EPTVoteCount as of Now is:
Toad: 1
ST: 1
ET: 1
Johnnywup: 2
Risen: 1
Janaan: 2
Tunkeg: 2
4F: 3
Toad: 1
ST: 1
ET: 1
Johnnywup: 2
Risen: 1
Janaan: 2
Tunkeg: 2
4F: 3
I'm not too convinced on any of the above. Since the guy with the most votes above only has 3 votes we can easily get majority on anyone if we are active. (Seriously we need to decide as a town who is the best lynch and get the votes going) Too many people are just sliding under the radar. Im going to talk about a few new people for now that have given me scummy vibes:
MichaelThe:
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He has said nothing all game. His basis for not scum hunting is that scum hunting is useless day one, why is he trying to down the activity and discredit day 1 posts just because they are happening on day 1? He tunnels 4Face the whole day without really giving a reason too. (Everyone knows FourFace is annoying, move on) Not only has he not said anything in his posts, he has been taking what seems to be the easy way out. As well as avoiding pressure, he repeats the same old sentences reworded many times, it seems like hes just trying to keep himself off that "lurker" list. He also critizes and votes 4Face for having unclear posts, riddled with sarcasm while his do just the same. Lets look at the filter:
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On April 09 2012 03:06 michaelthe wrote:
Scummiest of all so far: GMarshal. What type of goobag Eastern Orthodox bullcrap is this, starting a game on the REAL Easter date!
For serious though, this may make killing lurkers on day1 retarded. It is an actual holiday....
2cents on the bullcrap so far:
Risen/ET: Agree with the sentiment of many that this was just two monkeys needlessly flinging poo.
Tunkeg's list: By your list I am a top 9 player with 1 win as scum in a noob game. Clearly this list is 100% accurate, I'm pretty good at this game. As one of the stronger players, I feel a need on this Easter holiday to help crap players like jackal. Jakal: I will act as your guide this game, all you need to do is embrace me as your mentor, guide, guru, and sensei.
FourFace:
1. You posted you wanted to try a kidney/bladder strategy this game before the game even started.
2. You claimed town and a desire to be less active, but said you would continue to test your strategy.
3. You added to the strategy by creating an alter-ego, which serves simply to confuse the f*** outa the town.
Good news!!! I have early results!
Your strategy is crap.
##vote FourFace
Scummiest of all so far: GMarshal. What type of goobag Eastern Orthodox bullcrap is this, starting a game on the REAL Easter date!
For serious though, this may make killing lurkers on day1 retarded. It is an actual holiday....
2cents on the bullcrap so far:
Risen/ET: Agree with the sentiment of many that this was just two monkeys needlessly flinging poo.
Tunkeg's list: By your list I am a top 9 player with 1 win as scum in a noob game. Clearly this list is 100% accurate, I'm pretty good at this game. As one of the stronger players, I feel a need on this Easter holiday to help crap players like jackal. Jakal: I will act as your guide this game, all you need to do is embrace me as your mentor, guide, guru, and sensei.
FourFace:
1. You posted you wanted to try a kidney/bladder strategy this game before the game even started.
2. You claimed town and a desire to be less active, but said you would continue to test your strategy.
3. You added to the strategy by creating an alter-ego, which serves simply to confuse the f*** outa the town.
Good news!!! I have early results!
Your strategy is crap.
##vote FourFace
I will help you out by bolding repeats and italsizing sarcasm/inconciseness. Mention number one of Tunkegs list and how its bad. Does not mention killing FourFace for being scum, only because he is bad. Never once states he actually thinks he is scum yet leaves a vote on?
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Avoiding pressure, inconciseness, not reading, or possible scum slip. You pick. This is the only time he is pressured, and answers with one word. Not only that but it says your vote is a scum vote. He only answers Yes. Yes it is a scum vote, oh michael your making this too easy.
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On April 09 2012 03:28 michaelthe wrote:
and ebwop:
Two Options:
1. He is scum. I havent seen any great reads so far, so I'd say chances of this are 6/30, 20%.
2. He is town testing a stupid strategy. Even if scum or town, chances of it being a stupid strategy: 100%
so we have 120% chance that this is a good lynch.
and ebwop:
Two Options:
1. He is scum. I havent seen any great reads so far, so I'd say chances of this are 6/30, 20%.
2. He is town testing a stupid strategy. Even if scum or town, chances of it being a stupid strategy: 100%
so we have 120% chance that this is a good lynch.
This whole post is sarcastic. And goes on the same reasoning why everyone is on Tunkegs ass. Using "statistics" to prove a point. Not only that it's just in a sarcastic matter that doesn't help what he is trying to say at all. Still doesn't mention that he thinks he is scum, only thinks he has a good chance of being scum as any (6/30).
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On April 09 2012 07:59 michaelthe wrote:
/\ /\ lawl, ninja'd the same minute by a post asking you to contribute.
Tunkeg- your list really is crap. It's not actual hard analysis, you subjectively add values as to what to value. I tried to point that out when I jokingly noted I was in the top 9 with only 1 game as a win as scum in a noob game. You SUBJECTIVELY decided to not take a lot of things into account, how to score certain things, etc.
Perhaps more importantly, if the goal is to scum hunt on day 1, your list will never actually indicate alignment, as someone on this page pointed out.
lynch target:
I honestly think that most day 1 tells are crap- maybe I should check some of the previous games similar to this and see if that holds true or not.
