times now and it seems pretty clear that he is claiming mafia. Is this... I mean, what? Is this really a troll? I can't understand it from either alignment unless it's just a straight-up slip.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 22 2012 22:08 GMT
#508
On August 23 2012 07:00 Chezinu wrote:
PS: You guys were suppose to talk about my question when I was sane so that I could get some reads BUT NOOOOO you guys had to get me all paranoid so that I went Chezinu!! You just couldn't take it! You called my sane postins NOTHING and TROLLING!! I NEVER GET CALLED THAT WHEN I DOOOO TROLL!!!!! You unleashed a monster, mafia!!!


I read it like this. YMMV
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 22 2012 22:08 GMT
#509
On August 23 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's wondering if I'm "reading you accurately" while voting me. He's SAYING he thinks I'm scum, but he slips my alignment in asking if I'm "reading you accurately"...which is something only town can do (scum don't read anyone, they know everyone's alignment).


Ah, ok. In that case I'd be fine with a lynch on Lvdr, although I still stand by my read on KVille.
Что?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 22 2012 22:09 GMT
#510
The fact that he completely disappears while apparently "awaiting responses to his question" in light of all this is pretty damning too, tbh.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 22 2012 22:10 GMT
#511
On August 23 2012 07:06 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 07:00 Chezinu wrote:
PS: You guys were suppose to talk about my question when I was sane so that I could get some reads BUT NOOOOO you guys had to get me all paranoid so that I went Chezinu!! You just couldn't take it! You called my sane postins NOTHING and TROLLING!! I NEVER GET CALLED THAT WHEN I DOOOO TROLL!!!!! You unleashed a monster mafia!!!


reposting this:

I have read this like ten times now and it seems pretty clear that he is claiming mafia. Is this... I mean, what? Is this really a troll? I can't understand it from either alignment unless it's just a straight-up slip.


This better not be a bastard mafia game where Chez rolled Jester.
Что?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
August 22 2012 22:10 GMT
#512
On August 23 2012 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
And before you say anything about it Chez, yes, I'm aware that the game hadn't started on Pg 2. <3

....I thought I read that right...

I feel better now! Playing sane was just building up the inner chez in me and it just went boom!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 22 2012 22:10 GMT
#513
On August 23 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that he completely disappears while apparently "awaiting responses to his question" in light of all this is pretty damning too, tbh.


I'm flipping through his filter right now, to see if we can do any association scumtells.
Что?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 22 2012 22:13 GMT
#514
This is rapidly turning into mafia Arkham Asylum lol.

1. VE is a veteran player that is considered to be quite skilled as both town and mafia.
2. Shady is a new player that can be 'bad townie' (arousing suspicions as VT)
3. VE is quite suspicious of Shady
4. I find shady's behavior to be in line with his 'bad townie' tendencies

VE's behavior must be explained. Hence my questioning.

1. VE really thinks shady is scum, it is possible that he made a great read.
2. VE is applying pressure in order to refine his read.
3. VE is scum trying to start a bandwagon.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
August 22 2012 22:13 GMT
#515
On August 23 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 07:00 Chezinu wrote:
PS: You guys were suppose to talk about my question when I was sane so that I could get some reads BUT NOOOOO you guys had to get me all paranoid so that I went Chezinu!! You just couldn't take it! You called my sane postins NOTHING and TROLLING!! I NEVER GET CALLED THAT WHEN I DOOOO TROLL!!!!! You unleashed a monster, mafia!!!


I read it like this. YMMV


oh that does make sense too.

though if I were mafia and chez was town and decided to start troll-mode I think I'd be pretty happy but maybe chez just thinks really highly of his "methods"
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 22 2012 22:13 GMT
#516
On August 23 2012 07:10 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that he completely disappears while apparently "awaiting responses to his question" in light of all this is pretty damning too, tbh.


I'm flipping through his filter right now, to see if we can do any association scumtells.


