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Alright, so lets assume I'm complete scum, and I've been death sentenced. Stop wasting time talking about me and find the next person. I recommend referring to the solved game diagram, but I'd be open to allowing you people to check out Sinensis.
+ Show Spoiler [previous post on him] +On March 28 2012 07:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
[quote=O/T, someone asked]Im fine with being called C_C, Cyber, Cheese, CC, whatever. As long as I can tell you meant me, anything is fine. (Including curses) On March 28 2012 06:53 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 01:22 slOosh wrote:Q for Zelblade:On March 27 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote:
I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too.
Where did this come from? I'm taking back this question, it makes sense after catching up. Did a rough read of the thread so far - I don't see anything too conclusive from the BH talks. As for C_C, still waiting for him to post something. I've looked at gonzaw and I do agree with this post from VE,. (From what I understand) He thinks Bluelightz is scum but he hasn't actually posted a case on him. Gonzaw could you just post the case on him instead of asking people to look at him?
Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 02:14 Nemesis wrote:
EBWOP If you don't think that the current lynch candidates are good, why don't you come up with your own? Who do you think is scum right now? I didn't say that the current candidates weren't good / bad - I just wanted more discussion / information to make better decisions. I think we should consolidate upon the pool of candidates so that we can focus discussion, so I'm evaluating the current candidates instead of bringing up more. By night time (when I can post in detail) I hope both C_C and gonzaw will have put up more stuff to work with. Like it or not, I think Bluelightz is scum for the reasons provided. What do people think of this guy? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=45996Note the extreme neutrality and the fixation on his useless question Also this: On March 27 2012 14:55 Sinensis wrote:
While I'm at it, here is what I think of johnnywup:
I think he is ballsy to go after BlazingHand because BlazingHand is seemingly going after anyone who will pay him any attention. I don't think a mafia player would go after BlazingHand, because doing so risks being in the spotlight; BlazingHand being a very aggressive player at the moment.
Notice how since then, he's only really chosen to talk one liners about me?
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Blazinghand
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On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well you're wrong about that - JW is not DEFINITELY scum, and C_C is DEFINITELY scum. You're only saying he's "probably scum" so you can try and convince people that JW is a better lynch, when he's not. JW isn't actively disrupting town. JW isn't trolling the rest of town. JW isn't nationality fishing and JW is a new player.
C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH?
I don't negotiate with terrorists.
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Ok just catching up on the thread. Looks like Cyber_Cheese has posted some more.
On March 28 2012 03:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I seem to be getting a lot of flak for that soviet flag.
Why did I post it?
I was going to post it regardless of pm.
As for my stances
##Vote Bluelightz
Is that seriously your entire defense for the entire case against you?
Plus that case on bluelightz was just hilariously bad.
Also, seriously cccalf only has 1 post? If we have a vig, shoot him now, so we don't waste time on him later.
Sloosh, I'm still waiting for your reads.
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On March 28 2012 12:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you're town you're intentionally sabotaging your team by not doing shit to save yourself C_C. I can't imagine a single scenario where the way you're playing helps town. You're not helping find scum, and you know damn well that your venn diagram of idiocy isn't doing anything to convince anyone of anything. You're trolling, and I hope you're having a good time because you're making the game less fun for everyone regardless of your alignment.
+1 ; that is my read on C_C.
Also, somehow I've made his scum list. What makes it so off is that at the bottom of this post he invites people to look at Sinensis as suspicious, then with this post, Sinensis is in the others list and I am on the scum list despite the fact that neither Sinensis nor slOosh (that's me) have posted anything in between his two posts, nor has anyone even mentioned our names.
I really do think he is trolling and making the biggest mess of town possible before his lynch and setting up all sorts of WIFOM and chaos for the rest of his buddies to use.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
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Cyber_Cheese, gonzaw, EchelonTee, Blazinghand
GG scum.
If your name is on this list and you're town, you need to be doing something different. When C_C flips scum, we're just LYNCHIN DOWN THE LIIIIIIINE unless something changes.
BH is last because of anyone he's putting in the most effort. I reward effort with asylum...but my patience only goes so far.
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On March 28 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well you're wrong about that - JW is not DEFINITELY scum, and C_C is DEFINITELY scum. You're only saying he's "probably scum" so you can try and convince people that JW is a better lynch, when he's not. JW isn't actively disrupting town. JW isn't trolling the rest of town. JW isn't nationality fishing and JW is a new player.
C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH? I don't negotiate with terrorists.
In fact, I think there's only one reasonable response to terrorist style tactics. VE is scum trying to gain town cred and using his terror tactics to keep people in line. When I was elected to be the president of the great state of blzinghand I did so on a platform of no negotiating with terrorists.
Let me explain the situation here:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VgNdK.png)
##unvote
##vote: VisceraEyes
Come at me, bro.
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Don't need to - you just claimed scum.
GG sir.
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Blazinghand
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VE is obviously hijacking town for his personal scummy use. Think about this:
He wants to lynch anyone who doesn't agree with him.