Are people saying they just bracket out fourface since he intentionally posts confusingly? Is this par for the course? Why wouldnt we day 1 lynch him, unless we can reasonably expect to hit a scum on day 1, which I doubt.
/\ /\ lawl, ninja'd the same minute by a post asking you to contribute.
Tunkeg- your list really is crap. It's not actual hard analysis, you subjectively add values as to what to value. I tried to point that out when I jokingly noted I was in the top 9 with only 1 game as a win as scum in a noob game. You SUBJECTIVELY decided to not take a lot of things into account, how to score certain things, etc.
Perhaps more importantly, if the goal is to scum hunt on day 1, your list will never actually indicate alignment, as someone on this page pointed out.
lynch target:
I honestly think that most day 1 tells are crap- maybe I should check some of the previous games similar to this and see if that holds true or not.
Are people saying they just bracket out fourface since he intentionally posts confusingly? Is this par for the course? Why wouldnt we day 1 lynch him, unless we can reasonably expect to hit a scum on day 1, which I doubt.
Continues to discredit any day 1 scum hunting and continues to tunnel FourFace/Tunkeg. The easy lynches. Repeats his thoughts about Tunkegs list except in a non sarcastic matter. Posting for the sake of posting, not for helping. Just to say I am not a lurker guys.
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On April 09 2012 12:20 michaelthe wrote:
Your break down of Janaan's post pretty much consisted of the fact that it didnt have hard content, had too much fluff, and his suspicion of Sl0osh was indirect and weak. And then you said he defended himself... as he would... regardless...
I think most day 1 analysis posts are a bit forced to try and stimulate discussion. That's fine, but I don't think that you have sufficient evidence based on his 2 posts to convince me he is scum.
I tried to look back at the past few 30player games to see the results of day1 lynch. Of the few I looked at, the majority were vanilla townies, followed by special's (1 miller and 1 DT i think), and only like 1 scum. It seems to me like the town sucks at scumhunting off day 1 content.
For that reason, I'm leaving my vote on 4face. I'd rather kill something annoying than someone who is not annoying and probable town anyways.
Your break down of Janaan's post pretty much consisted of the fact that it didnt have hard content, had too much fluff, and his suspicion of Sl0osh was indirect and weak. And then you said he defended himself... as he would... regardless...
I think most day 1 analysis posts are a bit forced to try and stimulate discussion. That's fine, but I don't think that you have sufficient evidence based on his 2 posts to convince me he is scum.
I tried to look back at the past few 30player games to see the results of day1 lynch. Of the few I looked at, the majority were vanilla townies, followed by special's (1 miller and 1 DT i think), and only like 1 scum. It seems to me like the town sucks at scumhunting off day 1 content.
For that reason, I'm leaving my vote on 4face. I'd rather kill something annoying than someone who is not annoying and probable town anyways.
Repeats how day 1 scum-hunting is impossible. Discredits a case on Janaan in two lines without making his own scum hunting case. Leaves his vote on FourFace and still never mentions him thinking hes scum. He actually mentions he thinks hes probably town, and is okay with killing him because hes annoying. You know whats more annoying michael? Repeating yourself and not giving thought out opinions on anything, discrediting every move the town makes, and sticking to the easy lynches. You are scum through and through.
Zealos:
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Targets Kenpachi but is actually the player most similar to him. His filler is filled with one liners, and though most of it states a quick opinion on a topic he never seems to give his own opinion on players or actively scum hunt. Just seems like a commenter of activities trying to get by. Check out his filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046&user=230739
Votes for JohnnyWup only for the reasoning of bandwagoning on ET (pretty good reason though)
Would like to hear more from him/have him make his own opinions on players rather than just comment on everything in one sentence.
Votes for JohnnyWup only for the reasoning of bandwagoning on ET (pretty good reason though)
Would like to hear more from him/have him make his own opinions on players rather than just comment on everything in one sentence.
Artanis[XP]:
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Only has the opening post. If you check out his filter from SNMM IX he was very very active day 1, and basically was a leader in trying to scum hunt. This game hes just lurking in the shadows. Maybe hes busy sure, but Im not going to let him slide by un-noticed and just drop a vote today and leave. Want to hear from him. SNMM IX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322222
There are still a couple inactives, trout and lyter. But they will get dealt with. Also a vast amount of lurkers, other than the two I mentioned.
My thoughts on the current most popular votes:
1. Tunkeg: I already posted my thoughts on him but will re-iterate right quick. His list was scummy, his actions towards BH were scummy. Basically agree completely with ET's discussion on him.
2. Janaan: I think a case basing around one opening post is not the best at the moment. I do think the opening post was semi-scummy, espeically the cop out of "I am a newb dont mind me" play. Gonzaw is tunnelling him way too hard imo and it is getting distracting to looking for other people to analyze. I would agree that his meta is completely different then his other town games, and seems less concerned about the towns well being in his tone.
3.Sputnik theory: Honestly just think they are both noobing it up. But not a reason to dismiss scummyness though. Has shown he is not able to defend himself and replies to pressure with questions and agressiveness.
For now based on my case above I'm throwing down my vote on MichaelThe.
##Vote: MichaelThe