You seem pretty certain of it to be checking the thread for all that - yet your vote remains on KVille. How ODD. And why haven't you been doing that with regard to KVille?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
August 22 2012 22:17 GMT
#517
On August 23 2012 06:44 Chezinu wrote:
Hey Mr. Perfect,

Tell us, what makes you the perfect mafia player?

i once found scum before he made a single post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 22 2012 22:18 GMT
#518
On August 23 2012 06:30 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 05:59 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 23 2012 05:23 talismania wrote:
dear lord what happened there.

I think I typed in the quote:


"continuing my trend of what? I never vote early D1. I'm not a fan of how my name keeps floating up for seemingly no reason."


FYI, what are your top scumreads at the moment? Anyone deserving of an FoS or vote?


kville for reasons stated. djasldkfhlskad because his first post didn't sit well with me. too overcomposed, nothiung like the kind of posts he made pre-game. he was also more engaged pre-game than in the game. but he's strange to read because his top suspect changes every few posts and I don't know why. for some reason I was his top suspect, but it was never explained why that was the case, even though he at least posted some about obvious when he FoS'd him.


Got it. Funny that you mention his pre-game behavior not matching up with in-game--didn't notice this on my first pass through his filter but definitely is apparent now. Oh well, further cements the scumread on him.

Lvdr looks really scummy right now.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 22 2012 22:22 GMT
#519
On August 23 2012 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 07:10 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 23 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that he completely disappears while apparently "awaiting responses to his question" in light of all this is pretty damning too, tbh.


I'm flipping through his filter right now, to see if we can do any association scumtells.


You seem pretty certain of it to be checking the thread for all that - yet your vote remains on KVille. How ODD. And why haven't you been doing that with regard to KVille?


I won't make a scumread vote on someone until after they've had a chance to defend themselves. Also, I have been doing association scumtells through KVille but he points fingers in so many different directions it's pretty hard to do so.
Что?
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
August 22 2012 22:26 GMT
#520
On KVille:

On August 23 2012 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah okay dats some scummy shit (Kvilles filter).

I need to think.

That was my view as well. But I couldn't decide if he's town or scum. Then this comes up.

On August 23 2012 05:24 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 05:13 Kville wrote:
Ok sorry,

Reason im not scum in order by my filter
-I was thrown under bus becuase i was supposed lurker
-Tried to counter the vote and suspected marv based on his recent one liners and random lynch on me
-All i tired to do was end the accusations on me
-Turned heads towards shady based on filters between VE and shady even more so since the recent ones came out.
-obvious filters seem out of ordinary as well same as marvs

Im not a scum just quick reaction responses becuase of the scenario and place i was at (school).

If anything im liking VEs choice and the way he is basing his decisions.


Thrown under the bus? Who threw you under the bus?

Your defense is:

--people are picking on me
--I tried to defend but I was at school/afk
--point fingers at shady, obvious, and marv (forgetting about the other lurker, talis? or are you not looking at lurkers anymore?)
--then saying "fuck it, im just gna sheep VE"

and finally a semi-slip by using the phrase thrown under the bus

This is either terribad town play or... terribad scum play. It's so off the scale, i'm not even sure how to read it

Be it town, be it scum. He's terribad at it, doing scum's job for them if he's townie, doing nothing but his job if he's scum. My vote currently stands on KVille.




On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Greetings town,

Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won.

PS: What are your methods to find scum?

Mine is to eliminate people who are doing scum's job for them scumbags. Then scumbags have to their jobs themselves, which will reveal them. Might be one of the worst plans though.




On August 23 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's wondering if I'm "reading you accurately" while voting me. He's SAYING he thinks I'm scum, but he slips my alignment in asking if I'm "reading you accurately"...which is something only town can do (scum don't read anyone, they know everyone's alignment).

Whoa... Nice, nice, how'bout that! Nice catch there. Lovedoc or Dr.Evil is now on the tops of my suspect list. Talis, trying to sheep on VE and generally posting pointlessly is high up there as well, then there is this Kville. This must not be that easy though, I'm losing my sharpness. Duh. I shall do something to bring it back.

Dear Chezinu:

Whatever you did to VE, I want that too. I'm losing my sharpness and I don't know why. Please help me bring it back. PLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZPLZ.

Thanks in advance.
P.S: PLZ HELP ME.

I'm really losing my sharpness though. I need to get refreshed.
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