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exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 17:33 GMT
#401
On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.


Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.

If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.


You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?

WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this?


Huh? I'm getting more and more confused as this game goes on. Put me in the confused category guys. And by confused, I mean mind boggling confused.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 27 2013 17:34 GMT
#402
On July 28 2013 02:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.


Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.

If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.


You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?

WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this?


?

oh nevermind. I think I misinterpreted that last post. exarezee, can you quickly clarify what you meant in the post about the "town wagons"? Were you referring to me and paper?

Wha
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
July 27 2013 17:35 GMT
#403
On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.


Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.

If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.


You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?

WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this?

That looks pretty okish. He meant that the town/town wagon hz spoke of is clearly not a town/town wagon at all. He just says that he is scum because he is pushing that wagon.
I had a good night of sleep.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
July 27 2013 17:35 GMT
#404
Hi everyone, just got my internet back, will post something more weird later .
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 27 2013 17:36 GMT
#405
On July 28 2013 02:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.


Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.

If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.


You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?

WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this?

That looks pretty okish. He meant that the town/town wagon hz spoke of is clearly not a town/town wagon at all. He just says that he is scum because he is pushing that wagon.

Yeah, I think I read it wrong. Okay, back to my case. Be back soon.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 27 2013 17:40 GMT
#406
I mean, I find the thing FirmTofu just did kinda hard to fake.
Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours.

##Unvote

Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 17:43 GMT
#407
On July 28 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean, I find the thing FirmTofu just did kinda hard to fake.
Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours.

##Unvote

Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo.


I mean captain jack and oats kinda did the same thing. And I've given them town leans for it...But can't give everyone town leans for doing this kind of stuff.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 27 2013 18:03 GMT
#408
Why exarezee is Scum
Some of this will be copy/pasted from some of my previous posts so bare with me if you experience deja vu.

Here is the first accusatory post that exarzee made.
On July 27 2013 10:56 exarezee wrote:
This talk of lurkers is really confusing me. I mean, we SHOULD all know better than to do this. Why is this even being discussed? If someone falls for the "trap" it's mostly due to naivety than anything else. I think we should move the discussion along.

As I have not played with you guys before, it is difficult to make tonal reads on Day 1. I already find a few people scummy: koshi and paperscraps. But this is only a slight lean, as i realize some people just post more "scumlike" than others.

Here he accuses Koshi and paperscraps. Note that he never followed through on his Koshi scumread.

A few posts later...
On July 27 2013 12:07 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 11:41 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets all BW and murder this guy!

##Vote: exarezee


I mean, this looks really forced doesn't it? You start the thread appearing to be helpful, answering a few questions, etc. etc. Come back in a few, and this is your post?

The follow up on Paperscraps. Nothing significant yet, I'm just posting it so you can get an idea of where his head is at this time.
On July 27 2013 13:23 exarezee wrote:
I'm getting more and more distressed by paperscrap's posts. He starts off posting ok and it is just deteriorating.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 09:32 Paperscraps wrote:
Ok, so no one has died yet right? I was a little thrown off by the Night 0.0 and Night 0.1.

LYNCH ALL LURKERS, MUAHAHAHAH.


Pretty generic 1st post. I assumed when he said to lynch all lurkers it was a joke.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote:
On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...

Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not?



Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.

Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players.


2nd post. A pretty safe post leaving himself wiggle room. Says he doesn't mind voting a lurker because they are a libability later in the game. True, but it's more of a liability to lose the game before we get to late game. Backs it up that it's hard to get a read...reinforcing his idea that it's not a bad idea to lynch a lurker.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 10:38 Paperscraps wrote:
On July 27 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
We should lynch the lurker with the least posts. Koshi is clearly not one of them. Clearly.

So Paperscraps, why is Day 1 hard to get solid reads as opposed to other days?


As in any other game of limited information. Day 1 has the least amount of material to draw from and thus is harder to deduce a solid fos. As the game progresses and people are pushed off the boat, you can begin to seem "teams" form and motivations for lynches and kills.

On July 27 2013 10:33 Stutters695 wrote:
On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote:
On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote:
To all of you that are out there...

Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not?



Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.

Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players.

So basically you don't have a stance on it?


On July 27 2013 09:32 Paperscraps wrote:
...LYNCH ALL LURKERS, MUAHAHAHAH.


##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow

Also, anyone want to make out in a town car with me?



So he knows that we need interactions between the dead and alive to figure out this game. How does he still advocate lynching a lurker? It is basically a waste of a day to lynch someone with few to no interactions. Have the vigilante shoot them for crying out loud or force the scum to night kill them.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 11:41 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets all BW and murder this guy!

##Vote: exarezee


Leaves for a bit then comes back with this. I've thrown him the softest of scum leans and he comes back with a 1 liner. Notice how none of his previous posts have been similar to this at all.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 12:43 Paperscraps wrote:
Im just going to lurk for the rest of the day, since exarezee has deemed lurkers unlynchable. It is a full proof strategy guys. If you are mafia, just lurk from now on. You won't get lynched.


