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prequel: as I wrote this, I can feel in my bones, I will be brain farting this morning. If what is say is more  that usual ask, at sometime appropriate. Were kinda busy now.
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Ok, I am here again. its 9am where I live barring coffees, I should be here for Lynch.
I have read the thread once. As a reminder to myself and the thread, stuff has happened between my last post and here.
(yeah obv is obv) but no matter how hard I or you try everybody ought read this bit again after lynch. (yeah obv is obv) I am still rubbing sleep out of my eyes. The sorts of things i wont see is,second order effects, which people didnt push stuff, but muddied the waters.
Anyways: First order of business, because for me its simplest. I have not seen anything I noticed that, in anyway convinced me to change my mayor vote. So vote on Hapa stays, and is reaffirmed as current.
Hapa For mayor.
+ Show Spoiler [ignorable as long as hapa is mayor] +
Lots of stuff hasn't been said about this: so i will quickly. What if the mayoral power is immunity to cop checks.(although our cop having claimed probably wont get to be that useful.) Anyway I always liked hapa for mayor, for the other obv reasons but also because (even I was wrong and he's scum) I think wed still work it out, as he posts so many reads.
Conversely putting someone like Vayne, who Bh says fooled him last time in as mayor where powers might leave us up the creek. Also given Vayne closed, style of play, nah not mayor. Too much risk. Remember way back when I (I think) flagged risk benefit analysis for mayor, this is the kind of stuff thinking I meant.
Hapa for mayor.
Potentially viable(someone wanted/was pushing them) lynches when I went to bed, included :
Re: Oats vs BH that occupied me last up.
BH: Reading through the thread once. Gut read. I still wouldn't lynch him today, period. hes probably townier than that but that is irrelevant if I am just not going to vote to lynch him.
Oats: Like I said I cant usually gut read oats, as i have to read him(the whole thread in context) specifically only thinking about his motives. However, didnt want to lynch him yesterday wouldnt today.
There had been stuff on jampi, I wasn't keen at the time, so I didn't vote, indeed for time i was worried by the looming concept of lurker lynches. We had two back then, Shiaopi and DP. DP is being replaced, so that ought be off in case the replacement plays and is readable town.
Shioapi appearing like that after so long rubs me wrong, but i think its me thing not a proper feel.
Vayne: I know i cant do a gut read on this, but logic tells me we cant lynch a cop claim much to much risk. basically
Not Lynch: Elapsed time is very likely to resolve the situation with a high degree of certainty, and scum is given harder choices.
whereas lynch: if he's the cop, then we lose the cop AND scum is free to kill a high priority good player target. That would be bad.
So i cant vote vayne:
##vote: jampidampi
A said i am here. I will be trying to critically analyse the newer stuff said on jampi unlessomeones talking.
Indeed the trhead probably moved since i started writing.
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Actually changed my mind, going to find smaller things to respond to, going turtle and thinking hard wont work in this time frame.
On June 11 2013 06:08 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 05:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats fine hap, if no roleblock is claimed tomorrow kill BH. If his scumslip is real scum is goon, framer, gf team so my role isnt that great anyway. im dead tonight unless we have medic so glhf. my last post for today Sorry I'm still catching up. What scum slip/how does a rb claim affect it? Don't both sides have a potential roleblock?
I don't know for sure, Vayne would have to explain what he meant but it seems he doesn't. (aka please do)
I saw that as I read here is what i recall of my guess. Vayne is heavily into vote analysis, kill analysis, and guessign at the setup. it appears to work where he comes from, how it can work here where scum players make their decision for different priorities remains a mystery to me.
My guess was, BH was saying stuff about what ought happen, Vayne (guessed) BH was scum, and that he knew what roles scum had, and so was doing whatever it was BH did just before that as part of some scum plan, and that somehow this had let vayne reverse engineer the setup. it didnt read as valid analysis. I could be wrong but it seemed to align with a vayne survival motivation.
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On June 11 2013 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
the point is at the start of the game I thought VA would be a good town player.
Curious, i think your observation was of his scum game,
could he have been a good scum player, whose skills wouldn't translate well to being good town.
If he played his town game with meta that looked like the scum game you played with him, would it
have been good town play?
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make sure you vote in the voting thread Axle
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On June 11 2013 07:47 Hapahauli wrote:
half this thread is annoyingly lurky
yeah, at the moment, 2hrs 20 to Lynch and i just spammed the thread !!
