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You assume this lynch all lurker mindset is bad because you believe that the mafia would all be active. Well, lo and behold when the modkills came out, we saw that even a mafia member was inactive/lurking. Now I'm not saying we haven't made bad calls, the results speak for themselves, but flying under the radar is a viable tactic and is one we're right to look out for, especially in the first few days. This is why it's so important for townies to be active in the first few days so that mafia feel the pressure to be active as well and thus increase their chances of scumslipping.
I never said all the mafia would be active, some of it. The problem with the lynch all lurker attitude was that the whole town was not active. We lynched imallinson due to his inactivity and it bit us in the face. Then 2 people didnt vote 2 days in a row, with stossel not voting once. So yes lynch all lurkers could be good if everyone was active besides just a few people, but the level of inactivity in here could let mafia post one or two good posts that never have to be really backed up, and then just coast out to victory. Especially after we lost 2 of 12 players to inactivity which if it hadnt happened wouldve been another whole day/night cycle.
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On April 30 2012 10:50 insectoceanx wrote:
Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active.
This is the quote I was referring too, and nothing in it implies that you only meant that not all of the replacements are mafia. You still haven't bothered to address my original case, which was this quote:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2012 04:09 ForTheDr3am wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 10:50 insectoceanx wrote:
Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active.
I originally wanted to wait a bit, but I figured I wouldn't get an explanation for this statement anyways. Let us examine it. He says that the inactive people did not vote and are therefore not mafia, implying that mafia would have voted for imallinson (as votes on anyone else would have made no difference). Now, in which situations would mafia vote for imallinson? Certainly, only if he was town, as they would have little reason to bus a scumbuddy if not absolutely necessary. However, insectoceanx thinks that imallinson is mafia, else he would not vote for him himself. The only explanation I see here is that he made a scumslip: He knows that imallinson is town, and thoughtlessly writes the above knowing that at least he tried to mislynch imallinson. If anyone has any alternate theories, I'm all ear. For now, ##Vote: insectoceanx
Instead you attack me for making cases against you, claiming that I voted for you without much of a reason. Apart from the fact that I did gave reasons, oneplus actually voted for you without stating anything, and I did not see you noticing that. Him having suspicions of you doesn't change the fact that he is still town, while it makes me scum in your eyes. Fascinating.
Your entire defence (and offence) is based on "I am town, so he who votes for me is scum", in a very unconvincing manner to boot.
If I was mafia why would I be trying to get everyone to talk since the last night. I would probably be doing what dream is doing and trying to throw someone I know to be town down. I admit my posting wasnt the best and I made myself into an easy target. I am not mafia and you will see that once you vote for me. I'm going to vote for dream and I'll be back again later to answer any questions.
You accuse me of trying to just get people to bandwagon you (I did post my reasoning), while your vote(s) against imallinson are explained by you in the following manner.
+ Show Spoiler +I agree we need consensus to do this. Anyone who does not agree/imallinson lets hear from you.
##Vote: imallinson Well we still need to vote to lynch someone tomorrow. I feel we should still lynch imallinson, unless everyone has a different cadidate or he can convince us otherwise. It was the plan before, and I think would have gone through if all the replacements weren't inactive.
Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active.
My List:
imallinson
maju
zealos
##Vote: imallinson
@Zealos
You voted for imallinson before? Why are you voting for me now?
@Townspeople
We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as
Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else. On May 01 2012 08:07 insectoceanx wrote:EBWOP: Also since none of the replacements who didnt vote havn't said anything its much harder to form a case against them and get consensus. Meanwhile imallinson has posted very little of substance and has been a prime subject. He was arcticfox's prime suspect and he was lynched after the failed vote. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 01:31 imallinson wrote:On April 30 2012 21:22 insectoceanx wrote:
We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as What exactly is the plan. Because if it is blindly going along the same path as yesterday that isn't helpful. Along with this On April 30 2012 10:50 insectoceanx wrote:
Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active.
Your recent posting doesn't make much sense unless you are trying to get town to blindly follow you into lynching an easy town target (me). Why isnt lynching you a good plan? The only reason you werent lynched was because so many people didnt vote. Just because people did not vote all of a sudden proves your innocence? i don't think all the pages of discussion about you is making the town blindly follow. Of course you are an easy town target as anyone could tell looking at your filter.
What of all that is not blatant bandwagoning/pushing people without giving much information?
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EBWOP: 'You still haven't bothered to address my original apart from that.'
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EBWOP²: 'You still haven't bothered to address my original case apart from that.'
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Night 4:
"At last we reach a consensus..."
"Indeed, we will finally have justice."
Each member of the Politburo had made up his or her mind. But when insectoceanx died, he revealed no treacherous secrets or murderous intent.
The four men glanced at one another. Some eyes were nervous, others resigned, others jubilant.
Stossel and Zealos exchanged a nod, then pulled knives from their coats. The last innocents were mercilessly killed with a single stab apiece.
"Well, now we will have justice, indeed... preferably overseas."
"Indeed."
Mafia victory!
Final Votecount:
insectoceanx: 3
ForTheDr3am
Zealos
Stossel
ForTheDr3am: 1
insectoceanx
Not voting: 1
MajuGarzett
Setup and notes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai5bQA89fjHvdEVWb3hkc05MZGJuZ3pvQWRiQm9wSVE
ObsQT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/dKcdbhRnDzkRu
Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/V3TMDSdqKzXMW
I'd like to thank GMarshal and everyone who played or watched this game. It was a pleasure to cohost, and I hope everyone involved had fun 
I will try to write some comments and opinions about the game.
