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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2013 21:04 GMT
#381
Anyway BH, I'm suspicious of you because your contributions to this game so far have been incredibly lacking. You've made a town-case on me, launched on what I perceive to be a really bad tunnel of Oats, and made a bunch of one-lined troll remarks.

Furthermore, your attitude in pushing Oats seemed like you were more interested in provoking him and pissing him off rather than actually calling him scum and pushing his lynch.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:05 GMT
#382
ah, yes yes I'll for realz get right on it. it's this post right http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=336&topic_id=415754
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:06 GMT
#383
On June 11 2013 06:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway BH, I'm suspicious of you because your contributions to this game so far have been incredibly lacking. You've made a town-case on me, launched on what I perceive to be a really bad tunnel of Oats, and made a bunch of one-lined troll remarks.

Furthermore, your attitude in pushing Oats seemed like you were more interested in provoking him and pissing him off rather than actually calling him scum and pushing his lynch.


Dude, I literally dont' know what to tell you other than that oats started it and I have been reasonable and backed off of him the first time when I realized my initial case was bad. And also, shit man what do you think my goal was to piss oats off and stop him from contributing all the useful stuff he normally does?
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GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 10 2013 21:07 GMT
#384
Yes, that would be the post, thank you.

While you are at it, Blazinghand, are you the type to back down when admonished?
Does this Hapahaulli play the role of 'thread police' often?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:08 GMT
#385
To be clear: if there was someone in this thread worth (as scum) disrupting and getting into a shitfest, hapa, that person would almost certainly be you, since you're town and you're also good, and you seemed quite determined to get into a shitfest with me. Like what possible reason would I have to disrupt and demoralize Oats as opposed to like you
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 10 2013 21:08 GMT
#386
On June 11 2013 05:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats fine hap, if no roleblock is claimed tomorrow kill BH. If his scumslip is real scum is goon, framer, gf team so my role isnt that great anyway. im dead tonight unless we have medic so glhf. my last post for today

Sorry I'm still catching up. What scum slip/how does a rb claim affect it? Don't both sides have a potential roleblock?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:08 GMT
#387
On June 11 2013 06:07 GravityMan wrote:
Yes, that would be the post, thank you.

While you are at it, Blazinghand, are you the type to back down when admonished?
Does this Hapahaulli play the role of 'thread police' often?


No I usually don't back down when admonished. I don't remember if hapa plays the 'thread police' very often but he seems unusually butthurt this game so just be nice to him.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:08 GMT
#388
On June 11 2013 06:08 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 05:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats fine hap, if no roleblock is claimed tomorrow kill BH. If his scumslip is real scum is goon, framer, gf team so my role isnt that great anyway. im dead tonight unless we have medic so glhf. my last post for today

Sorry I'm still catching up. What scum slip/how does a rb claim affect it? Don't both sides have a potential roleblock?


scumslips don't exist. are we going to have to do this again?
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GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 10 2013 21:12 GMT
#389
On June 11 2013 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 06:07 GravityMan wrote:
Yes, that would be the post, thank you.

While you are at it, Blazinghand, are you the type to back down when admonished?
Does this Hapahaulli play the role of 'thread police' often?


No I usually don't back down when admonished. I don't remember if hapa plays the 'thread police' very often but he seems unusually butthurt this game so just be nice to him.

Interesting.
This term 'butthurt' is new to me.

Let me sync up with an online database.
Butthurt: An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."
Adam got butthurt when Mike stole his bitch.

Do you think that this Hapahauli is personally insulted by your play or shamed by it? He certainly does not seem to me ceasing communication.

As far as being nice is concerned, my AI did not include high levels of emotional response. I suppose I have behaved thus far in a way one might deem as 'being nice,' yet I do not know if I have the capability to cause one to be 'butthurt.'
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 10 2013 21:13 GMT
#390
On June 11 2013 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 06:08 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 11 2013 05:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats fine hap, if no roleblock is claimed tomorrow kill BH. If his scumslip is real scum is goon, framer, gf team so my role isnt that great anyway. im dead tonight unless we have medic so glhf. my last post for today

Sorry I'm still catching up. What scum slip/how does a rb claim affect it? Don't both sides have a potential roleblock?


scumslips don't exist. are we going to have to do this again?

I'm aware of what happened last time. I haven't gotten to what he's talking about yet, I'm just refreshing the current page while I catch up to try and not fall further behind.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2013 21:15 GMT
#391
On June 11 2013 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 06:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway BH, I'm suspicious of you because your contributions to this game so far have been incredibly lacking. You've made a town-case on me, launched on what I perceive to be a really bad tunnel of Oats, and made a bunch of one-lined troll remarks.

