EPTi think BC and citizen have made a salient observation of youngminii's posting behavior, and it is currently the most interesting development to me. i await his inevitable response before i cast any judgments though, since i haven't played in a game with youngminii and they have.
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
i think BC and citizen have made a salient observation of youngminii's posting behavior, and it is currently the most interesting development to me. i await his inevitable response before i cast any judgments though, since i haven't played in a game with youngminii and they have. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On July 18 2010 16:35 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Pandain my statement was really not intended to support lynching Hyperbola specifically i think BC and citizen have made a salient observation of youngminii's posting behavior, and it is currently the most interesting development to me. i await his inevitable response before i cast any judgments though, since i haven't played in a game with youngminii and they have. Just read over DTA's game to get an idea where we are coming from. He pretty well single handedly won the game for town. Also for a new comer, really good play. That is generally where the train of though (from me anyway) is coming from. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On July 18 2010 16:27 Pandain wrote: Hmm good point, and I see where you are coming from. Point of information though, I believe I was only the 3rd person who voted for hyperbola. In fact, I had missed the original post calling out Hyperola and only when the other guy quoted it did I see it, find it reasonable, and decide to change my vote. However, I still find his statements to be at the very least questionable, and to quote a more expirenced than I mafia member: If you could provide sufficient persuasion arguing in favor of being ultra cautious and countering his statement, I would consider changing my mind to abstaining. I don't view hyperbola's play to be stupid actually. Not in comparison to a few other players I can think of thus far this game Divinek, zeks, and opz come to mind. Re read their posts to see why. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 18 2010 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I don't view hyperbola's play to be stupid actually. Not in comparison to a few other players I can think of thus far this game Divinek, zeks, and opz come to mind. Re read their posts to see why. Hmm... very interesting. *strokes chin* Well just to clear up possible misconceptions, basically the main reason I'm voting Hyperbola is because not only did he accuse Sinquity of mafia based on horrible evidence, he CONTINUED with it. Even after it was plainly proven that his evidence his horrible. now, I AM starting to think that he may just be stupid, in which case in light of INfuNdiBuLuMs most recent post may still be justifiable for voting. INfuNdiBuLuM, please clarify on this? Now, looking at Divinek's post in which he originally joined the vote against hyperola, we see HIS evidence: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 10:51 Divinek wrote: I actually have to really agree now that this has been pointed out. This is his first and only post, and it is posted in a manner to perhaps put himself just above the threshold of inactivity. And he then votes for someone for contributing and trying to help the town too much. Not to mention the post he's quoting as his 'reason' for voting is the very one that points out his own activity. Perhaps we can then put some more pressure on his inactive ass to give us any more substance. ##unvote ##vote hyperbola Note the bolded section, which is the basis of my evidence, and the italizied section, which is his. I do not so much agree at all with the italized section, merely distraught at Hyperolas actions so far. Hyperbola, you may clarify as well your reasoning against Sinquity. Now, until he offers more reasons why he's making these baseless accusations, or you offer evidence that it would be better NOT to lynch him due to his actions(I'm open to changing my vote of course if persuaded), my vote stands. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 18 2010 16:07 Bill Murray wrote: good idea, spoil that shit, bro! You might wanna put a spoiler description. Please do. Otherwise people might think it is something important to the game that you just compacted to have it not take up a ton of space. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 18 2010 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I don't view hyperbola's play to be stupid actually. Not in comparison to a few other players I can think of thus far this game Divinek, zeks, and opz come to mind. Re read their posts to see why. Hmm, opz is definitely stupid. On July 18 2010 03:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote: Chaoser He's mafia. Also, other mafia, = Darth, and Infundiblum. Trust me. But at the same time that could just mean he's mafia too or thats (bad) sarcasm. Another post: On July 18 2010 16:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote BC -_- I have never liked your writing style from any game. From my perspective it makes perfect sense BC. But I guess it would only make sense to me....Lolz Stupid too, accusing more people. Either mafia, really stupid, or really really bad sarcasm/jokes. As for the other two people, Divinek isn't neccesarily stupid. He has evidence, maybe his points are a bit off, but he's not the malicious stupid(mafia alert!) like Opz or Hyperbola is. As for zeks, why so is he stupid? He's made short posts, but if you think he's stupid because he voted hyperola, still sort of flimsy. He very well could be, so perhaps zeks too should clarify why he voted Hyperbola. Defend yourself Zeks or Die!  | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
I'd like to hear why foolishness is so quiet this game. I've seen him in games as green and games as blue (DT). Both times he was really active and talkative and was somewhat of a leader with plans and so on. I've never seen him quiet and I've never seen him red. Could be an irl thing, could be something else. Darth...'s plan to "maximize" deaths on Day 1 strikes me as poor thinking. I get that it gets us information, so this could certainly be a townie sentiment. However, I've been red in many past games and I often got pissed off at how much harder it could be to win with just one more townie alive at the end, due to a non-lynch or something similar. At this point, my vote really is between Darth and hyperbola because it seems too late to rally the town anywhere else. Hyperbola strikes me as green running mouth. The reactions to that at least give the town something, even if he's red. Darth's hanging back and saying something that could be a subtle red move or a legitimate townie move. Yeah I double checked his other posts, and everything else is Darth clown spamming. As someone nicely put it: he's playing like Chezinu. So I can't be made to feel guilty about voting for him. ##unvote ##vote DarthTheinAn | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 18 2010 17:34 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: My thoughts: hyperbola is prolly just a quick trigger townie; I'd think a