This is just terrible on so many different levels. I'm not even sure how to interpret this. It makes you look scummy at worst or a useless townie at best. I have absolutely 0 idea why you would post this if you were a townsperson.

This is the case he made against Paperscraps. At this point, a town exarezee should be tunneling Paperscraps. We should expect pressuring, prodding, or constant attacks going from exarezee to Paperscraps.

On July 27 2013 13:26 exarezee wrote:
##Vote: paperscraps

The vote establishes that he's serious.

Now the fun part...
On July 27 2013 18:37 exarezee wrote:
It's difficult to ascertain tone and sarcasm and some of these less subtle jokes on the internet. I even indicated I thought paperscraps was joking early on. But when posts have 0 use and possibly 0 intentions of helping the scum hunt...then it's not really a funny joke anymore. Paperscrap's posts were really poor imo for a townie, but I can accept the possibility that he was "not being serious".

One minute he's saying Paperscraps could have been joking around...
On July 27 2013 18:54 exarezee wrote:
Yea, so apparently everybody who was promoting this lunacy of lynch lurkers were all joking or setting a pretty miserable tarp. Which is why we never needed to go on this path of discussion to begin with.

I like a wagon on paperscraps.

...and two posts later, he's saying he wants Paperscraps dead.

Why does he feel the need to say, "Oh, yea, Paperscraps might have been joking around...but he's scum anyway."
This line of reasoning does not bode well for his alignment. Only scum would be pushing someone while setting themselves up with an excuse for a town flip.
On July 27 2013 22:02 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now.


Ok, this post is really bothering me now. Wants to get down to business...but also is bogging the game down with the lurker discussion. Like really pushing the discussion from the get-go.

Another scummy post from exarezee. This is the first time he has said anything about finding me scummy. He's pushing for my lynch in theory, but is still voting Paperscraps on paper. It's like he wants to throw dirt onto me but doesn't want to be associated with my town flip.

I think the idea is to support Clarity's pressure on me without actually associating himself with the wagon.
On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.

I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.

Look at how he INSISTS that both are probably not scum. If he was town, he'd be pushing his scumreads like there's no tomorrow (See: Clarity). He wouldn't be trying to create an out for when Paperscraps or I flip town and he has nothing to fall back on.
On July 27 2013 23:21 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.

I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.


How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum?

You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum.

Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad.

Which of them is most likely to be scum?


It's a useful post for those who think I'm town and several people do. it's also useful to have a nice concise argument that one of those two is scum for if/when i die and turn up town.

No one said exarezee looks town aside from me very early in the game irrc. It looks like exarezee is trying to push pressure off of him by saying other people think he's town. Scum play at its finest.
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.

I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.

Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.

Another post saying that he isn't even all that convinced that paperscraps is scum. If he's not sure if Paperscraps is scum, why is he voting him? For information? On Day 1? That's absurd.

This logic also is very scum-esque because of how it sets up scum in future days. Assuming Paperscraps and I are both town and Paperscraps is lynched, exarezee can quote this post and go, "Well, I said I was sure one of them was scum, I wasn't sure which one. FirmTofu must be scum guys."
On July 28 2013 00:00 exarezee wrote:
I understand it's probably going to look pretty bad for me and potentially cost the town the game if both paper and tofu turn up town...but it's just crying that one of those two attempted a really poor attack at me in the hopes of garnering a following.

Another post insuring himself against my town flip. He knows I will flip town, so he is planning ahead for when I flip by saying, "I'm sorry if I'm wrong".


Thanks for reading.

©TofuLogic Incorporated
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 27 2013 18:14 GMT
#409
hey tofu wanna lynch justanothertownie?
Why/why not?

Read your case, if Im not wrong, it is basically stuff surrounding paperscraps and his 2 wagon shit right? I dunno man, its a lotta conspiracy theory based on scum setting up wagons and leaving himself outs. From what Ive seen, scum dont really leave themself outs. I dunno, your logic is fine, but I feel that exarezee has been posting really clearly and I can see his thought process and all that townie shit. Also not a good idea to kill active poster day 1.
No gg, No skill.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 27 2013 18:18 GMT
#410
On July 28 2013 03:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey tofu wanna lynch justanothertownie?
Why/why not?

Read your case, if Im not wrong, it is basically stuff surrounding paperscraps and his 2 wagon shit right? I dunno man, its a lotta conspiracy theory based on scum setting up wagons and leaving himself outs. From what Ive seen, scum dont really leave themself outs. I dunno, your logic is fine, but I feel that exarezee has been posting really clearly and I can see his thought process and all that townie shit. Also not a good idea to kill active poster day 1.

I will take a look into his filter.