Is that how you promote a good town atmosphere? I THINK NOT. Even *I*, the most aggressive and insane of players, understand that people can disagree with me without being scum. VE knows this. Town VE would know this. But instead, he's promoting a campaign of terrorism. A campaign for which WE CANNOT STAND.
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Good luck with that. I'm headed home, see you in a bit guys.
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RAWR thanks for making it easy BH.
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Blazinghand
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On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH?
Does this look like a guy trying to help the town atmosphere, or is this a guy trying to cement is town rep and dissuade people from turning against him? This is NOT how you help the town.
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On March 28 2012 12:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cyber_Cheese, gonzaw, EchelonTee, Blazinghand
GG scum.
If your name is on this list and you're town, you need to be doing something different. When C_C flips scum, we're just LYNCHIN DOWN THE LIIIIIIINE unless something changes.
BH is last because of anyone he's putting in the most effort. I reward effort with asylum...but my patience only goes so far.
ET and me, on the same scum team?
In fact, ET at all?
BH?
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Blazinghand
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On March 28 2012 12:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't need to - you just claimed scum.
GG sir.
If I claimed scum, stop being afraid and vote me. Certainly a scumclaim is stronger than whatever C_C did, right? If I literally claimed scum, as a town player you have to lynch me.
Unless, of course, you realize that if I flip, your cover is blown, and your "case" against me is actually flimsy and worthless, and you don't want to lose the town support you've so carefully built. Your terrorists tactics will not work here sir.
Come at me if I claimed scum. Vote me.
It's what a TOWN VE would do.
But that's not you, is it?
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On March 28 2012 12:44 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH? Does this look like a guy trying to help the town atmosphere, or is this a guy trying to cement is town rep and dissuade people from turning against him? This is NOT how you help the town.
The thing is, he tunnelled me to a stupid extent in mafia L too. (I think it was L anyway...)
I wouldn't put it past him to be accidentally destroying town atmosphere.
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@Blazinghand
Are you saying that VE started up the CC bus and drove it home in order to gain infinite town cred?
Or am I mistaken to say that you thought CC was scum (as 2nd option to JW)?
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On March 28 2012 12:32 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2012 12:27 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 12:18 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 12:12 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 12:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Sinensis either knows something I don't, or literally doesn't understand the way nationality works. Nobody has claimed any nationalities, and nobody will. It's literally impossible to have a read on anyone's nationality at this point. Please sir explain your reasoning? C_C, the "soviet scientist's," posts would have me beg to differ. Assuming CC is indeed town and not scum, I currently do not have a read on whether or not he is US or SU, and nobody who is reasonable does either. I consider myself reasonable and I have a read on his alignment. I think he's a nazi. Based on votes, 5 other people thing he's a nazi. QFFT Right, but you admit you don't know whether anyone is US or SU, and it's GOOD that this is the case. In any case C_C is probably scum, but JW is DEFINITELY scum. That being said, it's not unreasonable that they're both scum. I think JW is a better lynch than C_C for reasons I have outlined in my two analysis posts above.
Not that arguing with you has produced results for anyone else that has tried, but is this the anaysis post you are referring to?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2012 15:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Blaze, it's only pressure if what you're saying is true. You're so blatant about your logic being ridiculous that it's not even intimidating and only serves to make you look suspicious.
Now cut out the dramatics or I'll join the jubjubs and scum in lynching you...even if you're town. I daresay my logic is largely non-ridiculous. It may appear ridiculous to you, but god does not play dice with the universe. Humor me a moment, and let me seduce you with my lascivious arguments. A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement. B) I call him out in a typically aggressive fashion. He responds in this way: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=9#171Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:i'm absolutely flattered <3 On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.
irony? and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you. One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me. This is generally a bad post. I really don't like this particular section: Show nested quote +
and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.
I think any marginally experienced player, or even someone who sits down and thinks about how mafia works should realize that bad logic being posted in the thread DOES hurt the town. as a town player, you want to avoid doing this. As a scum player, you are happy when you see this. bad logic hurts the town. it is anti town, then.And other than these two posts, he has had a generally underwhelming filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=99700"But, blazinghand, most of JW's stuff wasn't even there during your initial accusation! what was the deal there?" Admittedly, my first post in which I voted him was grasping slightly at straws. this town is silent and there was basically no analysis happening. I needed to get things rolling. His utterly catastrophic responses to me after voting him have made me realize that this guy is scum, and deserves to be lynched. Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play. I stand by my vote, for new reasons that are stronger than the ones for which it was initially made. The evidence is there. all you need to do is open your eyes.
I redded the part I need to comment on, not because I am speculating you are Soviet but just because there is a lot of other formatting in this post. Your argument against johnny is that bad logic hurts the town and he said otherwise. You say bad logic hurts the town and is thus anti town again in this post.