mafia would be too skittish to CONTINUE with it, especially when voting is so thin at this point. Mafia wouldn't have to be desperate as of now. Townie or red, hyperbola is obviously desperate now, with so many votes against him. But the desperation started and caused the bandwagon (according to Pandain). When the hyperbola bandwagon started, voting was evened out so there wouldn't be a need for mafia to bandwagon on someone. Mafia don't really tend to bandwagon anyone day one, at least they don't start the first bandwagon. They might start a second bandwagon to save someone's ass. Doesn't really help prove anyone innocent but I think hyperbola's behavior could be townie and the voting against him could be townie too. In better words, neither action really stick out at me as suspicious but no one's exonerated. Maybe if a team of people desperately work to save him there could be something going on. I'd like to hear why foolishness is so quiet this game. I've seen him in games as green and games as blue (DT). Both times he was really active and talkative and was somewhat of a leader with plans and so on. I've never seen him quiet and I've never seen him red. Could be an irl thing, could be something else. Darth...'s plan to "maximize" deaths on Day 1 strikes me as poor thinking. I get that it gets us information, so this could certainly be a townie sentiment. However, I've been red in many past games and I often got pissed off at how much harder it could be to win with just one more townie alive at the end, due to a non-lynch or something similar. At this point, my vote really is between Darth and hyperbola because it seems too late to rally the town anywhere else. Hyperbola strikes me as green running mouth. The reactions to that at least give the town something, even if he's red. Darth's hanging back and saying something that could be a subtle red move or a legitimate townie move. Yeah I double checked his other posts, and everything else is Darth clown spamming. As someone nicely put it: he's playing like Chezinu. So I can't be made to feel guilty about voting for him. ##unvote ##vote DarthTheinAn Wait what? I thought he was joking? Why would somone honestly want to maximize deaths? | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
Also, abstaining is kind of stupid. Will vote later tonight. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Anyway, what's with Opz randomly saying everyone should PM him? Is he some mafia veteran god? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, why would you even try and ask that? Do you honestly think people will PM you or are you scum trying to bait the newbies for some free blue kills? @ Subversion: There's been nothing interesting. You're clearly misreading the thread if you see anything interesting because it's a bunch of people (including myself) in complete disarray talking about stuff that no one else agrees with. As for hyperbola's bandwagon: it has absolutely no reasoning behind it but it is day 1. I'd prefer abstaining/lynching someone that's about to be modkilled but so many of you are against that with no good reason and decide to lynch someone based on the smallest reasoning founded on RVS. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
if the question you are asking is "do i think hyperbola's post was stupid?", then i'd have to answer "yes." i'm never one to hastily champion any cause though, and i think the voting train on hyperbola was far too early. Say a better target comes along, it can be hard to get enough people to change their votes. As it is, Hyperbola has been pretty unhelpful so far, whether he is town side or not, so i can't say i'd be too upset if he dies. Pyrr's vote is interesting because DTA is also unhelpful, but I thought DTA was joking too. We all know sarcasm doesn't translate too well as text, but i thought that was easy to pick up. But pyrr is right about the rest of his posts. I'm going out for the rest of the day and i dunno if i'll be back in time for the deadline. I'm gonna put my vote on youngminii, just in case anything happens in that direction. Otherwise i hope you guys are smart enough not to screw things up while i'm gone :p #vote youngminii | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
anyway your defense up there only addresses 1 thing that BC and citizen pointed out, which was the initial sentence. maybe you were joking (a reasonable explanation, i do admit, and i read it that way at first for what it's worth), maybe you weren't. but what about asking the already answered questions? what about obvious blue advice that any blue knows? what about telling the town it's a good idea to abstain? (it's not) citizen didn't say that you weren't strong as i saw it, rather he said those kinds of mistakes were not something he would expect from you. see, this is why i wrote that "just in case," since i know i'm not gonna be here my vote has a chance of being useless so i'm taking a gambit with a person that i think could be a lynch target as the night deadline rolls around. i knew you would come and have something to say; obviously just not this soon (sooner than me lol). sorry, but you haven't convinced me to move my vote. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Obvious blue advice? Really? Do you honestly believe that all 30 people in this thread know exactly how to play blue? Do you really think that each and every new person in here knows how to play their role perfectly? So in the case of all 30 people knowing the exact way to play without any discussions as to any plans we should just leave it at that and not discuss our options? You can't be that stupid, I refuse to believe it. Also, what already answered questions? Back up your statements with evidence please. How is telling the town to abstain not a good idea? I'm willing to accept criticism of my ideas, but I'm not willing to just sit back and watch as someone comes in, votes for me as a placeholder in case a bandwagon is formed on me (which I suppose is pre-emptive bandwagoning) and then says my ideas are not good. Information Instead of Analysis. In fact, IIoA is a big scumtell in my experiences in other mafia sites (not sure about TL since this site is actually quite a lot different). I never said citi.zen said I was good. In fact, I implied citi.zen said I was quite bad. I don't critique citi.zen's play because as far as I can tell, people seem to believe his meta is good but if he continues to critique me, so be it. I don't care. Your 'just in case' is the same as bandwagoning, except you're doing it early. You think there might be a chance that people will start voting for me so you put your vote on me 'just in case'. Biggest hidden form of bandwagoning imo. My conclusion: You're either a really bad scum, really bad townie, or a fucking bad blue. ##Bote infundibulum | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
this whole supposed "bandwagon" wasn't exactly bad - at lesat it got hyperbola talking and it got us somewhere - rather than the 1 vote everywhere its important to not bandwagon but its also important to have a unified town when necessary. my vote won't be on Hyperbola tonight you can guarantee it. Just give me a couple hours to see who's a better target. | ||
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. I had unvoted you too.
