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I'm going to go against the current here and say that Yavanna worries me a bit because she's being awfully nice when going for clarification. The self-deprecation that comes with her questions to players. Stuff like
"Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town."
Or this to xZAv
"Now that I've ruffled your feathers"
what ruffled feathers? Yavanna you agreed with xZav in that post.
And yet with assurances that you'll be plenty abrasive when the time comes.
On June 06 2013 16:23 Yavanna wrote:
Shit I'm sorry...? Should I put on my bitch face? I mean there's like 3 people talking here. When someone comes into the thread that I should jump on I will, but I haven't seen anything to make me do so yet. I'm really not so nice all the time but those of you who I'm conversing with are townie as fuck imo. Should I pull an iV and attack you just for shits?
On June 06 2013 16:30 Yavanna wrote:
Ermahgerd...I can feel the Vlosk coming!! RAAAAGGGGEEE!!
No but in all seriousness, I just don't see the point in being an asshole unless its warranted. When I think someone is doing something scummy I'll jump all over their ass and not feel bad about it in the least.
I'm not seeing any sign of this iron fist in the velvet glove. Yavanna is working for minor clarifications from her town reads, mostly, which isn't such a great place to put a lot of effort.
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So I'm bad because I'm abrasive and Yavanna is bad for the opposite reason?
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On June 06 2013 23:33 iVLosK! wrote:
So I'm bad because I'm abrasive
Didn't we already have this discussion?
and Yavanna is bad for the opposite reason?
It's not just the sweetness and light, it's who she engages with to ask questions vs who she makes 3rd perosn observations about. i.e., interacting directly with town reads asking questions that aren't likely to refine those reads but look engaged.
I have her pretty solidly null atm. this could be all personality and style, esp if she's new to mafia.
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On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer? Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me? In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum.
These are both good observations. "Thinking what I'm thinking" isn't considered a reliable town tell but it seldom steers me wrong.
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On June 06 2013 23:24 fferyllt wrote:I'm going to go against the current here and say that Yavanna worries me a bit because she's being awfully nice when going for clarification. The self-deprecation that comes with her questions to players. Stuff like "Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town." Or this to xZAv "Now that I've ruffled your feathers" what ruffled feathers? Yavanna you agreed with xZav in that post.
And yet with assurances that you'll be plenty abrasive when the time comes. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 16:23 Yavanna wrote:
Shit I'm sorry...? Should I put on my bitch face? I mean there's like 3 people talking here. When someone comes into the thread that I should jump on I will, but I haven't seen anything to make me do so yet. I'm really not so nice all the time but those of you who I'm conversing with are townie as fuck imo. Should I pull an iV and attack you just for shits? Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 16:30 Yavanna wrote:
Ermahgerd...I can feel the Vlosk coming!! RAAAAGGGGEEE!!
No but in all seriousness, I just don't see the point in being an asshole unless its warranted. When I think someone is doing something scummy I'll jump all over their ass and not feel bad about it in the least. I'm not seeing any sign of this iron fist in the velvet glove. Yavanna is working for minor clarifications from her town reads, mostly, which isn't such a great place to put a lot of effort.
i believe that she meant she didnt want to flatter me overly too much lol. thats the way i read it atleast. but yeah, this might be because she is new, but she does seem overly apologetic and it is suspicious when somebody says i dunno who im gonna vote for, so im going to sheep you, this early on. I mean id be okay with her saying she was going to sheep me if she had absolutely no reads, but this is almost giving her an excuse not to try and make reads/find mafia. kinda like saying here, you do the work. and then ofc not having her name attached to it anywhere.
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Ok, so re Umasi, looking at his posts in isolation (the filter link on a person's posts for those who haven't found it, or click the name of the player in the page 1 player list - those are links to the player's filter posts)*
He mentions that this is his first game when he /in'd.
His first several posts have an enthusiastic and confused newb feel. As iL mentioned (I'm not writing your name out any more because I'm lazy) his trajectory on and off his first vote was confusing. It looked like a random vote, and I don't understand why he decided to remove it so quickly unless maybe it was because nobody else was voting randomly...in which case, hmm. Maybe natural town herd movement. Maybe trying to fit in.