Furthermore, your attitude in pushing Oats seemed like you were more interested in provoking him and pissing him off rather than actually calling him scum and pushing his lynch.


Dude, I literally dont' know what to tell you other than that oats started it and I have been reasonable and backed off of him the first time when I realized my initial case was bad. And also, shit man what do you think my goal was to piss oats off and stop him from contributing all the useful stuff he normally does?


That still doesn't change the fact that you've done very little. While you've no doubt made a scene in previous games that you're capable of such things as town on Day 1, it's still terrible play and makes it impossible to reliably read you.

Can I expect you to be an active contributor tomorrow?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:16 GMT
#392
On June 11 2013 04:00 GravityMan wrote:
Given recent developments, I find this line of questioning more pertinent than ever.
Blazinghand, I ask politely that you respond to the following section of my earlier post.
Show nested quote +

Related to this is the answer given to me by this Blazinghand regarding his top mayoral candidates. He goes into great detail explaining his regard for this Hapahauli and his seemingly monstrous ego belies what he thinks of himself, which is acceptable, though I do not feel the same earnestness when he speaks of this VayneAuthority.

As for VA, I have been nothing but impressed by his play that I've seen. He's been a capable scumhunter, and he utterly hoodwinked me in Les Mafia. Whereas most of the player list is cluttered with jubjubs and followers (if you're reading this, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the other guys), VA is smart. He's not a veteran in terms of games played but for his excellent play in my interactions with him I consider him a vet. That being said, the guy DID utterly hoodwink me, which means the fact that I have a townread on him is meaningless. I can't catch him when he's scum-- or at least, not yet. Anyone that good I'd keep an eye on-- but if he's town, he can use the power wisely. Given my strong townread on hapa though I see no reason to entrust VA with the power.

He brings up a past in game in which he was impressed by this VayneAuthority's play as a man of the scum variety, yet nebulously brings up the interactions he has with the man regarding his town play and his scumhunting. I have not seen anything this game that shows this as evident, therefore I must believe he is impressed with VayneAuthroity's play from past games, yet why not reference these and only the scum game? It is also curious that right at the end of this paragraph he seems to back up on the strength of his lauding of this VayneAuthority saying he sees to no reason to entrust him with the mayoral candidacy...could this be because he also realizes right here that his scum game is what is most to be feared from the man and not the strength of his town game?

I also personally have not seen anything from this VayneAuthority this game that shows him to be a strong town player; he himself admits to me that he is a much better scum player than town player and plays the way he does simply to survive. I do not regard this as strong town play, yet this Blazinghand does, for unknown reasons.


Yeah so basically I initially said this:

On June 10 2013 03:22 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not complacent with blindly voting him, but that is because I don't see anyone here as qualified to be mayor except for me, hapa, and VA-- and until I have solid townreads on either of them the only trustworthy one of the lot is me.


because coming into this blind I percieved 3 players who I've played with before who are good. Me, hapa, Vayne. The initial statement was "i'd only consider these 3" since they're the only qualified ones. Hapa and me for obvious reasons, vayne because he schooled me last game. Now, I don't know if i came off correctly when I was trying to explain why i was voting hapa and vayne, but basically i was saying "vayne is qualified, but have a townread on hapa". the idea is that i think (or thought, at the time ) of vayne as a good player based on my previous play. As a scum player he looked a lot like a town player, and yeah obviously that wasn't a town game but a guy that smart has gotta make a good town player, right?

well apparently not, he claimed cop D1. so yeah, vote hapa
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:17 GMT
#393
On June 11 2013 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 11 2013 06:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway BH, I'm suspicious of you because your contributions to this game so far have been incredibly lacking. You've made a town-case on me, launched on what I perceive to be a really bad tunnel of Oats, and made a bunch of one-lined troll remarks.

Furthermore, your attitude in pushing Oats seemed like you were more interested in provoking him and pissing him off rather than actually calling him scum and pushing his lynch.


Dude, I literally dont' know what to tell you other than that oats started it and I have been reasonable and backed off of him the first time when I realized my initial case was bad. And also, shit man what do you think my goal was to piss oats off and stop him from contributing all the useful stuff he normally does?


That still doesn't change the fact that you've done very little. While you've no doubt made a scene in previous games that you're capable of such things as town on Day 1, it's still terrible play and makes it impossible to reliably read you.

Can I expect you to be an active contributor tomorrow?


The answer to this question regardless of my alignment is "yes" but for reasonableness' sake, yes, you can expect me to continue to contribute tomorrow.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2013 21:25 GMT
#394
BH, do you have any reads besides jampi?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:37 GMT
#395
nope not yet
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2013 21:38 GMT
#396
Surely you can give me something. All I know is that you think jampi is scum, I'm town, and that Oats is oats.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:40 GMT
#397
i also think vayne is town!
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2013 21:40 GMT
#398
Ok other than the obvious...