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United States22154 Posts
Inactivity made me really sad, because I had planned a postgame analysis to make up for the fact that I made MG do all the night/day posts. Here is the postgame analysis
Town play:
Inactivity is bad, being inactive kills town. Vigis shooting the most active town player also dosen't exactly help
Scum play:
Inactive towns are fun, because you can just post a little and win for free!
I'm unhappy -__-
Also thanks MG for cohosting, you hardly complained and I basically made you do everything, sorry about that ^_^
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Well, the ScumQT was fascinating at least. And I liked the flavour posts.
I never could convince myself to read Draco's filter.
Mutant on Draco: "Also, your post is hard to read. Like, really hard. Did you do this on purpose?"
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Sorry about that game guys. I think the inactivity combined with the Draco replacement really messed things up. I felt like I pretty much got a free pass when I came in. Wish I had more to do but with the inactivity all I was looking to do was coast.
As my first game, I felt really bad about scumreading people I knew were innocent. I'll definitely have to get over that!
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To the players (specifically town):
Did you utilize your coaches? You were spoilt for choice this game with some of our best players volunteering to coach. With over 60 games worth of experience between them, their advice would have been invaluable.
I made 2/3 of the mafia team within the first hours of D1, but was stumped as to the 3rd (mutant/Ydriel), until he was mod-killed.
I enjoyed reading this game, even though it was marred by heavy inactivity.
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Wait wait, arcticfox was shot by the vigi 
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ArcticFox was shot by everyone :3
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Sorry to everyone, and Midnight and GM in particular.
Well played by my replacement. Good job Zealos.
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Zealos was a really flailing, obvious mafia but other than that I thought two townies were mafia. I struggle differentiating townies who make no sense at all from mafia, especially when I've never seen the players in question playing before. Me and sandroba were quite sure that forthedream was mafia, oh well
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I guess this is also a lesson in making assumptions and then not re-evaluating. We saw certain connections and coordination between the players we thought were mafia, which turned out to be coincidental.
e: as in, we didn't even bother reading the rest of the fitlers after we assumed that =P
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lol the theme of the newbie games continues!
One guy's activeish, dies somehow, then the scum do nothing and win.
pretty sad actually :/
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Oh man this game was so frustrating. Beyond frustrating. >< So frustrating that I'm taking a break from mafia for a while because of it. Which is fine, I need to focus on my SC2 anyway. I'll keep lurking and watching though. ^_^
I had Zealos made Day 1 (like everyone else on the planet), but I never pushed him. yomi came out of the gate acting like a crazy person (i.e. -- exactly how he did in SMMVIII) and I was just so sure he was scum right up until about 2 hours to deadline. That close to deadline though, I couldn't be sure that he wasn't just a scum begging for his life. =/
Night 1 I made a misstep in mentioning that we should shut up, when really, the game was too inactive to merit that.
Day 2. The Hell day. Nobody was posting. It was annoying. Still had Zealos made, his posting didn't really improve at all until I thread-coached him into it. imallinson was just inactive as hell (and ALSO playing just like SMMVIII) but Zealos should have been the obvious candidate anyway.
I pushed imallinson because I thought both he and Zealos were scum, and I could lynch one today and set up a lynch on the other the next. By the time I woke up the next day I realized that I had made a mistake, but there was NO WAY to get the vote changed over to Zealos by then. Hell, the thread wasn't even active enough to get imallinson lynched, let alone get the vote switched over to someone new. (more on this later)
And Night 2 I was dead. I was mafia shot, roleblocked (which I don't think stops vet? really wish I had been though. ), AND vigi shot. VIGI SHOT. Really, I was your scummiest choice?
I PM'd 3 different people for coaching. sandroba gave me some solid advice with a "there's enough information in the thread for you to find the scum, fuck the discussion, they're going to keep lurking, just PUSH PUSH PUSH." -- I just took that advice and pushed the wrong guy. XD But it was still good advice, I was too passive after I had someone made.
wherebugsgo gets coach MVP though. He took the time to go through a meandering book of a post I sent him and answer every one of my points individually, and give me a real direction to go. My next game is going to be much, MUCH stronger due to his advice and I send many thanks and your favorite alcoholic beverage your way. <3
As a final note, I really, REALLY am against the idea of an extended majority lynch in newbie games. It's hard enough for town to reach a consensus, even when everyone's playing -- just 3 people going inactive made it more or less impossible for town to get anything done until the lynching rules were changed Day 3. Day 2 I wanted to get the vote switched to Zealos so bad, but with 12 hours left and an inactive town, it was literally impossible to do so, while I could have managed it in a Plurality Lynch.
Either way, I did at least have some fun (until about middle of Day 2) even if inactivity did screw the game for town. I also learned a ton from the coaches. Thanks to GM and Midnight for putting this on and dealing with the frustration of having to find a million replacements. ^_^
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
That may be the worst vig shot I've seen yet in TL Mafia
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I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything.
Zealos, you are remarkably easy to get a read on 
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I don't know why I felt like playing so damn aggressive haha.
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