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iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 06 2013 12:11 GMT
#461
If you're tweek, you have totally been wrong about me before.

My gut tells me you're WWF.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 06 2013 12:22 GMT
#462
On June 06 2013 12:38 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 11:44 Spicydinosaur wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2013 11:34 Xzavier wrote:

Also the reason im for lynching a lurker night one is even if it is a noobie who realized they didnt have the time for it, then they arnt ever gonna be useful for us in this game, so it still would be more productive than a No-lynch.


I disagree with this. I would rather have a no lynch than to lynch someone i think is a lurking town. We should only be lynching scum, not bad town. I don't see how lynching a townie lurker is more productive. If you think vote for someone because you think he's a lurking scum... fine, but a lurking town vote doesn't help


I would very much rather lynch a lurker than go no-lynch. Would you rather:

a) be at LYLO with one or more players that are completely unreadable
b) be at LYLO slightly earlier with players you can at least try to get a read on

Lurking townies aren't just "not useful to town", they're an actual liability later in the game.

Obviously you should lynch scum reads over lurkers, but you shouldn't give lurkers a free pass either.


I should have clarified that this only applies to D1. If it comes down to LYLO then all bets are off and you go with your best shot.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
June 06 2013 12:25 GMT
#463
On June 06 2013 21:11 iVLosK! wrote:
If you're tweek, you have totally been wrong about me before.

My gut tells me you're WWF.


That was the first game ever, after that I got a taste for VTK and my tastebuds dont lie.
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 06 2013 12:30 GMT
#464
On June 06 2013 21:25 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 21:11 iVLosK! wrote:
If you're tweek, you have totally been wrong about me before.

My gut tells me you're WWF.


That was the first game ever, after that I got a taste for VTK and my tastebuds dont lie.

Okay so this is Tweek. Despite his aforementioned gaffe in helping to lynch a vigilante me in his first game, he has become one of the better readers of VTK. Shame no one listens to him.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 06 2013 12:38 GMT
#465
On June 06 2013 20:19 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 11:00 iVLosK! wrote:
Who is the motherfucker who recognized me from OMGUS?

I will find you, mystery motherfucker.


I'm the finger down your spine when all the lights are out. I'm the name on all the men's room walls. When I pout, the whole world tries to make me smile. And everyone always wants to know, who... is... that girl?

Okay guys, listen up. I can read vloski like a Dr Seuss book. And he is without a doubt town. I've like, never been wrong about him.

So, ##vote: Spicydinosaur

For all his posts being about game theory (lynching lurkers, etc.) and none of them having any intention of finding scum.


I just did a little theory to get the game going. Wasn't much discussion going on before I went to bed. And if you are going to vote me, at least get my theory right... I said pressure lurkers.

Anyways, here are some thoughts.

@Firere345 seems to be only sheeping. He agrees with Umasi's post about iVLosK! and then asks a pointless mod question about a jester. Reading the first page of the thread tells you what roles are possible in this game and jester is NOT on it. So why ask it? A true newbie to this game would probably read that first page up and down multiple times. So far he feels pretty scummy.

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.

@Umasi is my most worrisome read right now. He is generating some discussion but a lot of his posts are full of fluff. Taking a wait and see on him.

@Yavanna strongest town read atm. Generates discussion and asks good questions.

iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 06 2013 12:43 GMT
#466
On June 06 2013 21:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.



What is it that causes you to have a town read on Skanjab if all he's done is "throw a vote with nothing else?"
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 06 2013 12:48 GMT
#467
On June 06 2013 21:43 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 21:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.



What is it that causes you to have a town read on Skanjab if all he's done is "throw a vote with nothing else?"


Town read because it would be an incredibly stupid move if he were mafia. His reason for voting me is extremely weak and given his position of having 0 posts before this... it draws too much attention to him. He's not trying to blend in with the crowd and feels more akin to a new townie player than anything else.
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 06 2013 12:52 GMT
#468
On June 06 2013 21:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 21:43 iVLosK! wrote:
On June 06 2013 21:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.



What is it that causes you to have a town read on Skanjab if all he's done is "throw a vote with nothing else?"


Town read because it would be an incredibly stupid move if he were mafia. His reason for voting me is extremely weak and given his position of having 0 posts before this... it draws too much attention to him. He's not trying to blend in with the crowd and feels more akin to a new townie player than anything else.