This isn't conspiracy theory shit. They are scumtells, plain and simple. A conspiracy theory is when you make an elaborate story to establish relationships between multiple players. Just ask hzflank, he knows all about them.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
July 27 2013 18:25 GMT
#411
Just woke up and I am heading to work. I have read up to page 16. I will be back in 5 or less hours and make some posts with substance.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 18:33 GMT
#412
I am going to try to address the points that Tofu has made. A few are completely false statements; a few are inaccurate jumps in logic, I am just going to copy what he's written in his most recent post and you guys can scroll up if you want to see the context in which he writes them in.

Here he accuses Koshi and paperscraps. Note that he never followed through on his Koshi scumread.

First off, my accusations were soft tonal reads made at the beginning of Day 1. There's not a whole lot of substance behind them. I made a case on paperscraps only after he made several more posts. I did follow through with regards to Koshi and explained that I did not like his fluff post in early Day 1. So I think he's slightly scummy for his fluff, but due to lack of posts, there really isn't much point in going after him.

...and two posts later, he's saying he wants Paperscraps dead.
Why does he feel the need to say, "Oh, yea, Paperscraps might have been joking around...but he's scum anyway."
This line of reasoning does not bode well for his alignment. Only scum would be pushing someone while setting themselves up with an excuse for a town flip.


Never said I want Paper dead. Said I like a wagon on him. I didn't feel the need to say paper was joking around. He himself said it. I agreed that it was a possibility, slightly weakening my position on him, yet I still liked a bandwagon on him. I don't understand what line of reasoning you are talking about. And I'm not setting myself up with any excuse. Nobody is right every time in this game.

Another scummy post from exarezee. This is the first time he has said anything about finding me scummy. He's pushing for my lynch in theory, but is still voting Paperscraps on paper. It's like he wants to throw dirt onto me but doesn't want to be associated with my town flip. I think the idea is to support Clarity's pressure on me without actually associating himself with the wagon.

Ok, this is the second time you've claimed yourself to be a town flip. We get it. You claim to be town as does everybody else. I want to throw dirt on you but don't want to be associated if you flip town? I've advocated that you and paper should be the bandwagons. Pretty sure I'm stuck to you.

No one said exarezee looks town aside from me very early in the game irrc. It looks like exarezee is trying to push pressure off of him by saying other people think he's town. Scum play at its finest.


Yourself was leaning town on me. Vayne was "99% town on me". And hzflank labeled me "almost as town as anyone". So again your statement is completely false.

exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 18:38 GMT
#413
On July 28 2013 03:25 Paperscraps wrote:
Just woke up and I am heading to work. I have read up to page 16. I will be back in 5 or less hours and make some posts with substance.


I'm curious if you think Tofu is scum?
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 18:40 GMT
#414
On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.

Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.

Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.


So paperscraps was suspicious in your eyes. Nothing has changed regarding paperscraps, as he hasn't posted till a few minutes ago. Why do you not have him in your sights anymore?
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 27 2013 18:43 GMT
#415
On July 28 2013 03:40 exarezee wrote:
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On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.

Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.

Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.


So paperscraps was suspicious in your eyes. Nothing has changed regarding paperscraps, as he hasn't posted till a few minutes ago. Why do you not have him in your sights anymore?

Mostly because I think you are scum and if you are scum, paperscraps is likely town.

Do you think I'm scum?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 18:43 GMT
#416
Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore?
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 18:44 GMT
#417
On July 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 03:40 exarezee wrote:
On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.

Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.

Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.


So paperscraps was suspicious in your eyes. Nothing has changed regarding paperscraps, as he hasn't posted till a few minutes ago. Why do you not have him in your sights anymore?

Mostly because I think you are scum and if you are scum, paperscraps is likely town.

Do you think I'm scum?


I think you're scum if paper is not scum. I think the chance of paper being scum is higher than your chance of being scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 27 2013 18:50 GMT
#418
On July 28 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote:
Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore?

He's on the same level as all my other reads that are relatively useless and post fluff. He has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes with his conversation prodding you. I'm trying to lynch scum and you are the closest thing to scum for me right now.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 27 2013 18:52 GMT
#419
On July 28 2013 03:50 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote:
Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore?

He's on the same level as all my other reads that are relatively useless and post fluff. He has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes with his conversation prodding you. I'm trying to lynch scum and you are the closest thing to scum for me right now.


Well, I've shown that three of your statements about me that are part of your case are completely wrong.

1. I did say something about koshi
2. I'm not trying to distance myself from you and throw soft accusations at you.
3. I had 3 people lean town on me when I made the post saying several people had town reads on me.

You got anything else?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 19:00 GMT
#420
On July 28 2013 03:50 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote:
Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore?

He's on the same level as all my other reads that are relatively useless and post fluff. He has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes with his conversation prodding you. I'm trying to lynch scum and you are the closest thing to scum for me right now.


Have you read the thread thoroughly? CJS has had more than one good conversation and has been by far the most useful town player in this game. If CJS is scum then he deserves a medal for this day 1 play.

Also, has this exchange with Exar made him look at all less scummy to you?
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