Howabout GravityMan? Surely there's enough in his filter for you to give me an opinion.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 10 2013 21:42 GMT
#399
yeah i'm eating dinner atm but i'll go take a look and give an opinion.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 10 2013 21:46 GMT
#400
On June 11 2013 06:16 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 04:00 GravityMan wrote:
Given recent developments, I find this line of questioning more pertinent than ever.
Blazinghand, I ask politely that you respond to the following section of my earlier post.

Related to this is the answer given to me by this Blazinghand regarding his top mayoral candidates. He goes into great detail explaining his regard for this Hapahauli and his seemingly monstrous ego belies what he thinks of himself, which is acceptable, though I do not feel the same earnestness when he speaks of this VayneAuthority.

As for VA, I have been nothing but impressed by his play that I've seen. He's been a capable scumhunter, and he utterly hoodwinked me in Les Mafia. Whereas most of the player list is cluttered with jubjubs and followers (if you're reading this, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the other guys), VA is smart. He's not a veteran in terms of games played but for his excellent play in my interactions with him I consider him a vet. That being said, the guy DID utterly hoodwink me, which means the fact that I have a townread on him is meaningless. I can't catch him when he's scum-- or at least, not yet. Anyone that good I'd keep an eye on-- but if he's town, he can use the power wisely. Given my strong townread on hapa though I see no reason to entrust VA with the power.

He brings up a past in game in which he was impressed by this VayneAuthority's play as a man of the scum variety, yet nebulously brings up the interactions he has with the man regarding his town play and his scumhunting. I have not seen anything this game that shows this as evident, therefore I must believe he is impressed with VayneAuthroity's play from past games, yet why not reference these and only the scum game? It is also curious that right at the end of this paragraph he seems to back up on the strength of his lauding of this VayneAuthority saying he sees to no reason to entrust him with the mayoral candidacy...could this be because he also realizes right here that his scum game is what is most to be feared from the man and not the strength of his town game?

I also personally have not seen anything from this VayneAuthority this game that shows him to be a strong town player; he himself admits to me that he is a much better scum player than town player and plays the way he does simply to survive. I do not regard this as strong town play, yet this Blazinghand does, for unknown reasons.


Yeah so basically I initially said this:

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 03:22 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not complacent with blindly voting him, but that is because I don't see anyone here as qualified to be mayor except for me, hapa, and VA-- and until I have solid townreads on either of them the only trustworthy one of the lot is me.


because coming into this blind I percieved 3 players who I've played with before who are good. Me, hapa, Vayne. The initial statement was "i'd only consider these 3" since they're the only qualified ones. Hapa and me for obvious reasons, vayne because he schooled me last game. Now, I don't know if i came off correctly when I was trying to explain why i was voting hapa and vayne, but basically i was saying "vayne is qualified, but have a townread on hapa". the idea is that i think (or thought, at the time ) of vayne as a good player based on my previous play. As a scum player he looked a lot like a town player, and yeah obviously that wasn't a town game but a guy that smart has gotta make a good town player, right?

well apparently not, he claimed cop D1. so yeah, vote hapa

I am not sure your answer is sufficient.
You said you were impressed by his play. Are you referring to the single game in which he 'hoodwinked' you as scum? Were there not other games in which he played with you? How did he perform in those games?
You call him a veteran in terms of play. I have seen what a 'veteran' such as this Hapahauli is capable of and this VayneAuthority has shown nothing by comparison. Given the way you view yourself as similar to this 'veteran' status, I find it very hard to believe you'd lightly throw a term like this around and give it to VayneAuthority when it is extremely clear to one such as me that he does not deserve it. You are capable of fairly good analysis, I assume? Why give this VayneAuthority such an honoured title that early in the game without any real analysis or reasoning?

You seem to me as someone who does not enjoy being proven wrong. Am I wrong about this? You have admitted you were wrong about the town play skills of this VayneAuthority so this must not have been easy for you to do---you only admitted to it when I repeatedly brought it to the attention of the thread. You seemed perfectly content to move on to your new read of calling him 'bad' without drawing attention to your mistake.

On that note it seems very easy for you to do as such; calling people 'jubjubs,' appears to denote your perceived superiority towards other people in the thread, yet you cower and back down not unlike a dog who has urinated on clean upholstery being scolded by its master when confronted by this Hapahauli. Would it be fair to assume you will only attack those whom you perceive to be 'beneath you?' Is this more likely to be a scum or town trait, or is it non-alignment indicative?

What I am truly unsure about is the degree to which you actually care about your ego. I would think you're more likely to discard this ego as a scum player in favor of lying, but I cannot, of course, be sure.
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