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Gogo Flash!!! Can't wait to see him playing!
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On May 01 2012 20:00 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 19:09 Supah wrote:On May 01 2012 18:26 sluggaslamoo wrote:On May 01 2012 18:25 jspark703 wrote:On May 01 2012 18:08 sluggaslamoo wrote:On May 01 2012 17:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
If any one of the current bw pros is too raise the skill level for Starcraft 2 it will be Flash, learning the basic mechanics,units,unit structures etc should get him to masters easily, once he learns the builds he should become top level and once the builds become refined well it'll be pretty nuts but the only way he's going to become dominate at Starcraft 2 is if he practices which he supposedly is doing if he isn't tired out from his bw career and actually switches to full time Starcraft 2 it'll be exciting :D In the coach's interview, apparently Flash got to masters without knowing what the units did, and he was playing in hospital with one arm because of his surgery. any source? - Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did' http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330806 In other words, Marines and Siege to Masters? rehabilititation does not mean he only used 1 arm...it's the opposite. you use the arm to rehabilitate..
obviously he didnt mean that literally....
he was rehabilitating from a fist surgery, which means that his mechanics were heavily handicapped.
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On May 02 2012 03:12 Holgerius wrote:
''Flash reached Masters without knowing what the units did, while playing with one hand''
I love how people are saying that seriously now. XD What a legend he is.
Yeah it's funny, some people actually took his coach's boasts for real  Hope they won't be too disappointed...
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On May 01 2012 19:09 Supah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:26 sluggaslamoo wrote:On May 01 2012 18:25 jspark703 wrote:On May 01 2012 18:08 sluggaslamoo wrote:On May 01 2012 17:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
If any one of the current bw pros is too raise the skill level for Starcraft 2 it will be Flash, learning the basic mechanics,units,unit structures etc should get him to masters easily, once he learns the builds he should become top level and once the builds become refined well it'll be pretty nuts but the only way he's going to become dominate at Starcraft 2 is if he practices which he supposedly is doing if he isn't tired out from his bw career and actually switches to full time Starcraft 2 it'll be exciting :D In the coach's interview, apparently Flash got to masters without knowing what the units did, and he was playing in hospital with one arm because of his surgery. any source? - Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did' http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330806 In other words, Marines and Siege to Masters?
I don't know. If after 3 games vs Zerg, he doesn't know what baneling do when it hit him, or Collosus do when it kill the !!!@# of his mech TvP, he's more like an idiot to me. Even my 6 year old cousin knows what baneling can do after 1 game vs Zerg.
Or, the coach just boasted about it. Don't take it serious.
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So much hype for Flash. Now he can only not disappoint by winning everything.
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I am so pumped... man.. flash is going to be an unstoppable force in SC2.
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Look out for Flash...
Next...
Season.
:ŌOOOO
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On May 01 2012 17:31 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 17:13 Zooper31 wrote:On May 01 2012 17:12 HellionDrop wrote:On May 01 2012 17:06 Zooper31 wrote:On May 01 2012 16:52 poorcloud wrote:On May 01 2012 16:43 sluggaslamoo wrote:On May 01 2012 16:17 RaiKageRyu wrote:On May 01 2012 16:08 Angra wrote:On April 30 2012 12:24 Zrana wrote:
But what about THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM guys???
