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On March 28 2012 14:06 TritaN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 04:51 Endymion wrote:
for someone who didn't read the books I really enjoyed the film, there wasn't really a point where I was like "ok this is retarded," quality film in my opinion, i definitely recommend it I found this part to be extremely stupid. + Show Spoiler +When Rue's friend/brother/whatever lets Katniss live, he says something like "just this time, for Rue."
Let me get this straight... You're on an Island, fighting to the death, and only ONE PERSON can make it out alive - but you're going to spare Katniss "for now" because she was nice to Rue? You're going to have to kill her eventually anyways.
So if you were there with your friend for example, you would kill him right at the beginning, because you would have to kill him eventually anyway?
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On March 28 2012 13:55 Hambone636 wrote:
unfortunately the plot is bullshit and has a million holes ... so the movie sucked
I just do not understand how people can enjoy a movie with such a terrible plot
I have several questions
If the game is free-for-all fight to the death with one winner, why are they befriending and helping each other? what is this
People start saving each other, even though they are just going to kill them later? really
And why would you be upset when a competitior (the little black girl) dies ... one step closer to winning and staying alive
The pack of 4 or 5 kids go to sleep on the ground, why doesn't one of them just slit all over the other people's throats, that would help
It also bothers me that the little girl with throwing knives that weighs 70 or so pounds, completely manhandles the main character, who is twice her size and age
Towards the end when the sponsors give the remaining contestants a goody bag in the center common ground, everybody is gathered around outside in the woods to take cover, then the girl who is supposed to be the smartest one darts into the open first, and if you are going to do that, you might as well take all four of the goody bags. Then this same girl that is supposed to be smart dies from poisoning herself .. doesn't seem smart to me
I don't mean to be rude but it's kind of mind-boggling that not only do you disagree with their actions, but you can't even conceive of how it could make sense. There were no plot holes and all of the characters' actions made sense, it seems like we must have seen completely different movies.
Making alliances makes perfect sense. Doing this ensures that you and your partners make it to the final 4 or so people, and that a weak player doesn't win simply by hiding and evading. If you are part of the alliance you have greatly increased your chances to survive.
Slitting their throats early on defeats the purpose of having an alliance... though I suppose it's not an awful idea either. But just because it's a viable strategy, that doesn't mean a character is required to use it or else the movie is ruined.
It's completely natural that a person would be upset about an innocent 12 year old girl being forced into a warzone and being violently killed.
The girl with the throwing knives is a trained soldier who is the same size as the main character, I'm not sure why you thought otherwise.
The girl who grabbed her bag from the table first... she grabbed her own bag because it contained something she personally needed. It's likely she would not need what's in the other bags, and taking one would invite everyone to hunt her down next - it's not worth it. Again yes it's a strategy that could have been used, but to call it a plot hole when a character doesn't use your own ideas isn't exactly accurate.
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I like to think their actions were depicting their humanity instead becoming thoughtless killing monsters. In the book they do talk about the different strategies winners used, not all were about alliances.
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On March 28 2012 20:11 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 13:55 Hambone636 wrote:
unfortunately the plot is bullshit and has a million holes ... so the movie sucked
I just do not understand how people can enjoy a movie with such a terrible plot
I have several questions
If the game is free-for-all fight to the death with one winner, why are they befriending and helping each other? what is this
People start saving each other, even though they are just going to kill them later? really
And why would you be upset when a competitior (the little black girl) dies ... one step closer to winning and staying alive
The pack of 4 or 5 kids go to sleep on the ground, why doesn't one of them just slit all over the other people's throats, that would help
It also bothers me that the little girl with throwing knives that weighs 70 or so pounds, completely manhandles the main character, who is twice her size and age
Towards the end when the sponsors give the remaining contestants a goody bag in the center common ground, everybody is gathered around outside in the woods to take cover, then the girl who is supposed to be the smartest one darts into the open first, and if you are going to do that, you might as well take all four of the goody bags. Then this same girl that is supposed to be smart dies from poisoning herself .. doesn't seem smart to me
I don't mean to be rude but it's kind of mind-boggling that not only do you disagree with their actions, but you can't even conceive of how it could make sense. There were no plot holes and all of the characters' actions made sense, it seems like we must have seen completely different movies. Making alliances makes perfect sense. Doing this ensures that you and your partners make it to the final 4 or so people, and that a weak player doesn't win simply by hiding and evading. If you are part of the alliance you have greatly increased your chances to survive. Slitting their throats early on defeats the purpose of having an alliance... though I suppose it's not an awful idea either. But just because it's a viable strategy, that doesn't mean a character is required to use it or else the movie is ruined. It's completely natural that a person would be upset about an innocent 12 year old girl being forced into a warzone and being violently killed. The girl with the throwing knives is a trained soldier who is the same size as the main character, I'm not sure why you thought otherwise. The girl who grabbed her bag from the table first... she grabbed her own bag because it contained something she personally needed. It's likely she would not need what's in the other bags, and taking one would invite everyone to hunt her down next - it's not worth it. Again yes it's a strategy that could have been used, but to call it a plot hole when a character doesn't use your own ideas isn't exactly accurate.
