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LOL Lumix randoming Z...Hope they were good games
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Not game 2 lol
C Ranks Teamleague Season 1 - Page 20
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Sero
United States692 Posts
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
The Big Reveal As some of you may be aware, + Show Spoiler + Team Stealth Bunnies lost to Team Rocket Reborn 2-3 However, the handsome WandS was very suspicious (as was XaXo, who swore the player he played against was uber gosu and definitely not a C- level player like BaBo, but then he lost so that's ignorable ;D) and checked the replay. 400 APM made him suspicious, so he checked against an sGs.BaBo replay. The hotkeys, APM, and action distribution were totally different. He asked me to help him compare the replays of BaBo that I had with the XaXo vs ][-][ero replay. Indeed, they were totally different. Then he thought of another Protoss player with ~400 APM that had been involved with the C Ranks Team League. Minister! Now, Minister was previously banned from CRTL for claiming to be a C- player when he had reached B- before. He gathered up three more replays of Minister and compared. The hotkey patterns, APM, and action distribution were exactly the same as the ][-][ero replay! + Show Spoiler [Proof] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5Wo99IV.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CzMy5bq.png) WandS and I were now thoroughly suspicious of this player. I confirmed with BaBo that it was in fact his account: ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/38AkT.png) Yup! ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/38AnI.png) There's the 25-2 stats he was talking about. WandS then asked two different iCCup administrators to check the IPs of Minister and ][-][ero's last login. REMOVED AT REQUEST OF ICCUP ADMIN (my bad). Yup! They're the same. So now we have it confirmed that Minister played instead of BaBo against XaXo! As to how this happened according to BaBo: He was called into work about half an hour before the scheduled game. He didn't want there to be a walkover win so he posted in his team's Skype chat what his username and password were for ][-][ero and told them he had to go to work (he ended up playing a KotH with greenelve and Nagisama for the next hour before leaving for work, plenty of time to play his game...). He actually logged off his sGs.Babo account at this stage, after I messaged him on iCCup asking when he was playing. So he played one game of his KotH, then I messaged him and he logged off that account, and continued with his KotH. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/39xyl.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/39xrC.png) Then SlowBullets, team captain of Team Rocket Reborn, told me that Minister was in their Skype chat (wut why...). ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/39xuo.png) So according to BaBo, his only crime was to post his user ID and pass in the chat group to prevent walkover (still pretty awful). Then Minister saw the username and password and proceeded to log on and play the game vs XaXo. L3gendary has allowed the game to be changed into a win for Stealth Bunnies. BaBo/Team Rocket Reborn will be in a lot worse trouble if it turns out that Minister also played in the Nando(OD) vs ][-][ero game too. Still waiting on that replay. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9505 Posts
On June 06 2013 20:10 Birdie wrote: As to how this happened according to BaBo: He was called into work about half an hour before the scheduled game. He didn't want there to be a walkover win so he posted in his team's Skype chat what his username and password were for ][-][ero and told them he had to go to work (he ended up playing a KotH with greenelve and Nagisama for the next hour before leaving for work, plenty of time to play his game...). He actually logged off his sGs.Babo account at this stage, after I messaged him on iCCup asking when he was playing. So he played one game of his KotH, then I messaged him and he logged off that account, and continued with his KotH. This has never happened (maybe I overlooked it because I didn't really read the team chat too carefully). And I have no idea where did you get that screenshot because it's not what it says in my skype history. Here's direct screenshot from my skype: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/W3Bhvc9.png) On June 06 2013 20:10 Birdie wrote: Then SlowBullets, team captain of Team Rocket Reborn, told me that Minister was in their Skype chat (wut why...). I don't really know who Minister is, but I'm pretty sure he was never in our skype chat (definitely not in time of this incident). Quick search for word "minister" in my skype history brings me to this chat when Minister got banned from CRTL: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/b06ogda.png) Now I have no idea what really happened, nor do I really care, but just thought to set some things straight ^^ | ||
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oovv
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
This has never happened (maybe I overlooked it because I didn't really read the team chat too carefully). And I have no idea where did you get that screenshot because it's not what it says in my skype history. Here's direct screenshot from my skype: Then BaBo quickly photoshopped it together, or else Skype didn't update it properly. SlowBullets said that Minister is in the group, I'm not in it so I can't confirm or deny it other than the screenshot of what he said to me. Would suck if he's implicated too in this, because then there's three cheaters. | ||
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ihufa
Denmark79 Posts
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Jealous
10154 Posts
t0ssboy, I have no need to smurf against you, and I didn't allow my account to be used because I was scared of losing a game (how silly a notion). I allowed it to be used to prevent receiving a W/O loss. If you feel like calling it off, you can do so. But you can also request IP confirmation, which should be easy to do, or do a rep analysis, which is also easy. Once again, I apologize to the league for the situation. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:00 Jealous wrote: I apologize for my lack of integrity. It is my fault. I was only trying to cover for my team - didn't want them to receive a W/O loss at a crucial time; if I had missed an already PP'd game I'm sure that's grounds for W/O, or at least I would take one. I couldn't miss work either; it is often that players arrive late to PP'd matches, so there was no guarantee that I'd be able to finish the game and make it to the bus stop. I kept playing the KotH because those were games I could leave whenever without any penalty on anyone else. I know it was a scumbag thing to do, and I have already talked to L3g and I am banned from CRTL. I honestly do feel terrible for the situation; I have played honest games in DRTL for over a year, but like hackers, one mistake can permanently mar a reputation. As I was retiring DRTL after this season anyway, you guys don't have to deal with me anymore, hooray! t0ssboy, I have no need to smurf against you, and I didn't allow my account to be used because I was scared of losing a game (how silly a notion). I allowed it to be used to prevent receiving a W/O loss. If you feel like calling it off, you can do so. But you can also request IP confirmation, which should be easy to do. NAWWW dawg,don't quit who am i going to compare my huge ego to?c | ||