man i hope he does mediocre at best just to prove that thread wrong If he does mediocre at best then I'm gonna be really sad for the future of SC2 because it just shows that there's a very low skill ceiling. No, that just means he can't adapt into a new game. If he does well immediately on the other hand... that will prove SC2 has a lower skill ceiling. If it makes any more sense, its not that Flash does badly, its the fact that no one can end up dominating. Which means that no matter how hard you practise you are just gonna be trading wins with each other. Its kinda like the top levels of poker where players are so good that if it wasn't for billionaires feeding them, money would just be going around in a circle. The differences only accumulate over a very long period of time. Its not like you get a Poker player who just crushes every tournament like in BW. The best poker players will sign up for 7 tournaments, and might make 1 final table. A similar thing might end up happening in SC2. Flash in his peak only slept 3 hours a day, and his achievements are due to his strategic playstyle as his multitask is not as good as a lot of other players. Now you could imagine compared to MVP who practised a lot less and has better multitask than Flash, in a game where gamesense and timing are much more rewarded (Flash's defining factor in his play), can only beat MVP 55% of the time, instead of 80% like in BW a lot has to be said about the game. You can't say MVP tries harder in SC2 now, that doesn't make any sense either, I'm sure he tried his hardest in BW too. I'm not sure about the skills of flash since i didn't really follow BW. But MVP has better multitask than Flash? Honest question here. MVP was a low rated scrub compared to Flash. MVP never saw play time on TV and he mostly lost his matches. MVP to Flash is what your grandpa is to MVP at playing SC2. my grandpa is way worse than me at sc2, and you didn't address to his question at all I editted my original post the second I wrote it to include actual info. But yes I did answer his question of asking who was better. To can't even begin to comprehend to imagine a serious question of asking who is better. On May 01 2012 17:13 naux wrote:On May 01 2012 17:06 Zooper31 wrote:On May 01 2012 16:52 poorcloud wrote:On May 01 2012 16:43 sluggaslamoo wrote:On May 01 2012 16:17 RaiKageRyu wrote:On May 01 2012 16:08 Angra wrote:On April 30 2012 12:24 Zrana wrote:
But what about THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM guys???
man i hope he does mediocre at best just to prove that thread wrong If he does mediocre at best then I'm gonna be really sad for the future of SC2 because it just shows that there's a very low skill ceiling. No, that just means he can't adapt into a new game. If he does well immediately on the other hand... that will prove SC2 has a lower skill ceiling. If it makes any more sense, its not that Flash does badly, its the fact that no one can end up dominating. Which means that no matter how hard you practise you are just gonna be trading wins with each other. Its kinda like the top levels of poker where players are so good that if it wasn't for billionaires feeding them, money would just be going around in a circle. The differences only accumulate over a very long period of time. Its not like you get a Poker player who just crushes every tournament like in BW. The best poker players will sign up for 7 tournaments, and might make 1 final table. A similar thing might end up happening in SC2. Flash in his peak only slept 3 hours a day, and his achievements are due to his strategic playstyle as his multitask is not as good as a lot of other players. Now you could imagine compared to MVP who practised a lot less and has better multitask than Flash, in a game where gamesense and timing are much more rewarded (Flash's defining factor in his play), can only beat MVP 55% of the time, instead of 80% like in BW a lot has to be said about the game. You can't say MVP tries harder in SC2 now, that doesn't make any sense either, I'm sure he tried his hardest in BW too. I'm not sure about the skills of flash since i didn't really follow BW. But MVP has better multitask than Flash? Honest question here. MVP was a low rated scrub compared to Flash. MVP never saw play time on TV and he mostly lost his matches. MVP to Flash is what your grandpa is to MVP at playing SC2. i dont think u know what you are talking about. MVP was starting out then switch games when he was breaking out understand why he didnt get any TV time? and mostly lost his matches? how can he lose matches if he didnt get any play time on tv? realize most of these posters are jumping on SC:BW players bandwagon a little bit to early Starting to break out? Granted he only played for about 2 years before making the switch, he lost 7/9 of his last matches. You could say he was in a slump when he quit and was getting worse. i could honestly say you never watched any MVPs' games in BW and just making accusations on just stats alone since thats your only argument. i am not saying MVP > Flash in bw since we are all hearing the hype from all the BW/SC2 pros and also BW posters who were here long ago but i am saying, i never understood somebody insulting another professional player by calling them a scrub when a poster isnt even close in skill is a joke
It's been literally 3years since I last saw MVP play BW and I can truthfully say I don't remember how his play was like. But I do have stats that backup what I been saying and thats all I need. People insult pros all the time based on what the optimal way to play would be, theres a set standard to compare them to that they should be rated against. If anything Flash is that standard everyone aims to be, and if that person is so low in the "ladder" of BW players at the time he was struggling to even be considered good I don't see how anyone cannot say he was bad at the time.