Fanboy cognitive dissonance level of Chocobo... It's over 9,000!
Movie kicked ass, I enjoyed it, even though the plot made my brain hurt. I hate it more when I think about how shit the plot was (for example, how easily killed the little sister would have been had she gone, or the fact that the guy who used to hunt with the main character didn't also volunteer with her like a real man would, or why not every single kid would be training like fuck all their poor ass lives knowing that they be selected to enter the games at some point), but while I was in the theatre I enjoyed it and liked the fact that the forest scene lasted longer than I had expected.
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I've never watched a movie before that I expected to be utterly terrible, and it turned out not to be.
So weird.
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On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
Movie kicked ass, I enjoyed it, even though the plot made my brain hurt. I hate it more when I think about how shit the plot was (for example, how easily killed the little sister would have been had she gone
How is that weird? Most of the tributes wouldn't stand a chance against the Careers. It's normal.
On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
or the fact that the guy who used to hunt with the main character didn't also volunteer with her like a real man would
A real man would abandon his own family, three little siblings, his mother and let them die of starvation to save a girl, that just might go out with him one day?
On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
why not every single kid would be training like fuck all their poor ass lives knowing that they be selected to enter the games at some point)
They're poor, they don't have enough food as it is, not to mention, who would train them and with what? That's why Careers are from the richest districts.
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It's apparent that the books explained more than the movie, I think we can all agree. Some people will point at details and criticize. Others will take a moment to ask why that might be the case.
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On March 28 2012 23:47 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
Movie kicked ass, I enjoyed it, even though the plot made my brain hurt. I hate it more when I think about how shit the plot was (for example, how easily killed the little sister would have been had she gone How is that weird? Most of the tributes wouldn't stand a chance against the Careers. It's normal. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
or the fact that the guy who used to hunt with the main character didn't also volunteer with her like a real man would A real man would abandon his own family, three little siblings, his mother and let them die of starvation to save a girl, that just might go out with him one day? Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
why not every single kid would be training like fuck all their poor ass lives knowing that they be selected to enter the games at some point) They're poor, they don't have enough food as it is, not to mention, who would train them and with what? That's why Careers are from the richest districts.
Mate, do you even read your own rationalisations, you're like some young theology college student trying to tell people why Creationism fits so well with scientific evidence because of the way our penises are shaped to fit into vaginas or something and that it's in the Bible. I watched the movie knowing that it is fiction and bullshit, I don't try to think logically about it and defend its flaws.
I'm talking about the guy who scared away the deer at the start. Which also reminds me - why the fuck did he do that since they're poor and hungry as fuck, trading food and increasing their chances to be selected for the games. What a dick. No wonder he doesn't get the girl in the end. What a pussy. He should've been all like: "I, too, shall volunteer." And then started like some sort of village progression of rebellion where another person comes out and is like: "No, let me!" "No, I will go in his stead!" "Back away everyone, I will volunteer!" Etc. And if I recall since when did he have a family and shit? He was just some ass who made a few jokes that nobody but the main character found funny on some hilltop.
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Can't tell if you're serious or trolling. But it doesn't seem to matter at this point, because you're not making much sense.
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Leaning towards trolling with 2 posts.
