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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 07:52 GMT
#421
Palmar laying down the law
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 08:05 GMT
#422
On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote:
Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts.

First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture"....

That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern.

The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend....

this kid is scum if mattchew is
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
September 04 2012 08:08 GMT
#423
On September 04 2012 16:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
All right, regarding the BC/Mattchew situation:

First of all, this post is wrong:

Show nested quote +
You are right, his fakeclaim doesn't prove he is mafia on its own. However, HIM ASKING FOR CLAIMS DOES. Why would a townie fakeclaim and attempt to get all blues to claim ? No townie day 1 should ever be this fuckign stupid. Even if he gets caught as mafia (as I have caught him) had anyone or if anyone proceeds to claim and a bunch of retard blues out themselves mafia is instantly ahead.


IIRC, he asked for people with the same role - noisy neighbor - to claim, not blues.

BC is making this main assumption:

Show nested quote +
No miller/neighbor is self aware in any game ever except odd pyp/ptp like setups as it defeats the purpose of the role. This game holds true to the same rule as normal games for the mechanic.


To put it simply, this is the main argument going on: how can he know he is a noisy neighbor if they are unaware?. Am I correct?

You have made it clear that you are 100% sure that this game does not include self-aware millers.
As a normal person, one could not make this assumption, as it would be statistical. Say 90% of games don't include self-aware millers. I have read the OP, and nowhere does it say that millers aren't self-aware, so you must have other reasons to know this, because no matter what, you say it is not an assumption.

The fact that you keep insisting would be ridiculous if you weren't indeed 100% certain, because, like sloosh said, you would most likely be lynched if he showed up town, making it a double town loss.

Did I get anything wrong here?

If not, ##Vote Mattchew






So you rail against all the reasoning behind the mattchew vote, say that there is zero evidence that he is lying and that it is based purely on conjecture, and then vote for him without adding anything to the case against him? Then you vote for him, completely contradicting the fact that you clearly state it is based on an assumption? o_0
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 09:09 GMT
#424
good catch kobe
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 09:26:28
September 04 2012 09:17 GMT
#425
Nosy neighbours do not know they are nosy neighbours
Computer says mafia
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 04 2012 09:22 GMT
#426
On September 04 2012 18:17 Palmar wrote:
Just like with any other normal miller role, nosy neighbours do not know they are nosy neighbours


whoa what? Just got back into this thread. I'll read through it later (when I wake up) but for now,

##Vote Mattchew
Что?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
September 04 2012 09:27 GMT
#427
##Vote Mattchew
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
September 04 2012 09:31 GMT
#428
Well, that answers the hour I spent trying to figure out if Mattchew's claim was real. Thanks for clearing that up Palmar. I'll be voting Mattchew.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 04 2012 09:38 GMT
#429
On September 04 2012 18:17 Palmar wrote:
Nosy neighbours do not know they are nosy neighbours


lol

##Vote: mattchew
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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
September 04 2012 09:38 GMT
#430
So Mattchew is a liar who made an impossible role-claim as scum. This is the easiest scum day one lynch I've seen in a mafia game .

##Vote: Mattchew


But we still should be trying to create a pro-town environment going into day two. Along those lines:

The guiltiest lurkers are listed as follows, in no particular order:
Gravan, austinmc, imallinson, Strongandbig, Miltonkram

I look forward to hearing more from these people in particular. That being said, you can expect from me tomorrow afternoon (~12 hours from now) a case writeup highlighting my current scum reads.


Good night all, and congrats on an easy day one .
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 04 2012 09:52 GMT
#431
Morning all. Just finished reading through the thread. I was thinking about whether Matt or BC were scum but Palmar answered that question for us. Obviously ##Vote:Mattchew.

So now we know Mattchew is scum we go onto his scumbuddies. BlackMamba is a fairly obvious target because he defended Matt pretty hard and went after BC who, barring a crazy scum tactic, is town. I'd like to hear from him now that we know Matt's claim was fake.

The other person I thought was really suspicious was Rewok because his one real post was the most useless shit I've ever seen. There is no point in posting reads on everyone if that read is, in all cases, null. He even goes out of his way to explain away the uselessness of his post:
A little about me: I like to be careful about my scumreads. I'll only give a scumread if I've got a VERY strong hunch. My goal isn't to lynch townies. It's to make sure we use each lynch to nail a mafia and get this game over with quickly. Also - with every townie left alive.
I would like to see him say something actually substantial on someone.

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BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 09:53 GMT
#432
##vote Mattchew if he flips scum vig hit Maverick.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 09:54 GMT
#433
On September 04 2012 18:52 imallinson wrote:
Morning all. Just finished reading through the thread. I was thinking about whether Matt or BC were scum but Palmar answered that question for us. Obviously ##Vote:Mattchew.

So now we know Mattchew is scum we go onto his scumbuddies. BlackMamba is a fairly obvious target because he defended Matt pretty hard and went after BC who, barring a crazy scum tactic, is town. I'd like to hear from him now that we know Matt's claim was fake.