He takes an almost immediate dislike to iL. At the time, I thought those first two votes on iL looked like newb townish reactions, and was looking forward to seeing who would go next because the next vote would have looked scummy to me. But, since iL was actually pressuring people to join that wagon, so much for that.
His vote on iL and subsequent unvote, though are followy (of xZav). And I kinda disliked that removing the vote was not really due to reluctantly deciding IL is town, but because he didn't think the lynch was viable.
The amount of aggravation over the iL's play seems over the top, too, but...playstyle. Sometimes players just irritate someone and they can't get past it.
If so...then get past it. Make sure your reasons for thinking someone is scummy aren't too colored by dislike or annoyance.
Posts like this one don't really strike me as all that newbish, though
On June 06 2013 13:32 Umasi wrote:
It may be all you need, but think about what the town needs, and explain why this entire exchange has furthered our understanding of the current game. Why are you responding the way you are, if I think it is apparently pro-mafia? You don't want a townie thinking what you're doing is pro-mafia.
If you think I'm mafia, say so, and I'll happily respond.
Don't just sit there and absolve yourself using the logic of "I am town" and "I said I'd stick to my vote, and was explaining why"
Because the logic of "I am town" does not WORK if you don't play in a protown way, and saying "I'd stick to my vote, and was explaining why" is stupid if you aren't fucking explaining why. Telling us that you're going to vote what you think is the correct vote is fine, but the entire excuse reads as just that to me. An excuse.
Re you readslist, one thing that struck me as odd was that you needed more posts from me. I wasn't the most prolific poster of the crowd last night, but I had made several posts by then, and had taken a strong stance on iV's reaction-gathering as well as the reactions. Was there something specific you thought I'd comment on around that time?
Basically, Umasi, your reactions mostly seem town-motivated, but it's a strange mix of giving up too quickly on some things and holding on rather long on others, which makes me a little uneasy.
*I'm mentioning the page 1 player links because I didn't figure it out for myself in my previous game here.
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After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me (or you are just really good at pretending which is even worse if you are aren't townies T_T). All in all after some hardcore analysis (aka reading) I sadly do know nothing  . Xzavier seemed to be a scum (after following Umasi's accusations) but then he had some awesome pro-town posts. What to do!? What to do!?
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On June 07 2013 02:25 Gotard wrote:After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me (or you are just really good at pretending which is even worse if you are aren't townies T_T). All in all after some hardcore analysis (aka reading) I sadly do know nothing . Xzavier seemed to be a scum (after following Umasi's accusations) but then he had some awesome pro-town posts. What to do!? What to do!?
Ask questions. Make observations. And when you are ready, use your vote.
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@Firere345 seems to be only sheeping. He agrees with Umasi's post about iVLosK! and then asks a pointless mod question about a jester. Reading the first page of the thread tells you what roles are possible in this game and jester is NOT on it. So why ask it? A true newbie to this game would probably read that first page up and down multiple times. So far he feels pretty scummy.
I like this a lot. Spicy, you said to pressure lurkers. This is where I’d want to put some pressure. Where you at Firere? There are a couple other lurky fuckers still, but this guy shows up, randomly agrees with Umasi’s post but he never follows up, in fact he doesn’t explain anything. At all. That bugs me.
As to fferyl’s posts about my play...You are right, I am new to mafia. From what I’ve read though, I don’t think someone needs to necessarily be a dick to play this game effectively. If I seem overly nice, so be it. I can’t change my personality. If you say something solid, props to you, if you say something stupid, then I’ll change my tune.
It's not just the sweetness and light, it's who she engages with to ask questions vs who she makes 3rd perosn observations about. i.e., interacting directly with town reads asking questions that aren't likely to refine those reads but look engaged.
At the time I asked these questions, the only people in thread responding were people I’ve placed town reads on. I ask for clarification because I am generally interested in what some people find as scum play. I want to make sure the town is all on the same page. Is that not a good mentality to have? Part of playing this game, as far as I can understand, is making sure the town is all on the same page so that we can collectively lynch mafia. How do I do this without asking questions?
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On June 07 2013 02:34 Yavanna wrote:
At the time I asked these questions, the only people in thread responding were people I’ve placed town reads on. I ask for clarification because I am generally interested in what some people find as scum play. I want to make sure the town is all on the same page. Is that not a good mentality to have? Part of playing this game, as far as I can understand, is making sure the town is all on the same page so that we can collectively lynch mafia. How do I do this without asking questions?