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Gale could not have volunteered himself. Like another poster has stated. He was the sole source of food for his own family and not to mention he was the one resposible for taking care of Katniss's family while she was in the arena and if she never came back. It not a theory and is explained in the books. Gale's job was always to keep her family alive. He can't do that if he is in the arena with her.
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Dunno if this has already been posted, but I read somewhere this movie was described as "Battle Royale with Cheese"
I haven't seen battle royale but I saw Hunger Games last night and liked it. As always, the book was much better!
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On March 28 2012 23:56 Black and Proud wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 23:47 Vardant wrote:On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
Movie kicked ass, I enjoyed it, even though the plot made my brain hurt. I hate it more when I think about how shit the plot was (for example, how easily killed the little sister would have been had she gone How is that weird? Most of the tributes wouldn't stand a chance against the Careers. It's normal. On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
or the fact that the guy who used to hunt with the main character didn't also volunteer with her like a real man would A real man would abandon his own family, three little siblings, his mother and let them die of starvation to save a girl, that just might go out with him one day? On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
why not every single kid would be training like fuck all their poor ass lives knowing that they be selected to enter the games at some point) They're poor, they don't have enough food as it is, not to mention, who would train them and with what? That's why Careers are from the richest districts. Mate, do you even read your own rationalisations, you're like some young theology college student trying to tell people why Creationism fits so well with scientific evidence because of the way our penises are shaped to fit into vaginas or something and that it's in the Bible. I watched the movie knowing that it is fiction and bullshit, I don't try to think logically about it and defend its flaws. I'm talking about the guy who scared away the deer at the start. Which also reminds me - why the fuck did he do that since they're poor and hungry as fuck, trading food and increasing their chances to be selected for the games. What a dick. No wonder he doesn't get the girl in the end. What a pussy. He should've been all like: "I, too, shall volunteer." And then started like some sort of village progression of rebellion where another person comes out and is like: "No, let me!" "No, I will go in his stead!" "Back away everyone, I will volunteer!" Etc. And if I recall since when did he have a family and shit? He was just some ass who made a few jokes that nobody but the main character found funny on some hilltop.
"I don't try to think logically about it and defend its flaws."
So much wrongwith this statement. If you can't think logically, why are you talking? you just admit what you are saying isn't from a place of logic. If you don't udnerstand logic, the movie is not the one with flaws, you are.
"I'm talking about the guy who scared away the deer at the start. Which also reminds me - why the fuck did he do that since they're poor and hungry as fuck"
This isn't even from the book, in the movie he specifically said the deer would be useless because of all the soldiers in town for the reaping. They were hunting illegally, and trying to sell a deer would lead to their arrest.
The rest is just troll bait.
Dunno if this has already been posted, but I read somewhere this movie was described as "Battle Royale with Cheese"
I haven't seen battle royale but I saw Hunger Games last night and liked it. As always, the book was much better!
Battle Royale is an Asian movie with a similar premise. They are wildly differnet in every other area, and the people who try and say Hunger Games is a dumbed down version has neither seen or read Hunger Games.
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On March 28 2012 13:55 Hambone636 wrote:
Good production and acting
But unfortunately the plot is bullshit and has a million holes ... so the movie sucked
I thought it might be good for the first 45 minutes until the actual Game began, everything went to shit then, and it just kept getting worse
I just do not understand how people can enjoy a movie with such a terrible plot
I have several questions
If the game is free-for-all fight to the death with one winner, why are they befriending and helping each other? what is this
People start saving each other, even though they are just going to kill them later? really
And why would you be upset when a competitior (the little black girl) dies ... one step closer to winning and staying alive
The pack of 4 or 5 kids go to sleep on the ground, why doesn't one of them just slit all over the other people's throats, that would help
It also bothers me that the little girl with throwing knives that weighs 70 or so pounds, completely manhandles the main character, who is twice her size and age
Towards the end when the sponsors give the remaining contestants a goody bag in the center common ground, everybody is gathered around outside in the woods to take cover, then the girl who is supposed to be the smartest one darts into the open first, and if you are going to do that, you might as well take all four of the goody bags. Then this same girl that is supposed to be smart dies from poisoning herself .. doesn't seem smart to me
It is stupid how towards the end of the movie, the announcer changes the rules 3 different times back and forth
One more thing, at the end when she shoots the antagonist in the arm to free Peeta, if that was real the arrow would have penetrated through the boy's hand an into Peeta's chest, killing them both
I don't even have a problem with them being able to create life forms that are big dog-like beasts out of thin air just by drawing them, on a computer or that they have magical cream that heals all ailments ... but the other things are just way too far
1. Alliances is actually a pretty simple concept and a strategy a lot of people opt for. If you look at those reality shows (Survivor, Big Brother, etc.), the people do form alliances with each other even though there could only be 1 winner. You'd have to be extremely smart to play on your own.