On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 13:26 johnnywup wrote:
I don't think you're mafia, blazing, because no mafia would be so stupid to post something so stupid. At least I think. Utterly garbage posting so far. bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town. ##unvote##vote: johnnywupI'd say "come at me bro" but your argumentation skills are so benign I feel like any "pressure" you put on me will only serve to exonerate me.
There's two examples of your belief that "bad logic hurts the town and is thus anti town."
Well maybe you could comment on some of your own bad logic. Or do you need me to go back and quote just about every post you made in the beginning to remind you? My point is the case you are using against johnnywup works better on you than it does him, and that if "bad logic" is the criteria you are going to use to place your vote, maybe you ought to vote yourself.
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Blazinghand
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On March 28 2012 12:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 12:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
C_C is the lynch today BH. If you disagree, you're obviously scum. Period. Are you scum BH? Does this look like a guy trying to help the town atmosphere, or is this a guy trying to cement is town rep and dissuade people from turning against him? This is NOT how you help the town. The thing is, he tunnelled me to a stupid extent in mafia L too. (I think it was L anyway...) I wouldn't put it past him to be accidentally destroying town atmosphere.
This seems far more purposeful than something by accident. Threatening anyone who disagrees with him with lynching? That's not an accident. Saying I claimed scum then abandoning the thread? That's not an accident. VE is perfectly capable of playing a high-post-count scum, and that's what he's doing now.
Here's my new pictorial analysis of the game:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tIz0J.png)
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Blazinghand
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On March 28 2012 12:48 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 12:32 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2012 12:27 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 12:18 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 12:12 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 12:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Sinensis either knows something I don't, or literally doesn't understand the way nationality works. Nobody has claimed any nationalities, and nobody will. It's literally impossible to have a read on anyone's nationality at this point. Please sir explain your reasoning? C_C, the "soviet scientist's," posts would have me beg to differ. Assuming CC is indeed town and not scum, I currently do not have a read on whether or not he is US or SU, and nobody who is reasonable does either. I consider myself reasonable and I have a read on his alignment. I think he's a nazi. Based on votes, 5 other people thing he's a nazi. QFFT Right, but you admit you don't know whether anyone is US or SU, and it's GOOD that this is the case. In any case C_C is probably scum, but JW is DEFINITELY scum. That being said, it's not unreasonable that they're both scum. I think JW is a better lynch than C_C for reasons I have outlined in my two analysis posts above. Not that arguing with you has produced results for anyone else that has tried, but is this the anaysis post you are referring to? + Show Spoiler +On March 27 2012 15:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Blaze, it's only pressure if what you're saying is true. You're so blatant about your logic being ridiculous that it's not even intimidating and only serves to make you look suspicious.
Now cut out the dramatics or I'll join the jubjubs and scum in lynching you...even if you're town. I daresay my logic is largely non-ridiculous. It may appear ridiculous to you, but god does not play dice with the universe. Humor me a moment, and let me seduce you with my lascivious arguments. A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement. B) I call him out in a typically aggressive fashion. He responds in this way: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=9#171Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:i'm absolutely flattered <3 On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.
irony? and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you. One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me. This is generally a bad post. I really don't like this particular section: Show nested quote +
and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.
I think any marginally experienced player, or even someone who sits down and thinks about how mafia works should realize that bad logic being posted in the thread DOES hurt the town. as a town player, you want to avoid doing this. As a scum player, you are happy when you see this. bad logic hurts the town. it is anti town, then.And other than these two posts, he has had a generally underwhelming filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=99700"But, blazinghand, most of JW's stuff wasn't even there during your initial accusation! what was the deal there?" Admittedly, my first post in which I voted him was grasping slightly at straws. this town is silent and there was basically no analysis happening. I needed to get things rolling. His utterly catastrophic responses to me after voting him have made me realize that this guy is scum, and deserves to be lynched. Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play. I stand by my vote, for new reasons that are stronger than the ones for which it was initially made. The evidence is there. all you need to do is open your eyes. I redded the part I need to comment on, not because I am speculating you are Soviet but just because there is a lot of other formatting in this post. Your argument against johnny is that bad logic hurts the town and he said otherwise. You say bad logic hurts the town and is thus anti town again in this post. Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:On March 27 2012 13:26 johnnywup wrote:
I don't think you're mafia, blazing, because no mafia would be so stupid to post something so stupid. At least I think. Utterly garbage posting so far. bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town. ##unvote##vote: johnnywupI'd say "come at me bro" but your argumentation skills are so benign I feel like any "pressure" you put on me will only serve to exonerate me. There's two examples of your belief that "bad logic hurts the town and is thus anti town." Well maybe you could comment on some of your own bad logic. Or do you need me to go back and quote just about every post you made in the beginning to remind you? My point is the case you are using against johnnywup works better on you than it does him, and that if "bad logic" is the criteria you are going to use to place your vote, maybe you ought to vote yourself.
You're literally not reading the thread, are you?
Here are my three most recent analysis posts:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=18#341
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=18#352
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=18#355
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i dunno bh, im pretty sure im not scum :O
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