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On July 28 2013 05:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Yeah I'm just going to ignore everything VA says for the rest of the game. Sounds good?
@FirmTofu: Why in the bloody hell are you calling my play useless? You're the one who made 6-7 posts at the beginning of the game and then said "peace out". You are in no position to say I've been useless, because I haven't.
Oatsmaster, please stop posting one-liners and unhelpful things, it's continuing to look very scummy. Perhaps you should interact with other townies and their cases instead of asking everyone to comment on your case like some dog begging for its' next meal.
Also while I'm free for like ten minutes, this is a bad post.
Vayne can be hard to read but actually take the time to siphon through the terrible parts and he actually makes some good points usually. Haven't read him yet so I can't comment but if he isn't providing those good nuggets look into lynching him. Ignoring him is the dumbest and probably most anti-town thing you could do regarding him.
Overall this whole post does nothing towards reaching our win con. Noting this for later.
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On July 28 2013 08:48 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 05:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Yeah I'm just going to ignore everything VA says for the rest of the game. Sounds good?
@FirmTofu: Why in the bloody hell are you calling my play useless? You're the one who made 6-7 posts at the beginning of the game and then said "peace out". You are in no position to say I've been useless, because I haven't.
Oatsmaster, please stop posting one-liners and unhelpful things, it's continuing to look very scummy. Perhaps you should interact with other townies and their cases instead of asking everyone to comment on your case like some dog begging for its' next meal. Also while I'm free for like ten minutes, this is a bad post. Vayne can be hard to read but actually take the time to siphon through the terrible parts and he actually makes some good points usually. Haven't read him yet so I can't comment but if he isn't providing those good nuggets look into lynching him. Ignoring him is the dumbest and probably most anti-town thing you could do regarding him. Overall this whole post does nothing towards reaching our win con. Noting this for later.
Also while I'm free for like ten minutes, this is a bad post.
Overall this whole post does nothing towards reaching our win con. Noting this for later.
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Votecount so far:
Paperscraps (2)
hzflank
exarezee
justanothertownie
Oatsmaster
Clarity_nl (1)
VayneAuthority
Stutters695 (1)
Vivax
Oatsmaster (1)
Captain Jack
exarezee (1)
FirmTofu
Tell me if I missed anyone. Deadline is in !
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I'd say the best nuggets Vayne provided so far were gifs, pics, trolly stuff and a post about his scum meta.
That said, I endorse his lynch for today, and stutters' lynch as second option actually cause I can't tell if he's really busy or scum, but I know Vayne wasn't busy and still posted trash.
I suggest you all realize that D1 has serious potential to end up in a crapshoot, and that RNGing a lynch makes it more likely to hit scum than finding scum according to mafia database statistics.
I'm an adamant supporter of using D1's as vig shots in lack of a better lynch, and I'll admit it: In this spammy, short post and trolly town, I'm kinda still lacking of reliable clues on who could be likely scum, hence I propose we get rid of Vayne for posting shit. Jack Sparrow at least is improving when asked to.
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On July 28 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:
I'd say the best nuggets Vayne provided so far were gifs, pics, trolly stuff and a post about his scum meta.
That said, I endorse his lynch for today, and stutters' lynch as second option actually cause I can't tell if he's really busy or scum, but I know Vayne wasn't busy and still posted trash.
I suggest you all realize that D1 has serious potential to end up in a crapshoot, and that RNGing a lynch makes it more likely to hit scum than finding scum according to mafia database statistics.
I'm an adamant supporter of using D1's as vig shots in lack of a better lynch, and I'll admit it: In this spammy, short post and trolly town, I'm kinda still lacking of reliable clues on who could be likely scum, hence I propose we get rid of Vayne for posting shit. Jack Sparrow at least is improving when asked to.
Stutters has 3 posts. Why does he have to be busy or scum. There's also not a direct correspondence between trash posts and scum. If that were the case this game has about 7-8 scum in it.
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I have finally caught up! I wrote down some reads as I was catching up.
First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is.
hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground.
exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing.
One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction.
Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far.
Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree.
One great interaction I found so far was this.
On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum? You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum. Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad. Which of them is most likely to be scum?
This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't.
CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now.
Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what.
Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though.
Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far.
I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment.
Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through.
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@Paper
You see why people find you scummy. Because we missed your sarcasm. I pointed out those reasons. Yet you say that my push on you has no substance. Put yourself in my shoes. I do not know your alignment. If I am a town, does it make sense that I found your posts strange?
Can you elaborate on when I am being "so defensively"? I enjoy making arguments about logic and why someone would or would not do something as town or scum. I do not enjoy being attacked by people who make attacks that are based on false information.
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@Paper
I don't think any interaction between yourself and tofu make one of scum. It's both of your interactions with me at roughly the same time early in Day 1 that leads to my conclusion that one of you are scum.
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@exarezee
If I was in your shoes and looking at my early posts, I would have realized that they were way too over the top to be serious. I voted you and said lets "murder" this guy, haha. Obviously I am trying to get reactions, since you are being so serious right off the bat.
I still don't understand how Tofu and I voting around the same time makes at least one of us confirmed scum. That is a stretch. More realistically, it was too people voting a rather serious player who was posting in a very "pro-town" and "controlled" manner to get him to show some real reads and responses. It is easy to act pro-town and push on people with very little to go off of early off in the game.
You haven't wavered much in your general tone and seem to be stubborn which is good. If you took at step back and got some objectivity, I think it would go along way to help you out. You have been focused on Tofu and I and haven't really paused to look at others, which is always a good thing to do. If you still think I am the best lynch after reading other people's filters, then by all means keep voting me. I don't think that is likely at all though.