What if he was successful in lynching you? That seems a pretty good reason to come out of the fold.

Also this "mafia like to hide" shit bothers me, because you're making sweeping generalizations about what everyone does in the same situation. If all mafia acted alike this game would be super easy. Some mafia are just as in-your-face as I can be at times. And it's not just you that's said it, so don't think I'm picking on you.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
June 06 2013 12:53 GMT
#469

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.


My posts purpose is to lynch scum, something I haven't seen from you. You criticize me for my post yet it gives you a townread on me? Rather contradictory.

Umasi comes across as a townie to me, albeit one that was gotten to by ivloski.

Pedit: I'm not really new.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 06 2013 12:55 GMT
#470
Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer?
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iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 06 2013 12:56 GMT
#471
On June 06 2013 21:53 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.



Umasi comes across as a townie to me, albeit one that was gotten to by ivloski.


He is one of my many conquests, you must refer to him as such. >
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 06 2013 12:59 GMT
#472
On June 06 2013 21:52 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 21:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 06 2013 21:43 iVLosK! wrote:
On June 06 2013 21:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.



What is it that causes you to have a town read on Skanjab if all he's done is "throw a vote with nothing else?"


Town read because it would be an incredibly stupid move if he were mafia. His reason for voting me is extremely weak and given his position of having 0 posts before this... it draws too much attention to him. He's not trying to blend in with the crowd and feels more akin to a new townie player than anything else.

What if he was successful in lynching you? That seems a pretty good reason to come out of the fold.

Also this "mafia like to hide" shit bothers me, because you're making sweeping generalizations about what everyone does in the same situation. If all mafia acted alike this game would be super easy. Some mafia are just as in-your-face as I can be at times. And it's not just you that's said it, so don't think I'm picking on you.


Fair point on the hiding.


On June 06 2013 21:53 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.


My posts purpose is to lynch scum, something I haven't seen from you. You criticize me for my post yet it gives you a townread on me? Rather contradictory.


Not at all contradictory. I can disagree with your reasoning and still find you town by the way you presented it. Just because someone accuses me of scum doesn't automatically mean I think they are scum as well.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 06 2013 13:07 GMT
#473
On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer?


Kinda hard to look specifically for the SK day 1. Best bet is to just scum hunt as there really isnt a tell D1 that someone is the SK.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 06 2013 13:35 GMT
#474
The Votes

Skanjab1s (1) - IvLosK!
Spicydinosaur (1) - Skanjab1s
IvLosK! (0) - Xzavier, Umasi
LoneMeow (0) - Umasi

Deadline: [unparsable timestamp format]

Remember to post or PM the hosts if these vote counts are incorrect.

iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 06 2013 13:37 GMT
#475
On June 06 2013 16:19 Umasi wrote:
That's the thing, he felt so abrasive it was hard for him to be scum, but backing down and being like "he's probably town" is annoying, because I feel like he'll bring it up again pointlessly, merely to spite me. And my gut instinct then will be to say "he's mafia!!!!" which is WRONG. And it's BAD for him to do that.
regardless.
The first thing was his preemptive reasoning, which I took as an excuse, and still kind of do. there's nothing for him to be afraid of if he's town, so it's kinda scummy! Might as well talk about it.
When he comes back and tells us to vote on him, I couldn't think of any possible fucking reason other than "he's stirring the pot, and that's scummy." Apparently, it was to generate discussion, but I still don't know why he'd go back and bring it up again in the manner that he did. It felt like he was just drilling it in that he wasn't giving an excuse (and I still think that he FUCKING WAS, because it gives him reasoning to fall back on, and quickly assuages peoples doubts of him, but that doesn't make him mafia).
When Xzav pulled off of him, I don't know why he kept poking me to go at him. That's stupid! Why would he want me to stay on him? That's....bad. It means my vote is on the wrong person. This confused me.
And threatening to lynch me if my list of reads was unsatisfactory is stupid if he's done fuck all anyway.


What really makes me feel he's town though is that he says he's abrasive for shits and giggles, because it fits in with the way he'd been playing, because he never felt antagonistic, just trolly, which isn't necessarily scum.

I think that made sense.

Also, iV, me wasting my vote isn't your FAULT, but it sure as shit is your CONCERN, because you want scum lynched.

Not just merely to spite you. Someone who is unsure of their convictions, just testing the waters without laying down anything concrete is probably scum. That's why I asked you to vote me. That's why I repeatedly said "If I'm scum, say I'm scum." and "Why does x's actions affect who you think is scum?"

