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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:14 Palmar wrote: Take your vote off me, you know I'm not scum and there is no reason for you to keep it there. He doesn't want to be lynched and he knows voting for you will save his own hide. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:14 Palmar wrote: Take your vote off me, you know I'm not scum and there is no reason for you to keep it there. Doing it now. Sorry for that D: | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:16 prplhz wrote: How exactly does Risen know that you're not scum? You're not just bullying people now are you? quiet, scum. He has played more pro-town than most people in this game, which means he's thinking. Anyone who is thinking knows I'm not scum. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 30 2011 05:43 xtfftc wrote: Can anyone link me to any cases posted on prplz? Or at least tell me who posted them. I don't have the time to go through the last 30-40 pages again. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:18 Palmar wrote: quiet, scum. He has played more pro-town than most people in this game, which means he's thinking. Anyone who is thinking knows I'm not scum. Accusing everybody who is voting you of not thinking. Well, the bullying is apparently working so kudos. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:22 xtfftc wrote: Or at least tell me who posted them. I don't have the time to go through the last 30-40 pages again. supersoft and redFF posted one each and I already said that. T | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:18 Palmar wrote: Anyone who is mafia knows I'm mafia. Fixed it for you - no thanks required! | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Also Palmar bro you didn't vote in the voting thread. Deconduo analysis On November 24 2011 20:45 deconduo wrote: I'm going to run for mayor. Here's why: I'm town I'm not terrible at this game One of the biggest problems I've had in a couple of my last games is figuring out who mafia were but not being able to convince people to listen to me. Hopefully if I'm mayor people will be more willing to listen. As town, I usually get killed off night 1 or 2. It would be nice to have the protection to keep me alive a bit longer. As scum I try to stay out of the spotlight. I would never run for mayor as that would put too much scrutiny on me. Other players can attest to this. First and foremost, decon had a terrible mayoral campaign. His reasons are that he's town and not terrible, and that if he's mayor hopefully people will listen to him. That's it. Take particular note of the last sentence: as scum he tries to stay out of the spotlight. The fact that he's running for mayor is complete WIFOM. The fact that he is trying to use this as a reason for him not being scum is even shadier. If decon, as scum, tries to stay out of the spotlight, we should see signs that decon is either being bold and stating his opinion or shying away from attention. That should give us a good idea whether or not he is scum. And, I assert that he is scum, since he has been shying away from attention this entire game. This is the crux of my argument. Note that decon says almost nothing of note his entire first 20-25 posts. He only has 2 pages in his filter. None of his posts until page 2 have any more than about 3 lines. He is semi-lurking. On November 26 2011 02:42 deconduo wrote: Yesterday I hadn't looked at their posts in depth, I had just skimmed. On paper they were the best candidates. On reading properly, Sandro and WBG are doing their usual scum meta. Palmar I'm less sure about, but I feel he's guilty by association with the other 2. BC just has a bad plan that he refuses to let go of, so he shouldn't be elected. Decon doesn't even know my scum meta. In fact, I don't think anyone does. I've played 3 games as scum. Decon has played with me twice when I was scum, both times where he had almost no influence on the game at all. In the first game, TMMM, he and sandro caught me being scum, but it was mostly sandro. In the second, he replaced in really late and couldn't figure out I was scum. Decon doesn't know my scum play (nor, do I think, does he know sandro's play) but he is feigning knowledge here to discredit both of us at once. Then he guilts Palmar "by association" with me and sandro. This, by its very definition, is a logical fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy On November 26 2011 02:28 deconduo wrote: Pretty sure WBG, Palmar and Sandroba are mafia, but thats just off gut reads. BC's plan is dumb, dunno why he's still defending it. It won't work. LAL is dumb, don't do it. Mafia are going to take out the veterans early, need medic protection for: kitaman27, sandroba, Jackal58, Palmar, prplhz, deconduo, Coagulation, BloodyC0bbler, supersoft, annul. Annnul can you run for mayor pls, you're better than all the other candidates. What does this post even say? It asserts a bunch of things, and decon admits himself it's all gut reads. This post is useless; it is a feigned contribution. On November 27 2011 21:15 deconduo wrote: Every single one of our vigs should be shooting WhereBugsGo so hard tonight. hasn't read the thread. Probably has no intention of reading the thread. Vigilantes couldn't shoot n1. I consider the following post the only post deconduo has made, since he really hasn't said anything outside of this: On November 28 2011 18:53 deconduo wrote: + Show Spoiler + WhereBugsGo WBG is the shouty kid who always gets what he wants because he cries louder than anyone else. His scum meta is pretty straightforward, drown out anyone who FOSes him or disagrees with him. He will make as many posts as possible, use insults, and just yell as loud as possible to get people to side with him. This is especially effective in a newbie game where long posts full of bullshit will look pro town. He gets especially aggravated when there is no clear case against him, which is what I've been doing so far this game. Have a look at his filter in couples therapy, especially towards the middle where me + Sandro accuse him. Its the same in mini mafia X with prplhz. He is posting the exact same way in this game. His