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@exar
About you being defensive. Tofu and I voted you, then you FoSed both of us. I mean that seems somewhat defensive to me. Just because you post things that are "pro-town" and maybe what you think people want to see, doesn't exclude you from being FoSed. I am wary of people who try to act overly town early on. Again I don't know if it is an act or genuine, hence a reason to vote you and elicit some type of reaction.
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Hmm if Vivax is scared of me he might be scum. Town Vivax does not base his lynches off who is shit posting. I actually wouldn't mind getting lynched first as I have a decent idea of who's scum at this point. Guess I'll have to see whether I need to divulge or not.
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On July 28 2013 11:17 Paperscraps wrote:
@exar
About you being defensive. Tofu and I voted you, then you FoSed both of us. I mean that seems somewhat defensive to me. Just because you post things that are "pro-town" and maybe what you think people want to see, doesn't exclude you from being FoSed. I am wary of people who try to act overly town early on. Again I don't know if it is an act or genuine, hence a reason to vote you and elicit some type of reaction.
I didn't FoS both of you after you guys voted me. I made a case at you because I had a scum read on you BEFORE you even voted me! Don't act like I did this out of spite. I didn't make a case on Tofu hardly at all. I pointed out one of his posts that I don't like.
You're wary of people who try to act pro-town? WTF. Sorry, I guess I'll joke around and roleplay and make jokes whole game. That will make the game easier to solve.
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On July 28 2013 11:12 Paperscraps wrote:
@exarezee
If I was in your shoes and looking at my early posts, I would have realized that they were way too over the top to be serious. I voted you and said lets "murder" this guy, haha. Obviously I am trying to get reactions, since you are being so serious right off the bat.
I still don't understand how Tofu and I voting around the same time makes at least one of us confirmed scum. That is a stretch. More realistically, it was too people voting a rather serious player who was posting in a very "pro-town" and "controlled" manner to get him to show some real reads and responses. It is easy to act pro-town and push on people with very little to go off of early off in the game.
You haven't wavered much in your general tone and seem to be stubborn which is good. If you took at step back and got some objectivity, I think it would go along way to help you out. You have been focused on Tofu and I and haven't really paused to look at others, which is always a good thing to do. If you still think I am the best lynch after reading other people's filters, then by all means keep voting me. I don't think that is likely at all though.
I haven't focused on Tofu at all basically. Most of my posts are responding to his attacks on me. What do you want me to look at objectively? Pretty sure I'm more objective that almost everyone. Please show me once in my posts where I have made a factual mistake. And I can point out at least 4 cases where people make factual mistakes in regards to me.
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Wait a second. Paperscraps said yesterday all of his votes..including his vote on me were all jokes. Now he says he did it to elicit a reaction.
SMH.
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On July 27 2013 11:41 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets all BW and murder this guy!
##Vote: exarezee
On July 27 2013 15:04 Paperscraps wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 13:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think any votes so far have been serious Agreed. The day has barely begun. If anyone has a serious FoS, they need to check themselves. Half the town hasn't even posted yet. I was hoping people would want to be a bit more "charismatic" today  , but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it. TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. ##UnvoteMy first real read of this game is that I like where Tofu's head is at so far. I kind of feel bad, that exar wasted his time dissecting my shenanigans, haha, but not too bad  .
On July 28 2013 11:17 Paperscraps wrote:
@exar
About you being defensive. Tofu and I voted you, then you FoSed both of us. I mean that seems somewhat defensive to me. Just because you post things that are "pro-town" and maybe what you think people want to see, doesn't exclude you from being FoSed. I am wary of people who try to act overly town early on. Again I don't know if it is an act or genuine, hence a reason to vote you and elicit some type of reaction.
I don't get it. So your vote on me was semi-serious in a joking way. Because you seem to say you wanted to get a reaction. But you also say you were joking in all your posts. Bolding this line for reference: TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all.
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Paper, I would have to disagree with a few of yer reads, and they are as follows:
Yer read on Oatsmaster is completely off. He has only made one read and his posting has been absolutely terrible. What in the world do you see in his filter that gives you the impression that his reads and posts are good?
Secondly, yer read on VayneAuthority is also absolute rubbish. You think his posts have been good? They've been absolute shit. His first post after your list was the only half-decent post VayneAuthority has given so far. That was a very generous town read on VayneAuthority.
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Also @Paper,
I would like a scumread, if you are still around. You had promised one to me, yet you don't give me one...and everyone calls me untrustworthy...
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Also...
##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow
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On July 28 2013 12:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Also @Paper,
I would like a scumread, if you are still around. You had promised one to me, yet you don't give me one...and everyone calls me untrustworthy...
Right now I would lynch Vivax followed by JAT. Vivax's push on Vayne seems like an excuse to just put a vote up. JAT hasn't added anything new to the thread. He has just regurgitated other people's FoSes in his own words. The only good thing JAT has done is nominate Jack for captain,
I would like rayn and Malongo to post more, before I actually made a decision.
Also I disagree on your read of Oats, I think he has contributed and I lean town on him. You should read through Vayne's filter, he posts some really good stuff if you look for it. I don't see him flipping scum right now.
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@Paperscraps
I REALLY hope that you aren't talking about posts like these...
On July 28 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:31 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 28 2013 00:31 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 28 2013 00:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 28 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 28 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne, try a bit please.
what do you think of justanothertownie? pretty useless I guess? Vig him if we have one. Don't waste a lynch on him. Would you mind telling us who you think is scum? Not quite yet. There's no reason to tell, only reason to show in this game as town. No reason to let yourself be manipulated by scum. I only do lists when I think I am about to die at night. So let me get this straight, you don't want to share your scum reads? And you are town because...? Of course. Why would I share all my scumreads? You only need my vote. I'm town because that's what my role PM said.
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