You can ask questions of someone who's not currently posting.
It's a little early for town to be finding a single page to be on. Right now, it's good for people to be questing and poking at what's been posted and making angry noises about lurkers.
Do you have someone who is a high priority to get sorted?
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On June 06 2013 22:54 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 10:45 Umasi wrote:
hey everyone, I have no idea how to get a game started. Let's a gogo?
Should I put a vote on someone? Carefully analyzed?
##VOTE LoneMeow Umasi, take me through your thought process here. Why the random vote? Was it to "get the ball rolling?" And if so, why remove it 6 minutes later, leaving the ball completely unrolled.
I had no idea how to start the game so I made a random vote, which would accomplish nothing, and promptly took it off.
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On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer? Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me? In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum.
If I were scum, why would I stay on this train of thought longer than I needed to? It's obviously only drawn attention to myself and basically confirmed iV as town to everyone else. Why is it scummy to stick on it like that?
And I conform to the majority because if everyone else thinks something about the situation, and I'm here thinking something different, but enough people disagree that they can't all be mafia, I realize that I'm probably mistaken and should reevaluate the situation!
Would you prefer I keep tunneling him? Even when it's blatantly counterproductive at that point?
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On June 07 2013 02:25 Gotard wrote:After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me (or you are just really good at pretending which is even worse if you are aren't townies T_T). All in all after some hardcore analysis (aka reading) I sadly do know nothing . Xzavier seemed to be a scum (after following Umasi's accusations) but then he had some awesome pro-town posts. What to do!? What to do!?
How do you feel about some of the other players? do you have scum reads... town reads... or what?
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On June 06 2013 15:08 Onegu wrote:
I think it is apperant that ivlosk is town at this point. I dont uderstand why you keep saying he is scum. I also dont get why making a list of observations is useful at this point when over half of the people havent posted yet.
When you made this post, what made you think it was apparent that iV was town?
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I want more posting from the lurkers, especially Firere345 with more analysis and less sheeping.
##Vote: Firere345
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On June 06 2013 23:00 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 21:53 Skanjab1s wrote:
@Skanjab1s You throw a vote on me for theory yet your only post is just to throw a vote with nothing else. Town read for now.
My posts purpose is to lynch scum, something I haven't seen from you. You criticize me for my post yet it gives you a townread on me? Rather contradictory. Umasi comes across as a townie to me, albeit one that was gotten to by ivloski. Pedit: I'm not really new. IvLosK! and Umasi are the only players whose alignment you have an opinion on?
Not at all, but I don't really feel the need to post a list on how I feel about everyone at this point.
On June 07 2013 02:48 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:
Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum. If I were scum, why would I stay on this train of thought longer than I needed to? It's obviously only drawn attention to myself and basically confirmed iV as town to everyone else. Why is it scummy to stick on it like that? And I conform to the majority because if everyone else thinks something about the situation, and I'm here thinking something different, but enough people disagree that they can't all be mafia, I realize that I'm probably mistaken and should reevaluate the situation! Would you prefer I keep tunneling him? Even when it's blatantly counterproductive at that point?
Nice bit of WIFOM you've got there.
##unvote
##vote: Firere345
Da da da dadada dum*
Da da da dadada dum*
Under Pressure, pushing down on me.
Pressing down on you, no man ask for.
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@Skanjab1s what do you make of firere345's asking the mods about a jester? Do you feel its newbie town or scum?
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Do you have someone who is a high priority to get sorted?
Atm I'm interested in hearing from firere and LM.
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On June 07 2013 03:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:
@Skanjab1s what do you make of firere345's asking the mods about a jester? Do you feel its newbie town or scum?
I'd think that a newbie town would have read the rules quite carefully and would know that kind of thing, so added with his sheeping onto iV for a really terrible reason, I'm leaning scum. I do want to hear more from him though.
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On June 07 2013 03:43 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 03:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:
@Skanjab1s what do you make of firere345's asking the mods about a jester? Do you feel its newbie town or scum? I'd think that a newbie town would have read the rules quite carefully and would know that kind of thing, so added with his sheeping onto iV for a really terrible reason, I'm leaning scum. I do want to hear more from him though.
Could just be someone who said "FUK DA ROOLZ," like myself.
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