I'm a scummy guy, it's my MO.

The manner that I did it generated exactly the discussion I wanted.

See the above.

I will still lynch you if you continue to have shitty reads.

On June 06 2013 15:51 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 15:22 Yavanna wrote:
On June 06 2013 13:01 Umasi wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:58 iVLosK! wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:56 Xzavier wrote:
##vote:iVlosk!
Ill take this vote back when you defend yourself with logic over brofists

Keep it there, then. I like my brofists.

Just explain why you think what you do, why you made a preemptive excuse, and why you like your brofists. Liking brofists is BAD. Brofists are emotional. We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic.



I need a little clarification on the bolded point Umasi. You are calling iV's play emotional, yet he seems to be keeping a pretty level head in this shit storm that's started up. The only emotional vibes I'm getting are from you. Are you meaning to be contradicting?

I am not meaning to be emotional, what I realized is that he was stirring me up, and that's what I was referring to. For a while I felt like he was egging me, and then I realized he was DEFINITELY egging me..
but I came to the conclusion that doesn't make him mafia or town, it just makes him annoying and antagonistic.
I was wrong when I thought he started the use of the word brofists, but I do not like how he ran with it. It still annoys me, because it's nothing but misdirecting to me
and the main reason I had for thinking he was scum, was his stupid antagonism.
That's just me being a whiny emotional bitch.
The reason I've gone afk for about an hour at a time is I've been trying to cool my head, and then I get back and he posts some shit about me drowning in my own mediocrity and I think "ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS"
So although I'd still like to lynch him, god knows I'd like to lynch him, out of spite, I've decided it's a bad idea. I originally pressured him on that stupid and inconsequential point (preemptive excuses) because I wanted to get discussion rolling, and I got overly emotional, in the face of him.
I'm rambling, it's late, but I'm not tired. so I'll try to consolidate if anything is confusing.


What you're referring to is this post:
On June 06 2013 13:59 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 13:54 Umasi wrote:
My vote rests on you, but in light of Xzav pulling out, I'd be open to other lynch candidates.
I'd 100% rather lynch you than some lurker though.

"pulling out"
teeheehee.

Oh yeah? Well as soon as that random OMGUSer shows up, Im gonna take my vote of him and put it on you. The accumulated filth from all your badness and lack of player reading ability will foam up about your waist and you will look up and shout "Save me!" ... and I'll whisper "No."

How does that make you feel?

That is a reference from a movie and not something to take too seriously. I reference a lot of movies and music, the only problem is the type of people who play mafia are usually not the kind of people who get my references.
If something seems out of place, only mildly relevant, or if it rhymes. Assume it's a sports reference, movie reference, or a rap lyric. Jab can testify that I post a lot of rap lyrics as a "Come at me, bro!"

If I call myself:
Mista Mista Quick-ta-get-witcha chick
if she got off quick, with this
she be like "Yeah, Yeah, Yeah."
Like "Yeah, Yeah, Yeah."

Just know that I'm probably not being serious.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
Yavanna
Profile Joined May 2013
United States36 Posts
June 06 2013 13:40 GMT
#476
On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer?


Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me?

In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts?
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 06 2013 13:49 GMT
#477
On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less.

Prettier faces than you have tried and failed to address that, my friend. I got no clout, small bank, but a big mouth.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 06 2013 13:54 GMT
#478
On June 06 2013 10:45 Umasi wrote:
hey everyone, I have no idea how to get a game started. Let's a gogo?
Should I put a vote on someone? Carefully analyzed?
##VOTE LoneMeow


On June 06 2013 10:51 Umasi wrote:
##UNVOTE LONEMEOW

Umasi, take me through your thought process here.

Why the random vote? Was it to "get the ball rolling?"

And if so, why remove it 6 minutes later, leaving the ball completely unrolled.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 06 2013 14:00 GMT
#479
On June 06 2013 21:53 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +

@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.


My posts purpose is to lynch scum, something I haven't seen from you. You criticize me for my post yet it gives you a townread on me? Rather contradictory.

Umasi comes across as a townie to me, albeit one that was gotten to by ivloski.

Pedit: I'm not really new.

IvLosK! and Umasi are the only players whose alignment you have an opinion on?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 06 2013 14:15 GMT
#480
On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer?


Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me?

In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts?



Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum.
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