The other person I thought was really suspicious was Rewok because his one real post was the most useless shit I've ever seen. There is no point in posting reads on everyone if that read is, in all cases, null. He even goes out of his way to explain away the uselessness of his post:
Show nested quote +
A little about me: I like to be careful about my scumreads. I'll only give a scumread if I've got a VERY strong hunch. My goal isn't to lynch townies. It's to make sure we use each lynch to nail a mafia and get this game over with quickly. Also - with every townie left alive.
I would like to see him say something actually substantial on someone.



hear what? I rescinded my vote and was basically waiting for palmar to pm me back to let me know whether nosy neighbours know their role or not. i assume BC knew about it from asking palmar privately in the first place. i was never defending mattchew anyway, only saying that i had no reason to believe BC until he could prove mattchew was lying which didn't happen until just now anyway so it's nice of you to pop in after the fact and throw some suspicion on me for it

don't be silly
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 04 2012 10:00 GMT
#434
On September 04 2012 18:54 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 18:52 imallinson wrote:
Morning all. Just finished reading through the thread. I was thinking about whether Matt or BC were scum but Palmar answered that question for us. Obviously ##Vote:Mattchew.

So now we know Mattchew is scum we go onto his scumbuddies. BlackMamba is a fairly obvious target because he defended Matt pretty hard and went after BC who, barring a crazy scum tactic, is town. I'd like to hear from him now that we know Matt's claim was fake.

The other person I thought was really suspicious was Rewok because his one real post was the most useless shit I've ever seen. There is no point in posting reads on everyone if that read is, in all cases, null. He even goes out of his way to explain away the uselessness of his post:
A little about me: I like to be careful about my scumreads. I'll only give a scumread if I've got a VERY strong hunch. My goal isn't to lynch townies. It's to make sure we use each lynch to nail a mafia and get this game over with quickly. Also - with every townie left alive.
I would like to see him say something actually substantial on someone.



hear what? I rescinded my vote and was basically waiting for palmar to pm me back to let me know whether nosy neighbours know their role or not. i assume BC knew about it from asking palmar privately in the first place. i was never defending mattchew anyway, only saying that i had no reason to believe BC until he could prove mattchew was lying which didn't happen until just now anyway so it's nice of you to pop in after the fact and throw some suspicion on me for it

don't be silly

Ok, I guess I misread your intentions. I can see why, given the information available to you, you would be suspicious of BC's assertion that Matt was lying. Why do you think Maverick is scum if Matt is? He doesn't defend Matt just says he isn't comfortable lynching him given the current info which is pretty similar to what you did.
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BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
September 04 2012 10:04 GMT
#435
He doesn't say anything about the information available. It reads as though he meant to say "mattchew is probably guilty but I don't want to vote for him yet."

Why would anyone feel the need to justify not voting for someone that basically no one was voting for unless they knew he was guilty? He's defending himself for not voting for Mattchew, but why? There's no bandwagon. BC was railing on about it but no one believed him because he was the only person at that time with mod confirmation about the nosy neighbor which the OP was vague about.

Then after all that, all that business of me and BC arguing, Mattchew's claim coming under suspicion, he only has one sentence to say about it and then wants to talk about Toadesstern of all people? And he doesn't even make a commitment to a read or a vote or anything

it reeks
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
September 04 2012 10:29 GMT
#436
Now that we're 99% sure Mattchew is scum I'd like everyone to turn their attention to Hapahauli.
On September 04 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
As for an early-game scumread, I'm suspicious of DarthPunk.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&currentpage=15#285

In his only substantial post, he's very critical of the early-game play of two players. He calls mattchew's vote "retarded" but doesn't attempt to say if it's scummy or not. He doesn't ask questions about their motives - he's just critical, and that seems scummy to me.

##Vote DarthPunk

He chainsaw defends Mattchew after Mattchew recieves pressure from DarthPunk. All the while he avoids actually commenting whether he thinks Mattchew seems guilty or not.

Then he spends time needling the conversation to a point where DarthPunk is willing to unvote Mattchew until BC comes in and blows that shit up (like a bauss).

Other than that he's been plenty forthcoming with town reads, but he has yet to seriously pursue a scum read.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 10:37 GMT
#437
austinmc aka autismnc
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 04 2012 10:40 GMT
#438
@Milton another good catch. Notice the interaction with Doyouhas? Seems like scum coaching. "Hey, your vote on BM sucks"

We may have caught 4 scum on d1
that'd be remarkable
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
September 04 2012 10:45 GMT
#439
@Brood
Well I am EU, so when the game started at 0:30 I wrote a joke about lurkers, you shouldn't take the first couple of posts seriously come on man. Then I went to sleep. Also I had no idea on what stance to take on the whole sloosh vs Toad thingy so I am waiting on my scumbuddies to tell me what to say.

Meh, last game I was one of the main pushers for the d1 claim lynch and that didn't work out in the end.

Town-Mattchew would claim Nosy Neighbour if he what ??
Scum-Mattchew would claim Nosy Neighbour for what ?
I have seriously no clue, someone help me
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 04 2012 10:46 GMT
#440
On September 04 2012 19:40 Bill Murray wrote:
@Milton another good catch. Notice the interaction with Doyouhas? Seems like scum coaching. "Hey, your vote on BM sucks"

We may have caught 4 scum on d1
that'd be remarkable

Why would scum do their coaching in this thread where town could see it?
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