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Yay, cant wait to see him in action playing SC2.
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On May 02 2012 03:12 Holgerius wrote:
''Flash reached Masters without knowing what the units did, while playing with one hand''
I love how people are saying that seriously now. XD What a legend he is.
reminds me of "i can beat them 1v8 with no monitor" classic Tasteless
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When Flash starts playing SC2 for real he's going to break the game. This is the true elephant in the room.
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i wonder what the fans will think if Flash does enter the pro SC2 scene but picks Zerg or Protoss as his race.
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All this hype for Flash reminds me of Yellow. Yeah...he didnt do well at all. Also the same for fOrGG, he isn't doing amazing atm and people thought he was the best player because he won a few code A matches.
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The reason I feel flash will dominate SC2 is because of his prime decision making, crisp builds, secrecy, and the fact that he will be practicing with players that have unbelievable multitasking, decision making, and an understanding of the fundamentals of what it takes to be a top teir player. I won't take anything away from the SC2 players at all as they have an equal chance of taking games off these pro. However, I feel with the preparation and training that the bw progamers will be receiving to transition to SC2 will out perform any other team/player out there. Specifically, due to the number of coaches (bw teams have one coach per race) and the fact that they have a ton of experience with creating strategies, breaking strategies, creating specific timing attacks per situation, and player analysis.
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On May 02 2012 12:47 Blardy wrote:
All this hype for Flash reminds me of Yellow. Yeah...he didnt do well at all. Also the same for fOrGG, he isn't doing amazing atm and people thought he was the best player because he won a few code A matches.
These players also didn't have S-Class or A-Class Ex Bw players to practice with. Their forced to train with players who weren't really anything special in Brood War.
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Might as well link Flash's mini-speech from the GOM/Blizzard/KeSPA/OGN meeting:
"I thank you all for inviting me to this event. I have practiced alot of SC2 due to it being included in the new season, and had much difficulty learning different things from SC1. I hope to come back to the new season with good quality games. I also wish for the global fans to give support to us SC1 players so we can bring our best games."
http://esfiworld.com/news/live-updates-starcraft-2-e-sports-vision-press-conference
Rather generic PR fluff, but hey, it's from the man himself.
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On May 02 2012 12:47 Blardy wrote:
All this hype for Flash reminds me of Yellow. Yeah...he didnt do well at all. Also the same for fOrGG, he isn't doing amazing atm and people thought he was the best player because he won a few code A matches.
Your post ignore so many facts that I can't list here because it would take too long...
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On May 02 2012 12:47 Blardy wrote:
All this hype for Flash reminds me of Yellow. Yeah...he didnt do well at all. Also the same for fOrGG, he isn't doing amazing atm and people thought he was the best player because he won a few code A matches.
Yellow, Forgg, and Flash in the same sentence relating to hype. This does not compute. Wtf.
The hype for Yellow was nostalgia hype. The hype for Forgg was "Former A-Teamer" hype. The hype for Flash is "Highest SC Skill of All Time" Hype. I hope you realize there's a difference.
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On May 02 2012 13:34 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 12:47 Blardy wrote:
All this hype for Flash reminds me of Yellow. Yeah...he didnt do well at all. Also the same for fOrGG, he isn't doing amazing atm and people thought he was the best player because he won a few code A matches. Yellow, Forgg, and Flash in the same sentence relating to hype. This does not compute. Wtf. The hype for Yellow was nostalgia hype. The hype for Forgg was "Former A-Teamer" hype. The hype for Flash is "Highest SC Skill of All Time who is performing today AND will perform many more years" Hype. I hope you realize there's a difference.
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From Reach retirement ceremony:
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