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Jealous
10154 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:11 t0ssboy wrote: NAWWW dawg,don't quit who am i going to compare my huge ego to?c My skill has gotten too high for DRTL, I hit 50-29 C this season. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
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Jealous
10154 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:19 rauk wrote: wait that doesn't even make any sense. either your work called you in early or xaxo was late, which are reasonable grounds for asking for another change in time, or you deliberately PP'd to a time you knew you couldn't play in the first place. .... Work called me on an urgent assignment that was not supposed to be mine, and they did so at around 4:15. I'm a tutor and there are times when my company is legally responsible for children's safety, but a person doesn't show up, so it's a major legal issue for us. In those cases, a substitute has to be summoned, and I had to board the next bus to the city where the school was located (at 5:30) to make it in time for the subbed class (at 6:30). I said people are OFTEN late for PP games, and I would not be able to both play the game and make the bus in that situation. Like I said before, I had my team's best interests in mind, but I was short-sighted. I just want to re-iterate that I am not trying to get unbanned, just to be understood. I still committed a dishonest act, I still fully deserve the punishment, and I am still ashamed and very sorry for the wrongs I've committed to this league of dedicated players and organizers. | ||
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WandS
Canada86 Posts
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Jealous
10154 Posts
The REAL Big Reveal When Minister was banned, some people on the team thought that it was now impossible for us to win the league. This was the cause of the team almost dissolving immediately after, with Beggar, Puzzle, and Metal[x] leaving the team almost right away. Being the weakest player on the team, the idea came up that Minister would play on my account. This idea was hatched outside of the Skype group as far as I remember. This might be the reason why the team got back together and continued to play games. Before then, I had only once attempted to use the Hero name for CRTL, and that was as a sub for Beggar, a game that never happened anyways. After giving my account to Minister, I had not logged into the account or had anything to do with the team besides chatting once in a while. Although I had laddered the account myself (L_Master has the rep pack, there are a few reps on repdepot as well), the account was no longer mine at all. Every W/O and game played on Hero's name was actually Minister's games. Who knew about this? I'm not sure who knew about this besides myself and Minister, who I was friends with in college. It is fact that others on the team knew about it. I'm not going to name suspects because I have no proof. Why did you photoshop screenshots? I think you may see the pattern here, but I didn't want to give trouble to people in my team who didn't deserve it. I wanted to take the fall for everyone who may be involved, because their knowledge of the issue would preclude them to being banned as well, when really I don't think they deserve a sentence as harsh as mine. I don't know who else was involved in the decision making process for me giving up my account to Minister, but I surely didn't want people who WEREN'T involved to be implicated. On Facebook Minister asked me for my password because of these facts. I told him that people KNEW I was ][-][ero (well, L3g and L_Master did, not sure how anyone else got wind of it but who cares). The reason I told L3g and L_Master was to be honest with them from the get-go at the start of both DRTL and CRTL; in DRTL I sent the rep pack to L_Master so he could gauge whether or not I was too good for DRTL, for L3g it's so that he knew who this random no-name was in his league. I started this league with the intentions of practicing with C players, playing (and probably losing) a few games, nothing more. Otherwise I would never have told anyone that ][-][ero was BaBo. I don't think I can properly express how sorry I am, and how ashamed as well. I have been an honest player, with no hacks, cheating, or anything of the nature for years in this community. Giving my account was the stupidest thing I could have done, because it makes me a dishonest player. As I said before, I had no intention of participating in any D or C ranks events through Team Liquid anyways (I told L_Master of my retirement well in advance, and I PM'd SynC my resignation from DR All-Stars a week ago), but it's definitely a bitter note to go out on after years of honest play. So what part of all this bullshit is true? Everything that I posted here, 2Pac's Skype chat screens, and everything that I posted relevant to me going to work. The only additional falsehood that was cleared up in this post was the timing of the ][-][ero account transfer and therefore the duration of Minister's ownership of the account. TL;DR: I wanted the full blame to fall on me and Minister, not anyone else, so I tried to make it seem like the issue was a new one and not premeditated by a part of the team. Everyone knows the mantra "snitches get stitches." Well, I'm not a snitch. For this further dishonesty, I apologize. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On June 07 2013 01:33 sabas123 wrote: he got some guts to admit everything, gotta say it. it doesn't take any guts when you've already been outed. having guts would be admitting it before you get caught. | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
 Who is this Minister guy anyway. Never heard of him or seen him around anywhere. | ||
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