2. If you had read the book you'd have a better grasp on what was going on through the protagonist's head.
3. Yeah, that could have been an option here assuming one could be quiet enough to kill and run away if you can't get all of them before they wake up. Gotta have balls to do it though, keeping in mind the only kids who were trained for the games (and would likely do it) were in that pack. Thresh (District 11) maybe could have if he was in the vicinity.
4. Would make sense to assume that someone proficient with a bow may not be as skilled in close combat. You could tell knives were Clove's specialty.
5. Extra bags weigh you down, and this girl is supposed to take pride in her speed and cleverness. You just become a target. She could have formed a strategy with taking all of them somehow, but she relied on a low profile and keeping out of everyone's way.
Just because you are smart doesn't mean you know everything. She obviously wasn't a hunter/gatherer and spent much time in the woods. She could have assumed that Katniss told Peeta which berries to get.
6. Yes, that is what the message is, to show how the games are stupid.
7. Can't say, you could be right. I don't know the specifics of how deep an arrow can pierce bone.
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at least alex petyfer isn't in it
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On March 28 2012 23:28 Black and Proud wrote:
Fanboy cognitive dissonance level of Chocobo... It's over 9,000!
Movie kicked ass, I enjoyed it, even though the plot made my brain hurt. I hate it more when I think about how shit the plot was (for example, how easily killed the little sister would have been had she gone, or the fact that the guy who used to hunt with the main character didn't also volunteer with her like a real man would, or why not every single kid would be training like fuck all their poor ass lives knowing that they be selected to enter the games at some point), but while I was in the theatre I enjoyed it and liked the fact that the forest scene lasted longer than I had expected.
No point in volunteering. He already has his name in 42(?) times. He's the sole provider of the family, and with Katniss' selected, he's just going to have to end up killing his best friend (also the provider of the family).
Not every kid will be in the games in their life. If you live in a poor district, you won't have an ounce as much training as the kids in the rich districts. The capitol would probably limit any form of training from the districts anyway, to maintain control and not have another rebellion.
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I saw the trailers, then went and watched the movie, then lastly, read the books.
I crushed all 3 books in as many days. Quite a good series of books. I'd say that the Movie adaptation of the Hunger Games was fairly accurate, and what changes were made were for the better or were required but didn't take away from the book.
The second book, Catching Fire, was a bit slower to start, but got extremely good halfway in.
The final book, Mockingjay, was good, but the ending was not what I was expecting or hoping for. I understood it - its a bit twisty turny, but I hoped for a different one.
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Haven't read any of the books but I'll probably give this a go in the weekend, seeing as it's hyped and Jennifer Lawrence is in it  . Absolutely amazing actress.
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storyline sux. compare to Battle Royale (jap).... and the the camera angle, it's like watching Blair Witch Project all over again.
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I thought the storyline was decent. But as many have pointed out, from a technical perspective, the event itself does not make any sense. As a spectator sport, the 74th Hunger Games were extremely boring and poorly designed. Almost half the contestants die at the start, and then the rest spend days wandering through the forest, spending as much time on mundane things like building shelter as on trying to find and kill each other. Personally, I think having firearms would have been nice, but not necessary to make the games entertaining. They just needed to be set up better. No wonder Seneca Crane was executed, ratings for the 74th HG must have plummeted after people got tired of watching. For examples of other battle-to-the-death events that would have made better spectator sports, see Battle Royale, Gamer, Death Race, Naruto.
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