Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II - Page 25

On March 06 2012 11:57 Probulous wrote:
Waiting for a typical TL last minute vote switch that leads to a medic outing themselves and a no-lynch. This game has been pretty boring. Half the time I end up talking to myself.

On March 06 2012 00:12 Bluelightz wrote:
Alright, I'm voting sandroba, I believe his scum because he is useless and has not provided good content, his hit claim is interesting though.
##Vote: sandroba

On March 06 2012 09:22 Paperscraps wrote:
Hmmmm, my gut tells me that Sandroba is vet, but logic dictates that Sandroba is mafia/SK. This bandwagon on Sandroba went up pretty darn fast. But, alas Sandroba hasn't taken his vote off of AKCT and not putting up a fight at all. This lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right. I feel if I change my vote though, people will think that scummy. Only one person died last night. Something doesn't fit here. Going to change my vote anyways. Back to my "tunnel" on Deconduo, who has been coasting.
##Unvote
##Vote: Deconduo
Inb4 people say I am scum trying to make myself look townie "if" Sandroba flips vet.

On March 06 2012 12:06 Adam4167 wrote:
Town Adam does as he pleases, regadless of what people think of him.

Town Adam is also developing a habit of defending mafia. Really need to work on that.

On March 06 2012 15:01 Probulous wrote:
Urrgh this thread is dead. I'm going to laugh if I die overnight cause this thread will turn into a ghost town. Come on guys post your thoughts, move this thread along. There is plenty to analyse but no-one is here. I'm heading home now and might log on later.

On March 06 2012 12:34 Jackal58 wrote:

As it should be.

I knew GMarshall. You sir are no GMarshall.

On March 02 2012 02:09 Paperscraps wrote:
Probulous is town
Palmar is null
rg is town

deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far

Vote: deconduo

On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote:
Question do we know how many scum there are in the game?

My scum reads so far.
Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum
Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all.

##Vote: Deconduo

I messed up the format last time.

Also Bluelightz has voted me which is hilarious.

Jackal, it isn't OMGUS when I voted him first, which I have stated my reasons for doing so. If anything Decon has OMGUS on me right now.

On March 03 2012 18:02 Paperscraps wrote:
rg who are you shooting tonight?

On March 04 2012 07:07 Paperscraps wrote:
A)Three people voted Misder: Deconduo, AKCT and Jackal. They all give me a scum vibe, but I can't believe that scum would vote together like that on the first day. At least one of them has to be scum though or they are all just bad at this game.

B)Deconduo's little back and forth with Palmar today was interesting. Deconduo calling Palmar bad at scum hunting is pretty funny imo. Deconduo blamed Palmar for Misder's death, but Decon was the one with the vote on Misder. Pretty contradictory. Palmar is still null to me right now although Palmar's read on Misder was correct and Decon's read was wrong, as I have said in previous posts. I am still leaning towards Decon being scum. He is redirecting blame on to others when he should accept responsibility.

C)Jackal has posted no substance at all. His reaction to the Misder lynch was over done. He has buddied/defended Decon which I find scummy. @Jackal: I would like to see some actual scum hunting come from you. Anything at all really, that isn't filler

D)A Killer Cuppa Tea uses being drunk as an excuse for pretty much everything. Also AKCT thought Probulous was mafia which is a pretty bad read. Right now I think AKCT is just a ignorant townie.

E)Sandroba will by far be the easy lynch tomorrow and maybe rightly so. Posts one line content and filler. I don't agree with Sandroba's read on TheToast as of now. TheToast is null to me at the moment. I feel as though Sandroba might be too easy of a lynch. If Sandroba is mafia, then why lurk and post crap and be sure to get lynched. Does Sandroba just not care about the game? Maybe just a bored vanilla townie?

On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote:
Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit.

On March 05 2012 17:35 Paperscraps wrote:
Deconduo, TheToast, and Jackal are all better lynches. I don't know if we should lynch Sandroba yet, due to the hit claim. Sandroba is on ice though and needs to start contributing as do a lot of other players.

On March 06 2012 05:02 Paperscraps wrote:


If you aren't even going to try, then you are going to get lynched.

##Unvote

##Vote Sandroba

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Side note: TheToast is scum.

On March 06 2012 05:27 Paperscraps wrote:
Slinging unsupported accusations is what I do! Have you been playing this game?

On March 06 2012 09:22 Paperscraps wrote:
Hmmmm, my gut tells me that Sandroba is vet, but logic dictates that Sandroba is mafia/SK. This bandwagon on Sandroba went up pretty darn fast. But, alas Sandroba hasn't taken his vote off of AKCT and not putting up a fight at all.

This lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right. I feel if I change my vote though, people will think that scummy.

Only one person died last night. Something doesn't fit here.

Going to change my vote anyways. Back to my "tunnel" on Deconduo, who has been coasting.

##Unvote

##Vote: Deconduo

Inb4 people say I am scum trying to make myself look townie "if" Sandroba flips vet.

On January 27 2012 18:38 Paperscraps wrote:
I just want to clarify that I am not taking the lynch lightly. Rash decisions and shotgun voting are a bad idea. Honestly we don't have much to go on yet for the D1 lynch. Why am I the one stalling when the majority of the town hasn't voted yet either? By your logic they should all be scum as well for "stalling".

I am not waiting to vote. My mind is still changing. Just because I don't vote and unvote every other post doesn't make timid.

I will vote when I am ready to vote, not before.

On January 27 2012 19:27 Paperscraps wrote:
I meant this

*Being 100% sure of anything is impossible for a townie during N1.

On January 29 2012 04:42 Paperscraps wrote:
##Unvote: Palmar


##Vote: Prplhz

Two reasons for my change here.

1. My read on Palmar is neutral, by voting him up earlier I was hoping to get him to be more constructive and reasonable. This doesn't look likely now. I don't know all the meta everyone else knows about Palmar, but I think this can be a good thing. I can be more objective about my reads on him in the future.

2. Prplhz voted up wherebugsgo and then just left. No reason at all.



If you say you are going to do something, then follow through. Accountability!

On March 06 2012 15:33 Snarfs wrote:
The town now needs something to discuss. With Sandroba gone, everyone should go back and reread the thread with his flip in mind (obvious, I know). Come up with some different conclusions. We have almost 3 days to discuss now (except for one or maybe two of us *sad face). I have done this and here is what I have come up with (I've spoilered the longer quotes):

Why Paperscraps should be lynched tomorrow:

To start off the game, we have a couple of not so awesome posts:



I point out the fact that his vote lacked any sort of his usual reasoning (something he still hasn't provided), and then add that it came after Palmar was hassling dec.

"Usual reasoning". Can you be more clear on what you think this is?

Are you trying to imply that my read came solely from the Palmar/Deconduo exchange?

Here is his reply:

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What does Paper focus on? He focuses first on attacking my credibility: Calling the irony in my post laughable and calling my post hypocritical. Then, he gives a short one-liner explaining his vote ("thought his reads were off base"), then justifying a reason for keeping it ("his reaction to my vote seemed overdone").

You are using the same meta on me in two different ways. You are saying that my posting makes me town, because that is how I played in werewolves mafia. Then you say that my posting makes me scum, because it differs from my posting in my newbie mafia game. I have been town in every mafia game I have played on teamliquid so far.

For reference, dec's response was this:

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Is that really an unreasonable response given the accusation? No, it isn't.
At the end of the above quote, Paperscraps again attacks my credibility, saying my last point makes no sense at all. Reread the thread. Palmar starts calling out deconduo for a bad read. Paperscraps jumps in with a vote and his reasoning is that deconduo's reads are bad. I make the connection. Makes sense.

So how do we know anyone is anything when we are town? Certain towntells are obvious and Deconduo is either missing them or over looking them. Deconduo's response is loaded, because Deconduo is saying that the only way I can know his reads are bad is if I am scum. I could use this argument against you right now, saying that you read is horrible, because you think I am scum, when I am town. Just because his reads were on other people, doesn't mean I can't deem them bad. I can't know with 100% certainty if they are wrong or not, but mafia is a game of induction and deduction.

Then we see this:

Funny, he provided more reasoning for voting than Paperscraps did for his vote. Good attempt at discrediting him though.

Quality > quantity. Bluelightz says a lot of things, but there is really no substance behind anything he says.


At this point, Dec has mentioned Paper in two one-liners this game, the worst of which is to say "We lynch Misder today and Paper tomorrow. I had a look at Pandain's filter and its nothing as bad as these two." Hardly OMGUS when you consider that up until this point, Paper's filter is indeed pretty bad.

Not sure, what you are trying to get at here. You are saying that my voting of Decon is unjustified. Then Decon foses me with very little reasoning and that isn't OMGUS? Double standard.

Followed by some defending of himself:

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This part makes sense: Paper thinks Decon's reads are bad because he's getting town reads from the people Decon is calling scum.
This part doesn't: Decon has 2 bad reads a day into the game; therefore, he's scum.
Good analysis of Pandain and Palmar as well. Note who he claims who is playing more town and who might be scum; this might be important later.

