GSL Mini Mafia III - Page 22

On October 22 2012 11:38 vaderseven wrote:
I have time I said I would make it work. Day 1 reads are pretty far fetched pre first flip and I DO say that with alot of exp.

On October 22 2012 11:36 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Kei

Please comment on things other than just defending yourself. That would be much more helpful.

On October 22 2012 12:28 drazak wrote:
ok, from recent times I saw giving a better explaination of my read on vader and my scummiest atm.

V7 disappeared for forever, with no activity, explains it away with work, but if he was going to have work issues like this, why did he accept the invite? At first I voted for him just to get him to talk, tbh there was a vote count between when I started writing the post and when I posted it, I thought there were 2 votes on him, not 3, or I probably wouldn't have voted. When he finally came back, he started claiming that you can't make reads D1? What? 50 games of mafia and you can't make or force reads on D1? Not sure I grok here. Want to see what he says when he wakes up but he's not going to be around for awhile.

I feel like keir is probably a little scummy, he over-reacted a bit when accused, which is ok, but then he says I'm being scummy, and then his next post... defends me? Not sure I understood that, while contradicting yourself is scummy, I'm not sure why you'd do it. You're agressively defensive and then cover all of your over reactions by saying you'll flip out over it, what? You should be home by now, not sure why you think threatening to flip out helps defend your over-reactions, not sure why you'd say that.

On October 22 2012 12:28 drazak wrote:
ok, from recent times I saw giving a better explaination of my read on vader and my scummiest atm.

V7 disappeared for forever, with no activity, explains it away with work, but if he was going to have work issues like this, why did he accept the invite? At first I voted for him just to get him to talk, tbh there was a vote count between when I started writing the post and when I posted it, I thought there were 2 votes on him, not 3, or I probably wouldn't have voted. When he finally came back, he started claiming that you can't make reads D1? What? 50 games of mafia and you can't make or force reads on D1? Not sure I grok here. Want to see what he says when he wakes up but he's not going to be around for awhile.

I feel like keir is probably a little scummy, he over-reacted a bit when accused, which is ok, but then he says I'm being scummy, and then his next post... defends me? Not sure I understood that, while contradicting yourself is scummy, I'm not sure why you'd do it. You're agressively defensive and then cover all of your over reactions by saying you'll flip out over it, what? You should be home by now, not sure why you think threatening to flip out helps defend your over-reactions, not sure why you'd say that.

On October 22 2012 12:44 Keirathi wrote:

First: no, I'm not home yet. Probably. Another hour or so.

Second: where did I attack you, then defend you in my next post?

You have it backwards: I defended you first, then started attacking you based on your explanations to what the other people were accusing you of.

Also, does aggressively defending myself make me scum? If so, why? Why not just a frustrated townie? Explain your thought process, please.

On October 04 2012 14:45 Keirathi wrote:

Not several people. Just kush. Because I thought kush was town based on his demeanor, but his voting and play was distinctly anti-town. I spent a lot of time trying to make him see that. But I should have just shut up and let him play stupidly? Okay.


Nothing I can really say about that. It's pretty true. After questioning KJ, I felt comfortable in my scum read of him. So I spent the rest of my time questioning other people and berating kush.



What you probably didn't pick up on just by reading my filter (or maybe intentionally misrepresenting?), is the timing of my posts. Go back and look at my last post on day 1. It was 9 hours before the deadline (and 32 hours before my next post). That's because I took an unplanned trip out of town and didn't have internet. My vote might have been meaningless at the end of the day, but when I left it wasn't (KJ had the majority). There was literally nothing I could have done because I didn't have internet access to keep up with the game.




ToutEstChaos justified his vote too. Why is the fact that I did it scummier than the fact that he did it?