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On June 11 2013 08:41 Hapahauli wrote:
make sure you vote in the voting thread Axle
brain fart.
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Blazinghand
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On June 11 2013 08:39 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
the point is at the start of the game I thought VA would be a good town player. Curious, i think your observation was of his scum game, could he have been a good scum player, whose skills wouldn't translate well to being good town. If he played his town game with meta that looked like the scum game you played with him, would it have been good town play?
Depends whether it was orange or green or red on the venn diagram. I mean, the way he played in the scum game was that he seemed helpful and made me think he was town. So yes, if he played as he did in his scum game, that is to say, he seemed helpful and made me think he was town, I would have thought he was town, since by definitions i'd think he was town. I wouldn't call him out for playing poorly.
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Gonna grab dinner. I'll be back in an hour or two.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
well stuff went down while I was asleep I guess.
Jampis vote does look terrible so I am willing to off him as well, but I'd like him to pop back into the thread and try to explain. I am currently on my phone right now and will be for most of the day, so can't do too much rereading filterdiving atm. I am here though and will keep checking the thread.
##unvote lynch
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Ok... day 1 claim is unfortunate 
##unvote is the obvious first move
GravityMan:
On June 11 2013 01:14 GravityMan wrote:
Sylencia.
Hello. If you are not currently otherwise occupied, I have some queries for you that I feel would help me gain a better understand of you. If you would answer them I would be greatly pleased.
Do you have any reads on scum other than this VayneAuthority?
What do you make of the altercation between the Oatsmaster and this Blazinghand?
You mention that you are often lynched early in other games. Why is this?
1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out.
2) That argument was actually rather annoying - flamefests just spam up the thread uselessly and demoralises the town side most of the time. I don't even feel like there was anything productive that came from it...
3) Lurkerish, lynchbait, scum jump on my weak cases etc. etc.
Unless Jampi shows up soon (he said he would be here around now right?), I'm going to put a vote on him going mostly on Hapa's reasoning.
##vote Jampi
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
now onto ehom to mayor. I dont think that we should mayor vayne. His townplay until now has been fucking terrible. Hapa is currently locked in to get it whoch is ok, though not my first choice better than any other alteenative besides me.
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On June 11 2013 09:31 ShiaoPi wrote:
now onto ehom to mayor. I dont think that we should mayor vayne. His townplay until now has been fucking terrible. Hapa is currently locked in to get it whoch is ok, though not my first choice better than any other alteenative besides me.
You really have no room to call me terrible when you led the fucking lynch on me, BH is excused but not you. Sorry that you jump to conclusions and can't actually scumhunt champ =(
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On June 11 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 09:31 ShiaoPi wrote:
now onto ehom to mayor. I dont think that we should mayor vayne. His townplay until now has been fucking terrible. Hapa is currently locked in to get it whoch is ok, though not my first choice better than any other alteenative besides me. You really have no room to call me terrible when you led the fucking lynch on me, BH is excused but not you. Sorry that you jump to conclusions and can't actually scumhunt champ =(
you cant seriously say that your play was optimal town. If you seriously believe that you are deluded. My case was legit, its just common sense not to lynch the cop claim
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On June 11 2013 09:38 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 11 2013 09:31 ShiaoPi wrote:
now onto ehom to mayor. I dont think that we should mayor vayne. His townplay until now has been fucking terrible. Hapa is currently locked in to get it whoch is ok, though not my first choice better than any other alteenative besides me. You really have no room to call me terrible when you led the fucking lynch on me, BH is excused but not you. Sorry that you jump to conclusions and can't actually scumhunt champ =( you cant seriously say that your play was optimal town. If you seriously believe that you are deluded. My case was legit, its just common sense not to lynch the cop claim
If that's your logic then bussing must be the ultimate weapon against you. This guy killed scum for us! that is optimal for town! he must be town! No thats not how it works. Bad play does not equal scum. In fact it's usually the opposite in games outside of newbies. Town is more likely to just post what they want while scum want to look as pro-town as possible and avoid looking suspicious.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
where does bussing matter if I am saying you played scummy as fuck?!
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Overloading power onto one player (mayor blue) always seemed like a bad idea anyways right, especially if they have a chance of just dying after tonight.
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Blazinghand
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On June 11 2013 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:
brb dinner
That's a lot of dinner d00d.
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On June 11 2013 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:
brb dinner
Is there some way for you to prove to those of us present that you are actually consuming nutrients at the moment?
A picture would suffice.
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