Deconduo's read coupled with his reaction to my fos is what made me think he is scum

Next up, Paper attempts to defend himself. Nothing really to gather from here, except for the fact that Jackal is one of his top two scum at this point. Jackal who had 8 posts up until that point, none of which could possibly be considered either pro-town or anti-town. However, Jackal did mention that he was okay with lynching Paperscraps.

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Next, Paper tries to get rg to claim Vig.

At this point my read on rg was either Veteran trying to draw fire, or SK without a clue as to what he was doing. Am I going to try and get rg to claim his blue role though? No. Is any townie going to try and get rg to claim his blue role? No. So why is Paper trying to get him to claim his blue role?

LOL. Ok let me explain something to you here. rg was soft claiming Vig pretty hard. Why would someone do this? THEY WANT TO GET SHOT. Ok, so now that we all understand that, we have to try and decipher if the claim seems legit or not. rg was being pretty obvious and blunt about it. My assumption was that he was either a Vet or vanilla townie trying to take one for the team. How can I help rg get shot then? Try and make people believe that I think he is a real vig. (hint hint I really didn't think this) Thus, rg's plan worked out perfectly. I may have even helped.

Next up we see a great example of how to make a meaningful looking post without actually posting anything, followed by defending a scum buddy:

A) We can all see who voted Misder. Saying that at least one of them has to be scum? A terrible assumption. 3 out of 13 people (not including Misder himself). And at least one of them has to be scum? Hardly.

Misder was town. People voting him are stupid or mafia/sk

B) Summarizes Deconduo and Palmar's chat for us. Ends with a slightly weaker read on Dec. Now he's only "leaning towards Decon being scum". What happened there?

I was always leaning towards Decon being scum. I don't understand your implication.

C) Calls Jackal out for not posting much. Fluff.

Yeah definite fluff. Trying to get someone to be more active, help scumhunt and all that jazz. /sarcasm

D) More fluff about AKCT

Honestly this analysis on AKCT holds the same weight as people's read on Sandroba. Sandroba says he is too busy to post. AKCT says he is too drunk to post or post anything coherent. Maybe scum is playing the afk/lurk/not care game.

E)Now this is very interesting. Agrees that Sandroba is the easy lynch. Agrees that he's been posting nothing. Disagrees with Sandroba's read (sounds familiar to the Decon case). Then spends 4 sentences convincing himself that Sandroba is a bored vanilla townie? Not looking so good given Sandroba flipped scum.

I am not infallible. Honestly though I would be raging pretty hard if I were mafia this game, because Sandroba played horribly.

Next up we see Paper claim that he thinks Sandroba is SK and is claiming a fake hit.

Then, 9 hours later, his opinion is changed.

And finally, this beauty:

Followed by this:

Oh, and this:

To recap, first he states Sandroba is an SK with a fake claim. Then, he states Sandroba is not worth lynching. Then, he is worth lynching (after votes are 4-2 Sandroba over Bluelightz, with a single vote on Pandain, AKCT, Adam and his own on Dec). Then, the "lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right".

The bandwagon on Sandroba went up very quickly and Sandroba was very scummy, that it was almost too easy. Like seriously I called it the night before how easy it would be to lynch Sandroba. So, I second guess myself and look bad. Not voting with the majoity doesn't make me scum. If I were scum, I would have just bussed Sandroba to make myself look town. See the contrast here? Scum obviously bussed Sandroba.

Now, you should all compare Paperscraps' posting to his previous games where he was town. The contrast is frightening.

Look at my last game in werewolves mafia. I have played the same. You are basing your meta off my game in newbie mafia, I don't play like that anymore with big long analytic posts, because they are unnecessary and anyone can contort peoples words to whatever they like. Just as you have done above.

There we have such great gems as:


And he can be reasoned with and isn't afraid to change is vote:


Finally, he has the ability to perform good analysis:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955&currentpage=46#911

Does this look like the same Paperscraps? It certainly doesn't to me.

Let me bring up some points to you.
1. I have rolled town every game in tl mafia, thus you have no scum play to read.
2. You are using proof by contradiction off my town meta to call me scum. My town play has been evolving since newbie mafia, so this isn't valid.
3. I have played pretty similar to my last game in werewolves mafia, where my reads were decent when it came to finding scum. If you want to use meta to read me then use that.

And THAT is why Paperscraps is scum, and should be lynched tomorrow.