Also, the "Damnit, I'm slow" comment was because, when I first read the daypost, no one had commented on the reason Risen had died, nor voted marv yet. So I quoted Risen's death, then started trying to find the post where Risen had said to kill marv when he died. By the time I had finished, Tout had already beat me to the explanation. Basically you're saying that it would have been townier for me to first vote marv, 10 minutes after the day post, with 0 explanation. I don't buy that. It would be like the people who took flak for hopping on Matt without explanation in LVII after his Nosy Neighbor claim.


This is reasonable, but a question: have you read my scum game (GSL Open Mini Mafia 1) for reference? I mean, sure I'm aware that I played a reasonably "good" scum game in that, so if I wanted to play differently I could. But would I really go for the extreme opposite end of the spectrum? From "good" scum, to terrible and easily caught?

Anyways, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to lynch me tomorrow. I lost some of my interest after having to catch up with 24+ hours of two different games.

On October 05 2012 00:13 Keirathi wrote:
The point in making them is for you to do a little research yourself. Seriously. Go look through my scum game. If you still think my mentality is the same, then I deserve the vote, and I'll do whatever I can before I die to clear up my thoughts.

On October 06 2012 03:05 Keirathi wrote:

There's literally no way to refute that. You're 100% right, I've been unmotivated to put much effort into this game since 1) I missed ~30 hours of the day, and 2) we had a confirmed scum. Hell, I would probably vote for me tomorrow in your shoes. And that's not "martyring", its just the truth that I've done nothing to prove my towniness.

But, I wasn't lying. I will scour the game and give my thoughts sometime soon. Hopefully before the day post, since I don't have any plans when I get off work this afternoon.

On October 21 2012 01:47 Keirathi wrote:

What? I made it perfectly clear what my opinion on it was. It was a bullshit post, and I called it that, and wanted him to explain.

I was not, and am not, going to make any decisions about his alignment based on that. He at least provided a plausible explanation, even if it does feel a little "made up after-the-fact" because someone called him out on it. I don't think it makes him scummy, nor do I think it makes him town. What, exactly, is the point of saying "Yea, he's still neutral"?

On October 22 2012 06:28 Keirathi wrote:

I guess I can respond to this since I'm around for a bit before I have to go sit with my grandpa again.

I'm not going to vote for something that I'm not pretty convinced of. His answer to the questioning going on in thread was way more important than what he actually said that I called bullshit on.

Also, FOS is a stupid term that I have never nor will ever use. Calling a post bullshit and making a pressure "case" is as close as you'll ever get to seeing an FOS from me.

And, about not following up: it was friday night. I went out for the night. Fucking sue me. (And yes, marv, I am being aggressively defensive. If people really want to lynch me for that then I'm going to flip the fuck out.)

On October 22 2012 10:48 Hapahauli wrote:
No no I think we're not understanding each other. Take some time to read the thread, come back tomorrow, and give us better-informed reads. What you're giving us right now is absolutely useless, both for determining your alignment and helping town at all.

On October 22 2012 10:58 vaderseven wrote:
I can do that.

On October 22 2012 13:16 drazak wrote:





Darth ^

On October 22 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways:

Slightly town on DP. Kind of town on iamp.

Still slightly scummy on Draz, but not enough that I would vote him at this point without more content.

No one else has really stuck out in the limited amount of time I've actually been able to read and research people. I'm not going to just make up reads that I don't believe in, so meh.

On October 22 2012 13:40 Keirathi wrote:
@DP:

The difference is that you had a well presented, logical, solid case. It was strong enough that it probably could have gotten me lynched, but it would have been over something worth being lynched for. The cases against me this game mostly boil down to "I expect better" or "he could be fucking with his meta", which is lazy scumhunting and a terrible reason to lynch me. Which is why I've spent so much time questioning the people who keep limping in to the case against me.

On October 22 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote:


This might be one of the most infuriating things I've ever read in mafia.

Douchebag who does ZERO scumhunting calls others lazy scumhunters. Fuck you.

On October 22 2012 21:10 marvellosity wrote:
screw you too, DP. Mainly because I wanted to carry on being angry but you made me smile instead ^^