pissing match with redFF is another good example. Palmar is scum as well, and its painfully obvious the two of them are working together. There was no good reason to lynch YM, as several people had pointed out his only 'crime' was to oppose Palmar's run somewhat vocally. The instant he did so Palmar and WBG jumped on him. I initially thought Sandro was probably scum as well, he's been lurking a lot more than usual. I'm less sure of it now that WBG tried to bus him, but its still a possibility. He certainly isn't playing his usual town game, but he wasn't doing it in MMX either so he might be trying to change. Let's break this down, piece by piece. On November 28 2011 18:53 deconduo wrote: WBG is the shouty kid who always gets what he wants because he cries louder than anyone else. His scum meta is pretty straightforward, drown out anyone who FOSes him or disagrees with him. He will make as many posts as possible, use insults, and just yell as loud as possible to get people to side with him. This is especially effective in a newbie game where long posts full of bullshit will look pro town. Not a scumtell. This is just a long-winded way of saying "he's loud." On November 28 2011 18:53 deconduo wrote: He gets especially aggravated when there is no clear case against him, which is what I've been doing so far this game. Have a look at his filter in couples therapy, especially towards the middle where me + Sandro accuse him. Its the same in mini mafia X with prplhz. He is posting the exact same way in this game. His pissing match with redFF is another good example. Again, not a scumtell. Townies get aggravated when there is a shitty case against them too, since that means they are being sheeped on bad logic. Deconduo even admits to making a bad case on me. How is making bad cases pro-town? This is just a terrible reason to call someone scum. In Couples' Therapy sandro's case was really good and in Mini X prpl's case was really bad. Guess which one I ignored, and which one I attacked as scum? Yeah, contradictory evidence. I am not posting the exact same way; in fact, I even posted in completely different styles between the 3 games in which I was scum. I am consistent in aggression, and decon is trying to say that my aggression is a scumtell. it never has been. On November 28 2011 18:53 deconduo wrote: Palmar is scum as well, and its painfully obvious the two of them are working together. There was no good reason to lynch YM, as several people had pointed out his only 'crime' was to oppose Palmar's run somewhat vocally. The instant he did so Palmar and WBG jumped on him. If it's so "painfully" obvious, decon, why didn't you point out a single thing that makes it obvious we're both scum? I'm not so terrible at scum that I would connect myself to someone who is self-proclaimed bad at scum like Palmar. That's just moronic, it would be an incredible risk for no reward. When I am scum I don't take such risks unless there is a huge reward in it. Tying myself to Palmar would be stupid as fuck, since if we were both scum and Palmar died, him flipping scum would make me look like the most suspicious person in the game. This argument crumbles in the face of logic. And, the last sentence is a deliberate twisting of facts. Ace argued that we had two different reasons for attacking YM, yet decon is arguing that we had the same reason. Which one is it, decon? On November 28 2011 18:53 deconduo wrote: I initially thought Sandro was probably scum as well, he's been lurking a lot more than usual. I'm less sure of it now that WBG tried to bus him, but its still a possibility. He certainly isn't playing his usual town game, but he wasn't doing it in MMX either so he might be trying to change. LOL. "I'm less sure of it now that WBG tried to bus him" This is horrible horrible logic. This is in your case on me being scum, and yet half your post on me being scum is about Palmar and Sandro. Beyond the first 3 lines, this isn't a case. This is fabricated garbage. I honestly can't believe people are actually following decon and some of the other leaders of my lynch. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
redFF, sandroba, wbg and kurumi we need to work together. i am not sure about BC/Palmar and want to exlpain why. i am 100% sure that either palmar or bc are scum. if we dont have enough time to decide this issue today, we got to talk tomorrow. i am okay with lynching one of them. if you prefer BC lets do that. another solid lynches are bum, prplhz and erandorr. i wont commentate on that shitcase these morons built against me. wbg did that already and i couldnt have done that any better. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:27 prplhz wrote: Accusing everybody who is voting you of not thinking. Well, the bullying is apparently working so kudos. I have no power over people, stop with the fear tactics. Everyone in this game can make an independent decision. Also, if you're so sure I'm scum, why are you so sure that they are being bullied into unvoting me? Do you maybe know the people unvoting me are town? Is that your problem? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:15 Drazerk wrote: He doesn't want to be lynched and he knows voting for you will save his own hide. No, he's reasonable and is attempting to win the game with town. What are you doing? | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:33 supersoft wrote: okay i just catched up via iphone; redFF, sandroba, wbg and kurumi we need to work together. i am not sure about BC/Palmar and want to exlpain why. i am 100% sure that either palmar or bc are scum. if we dont have enough time to decide this issue today, we got to talk tomorrow. i am okay with lynching one of them. if you prefer BC lets do that. another solid lynches are bum, prplhz and erandorr. i wont commentate on that shitcase these morons built against me. wbg did that already and i couldnt have done that any better. That's the majority of my scum list right there. I'm simply making this post so that when one or more of you flip red tonight I'll be able to come back to this. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:27 prplhz wrote: Accusing everybody who is voting you of not thinking. Well, the bullying is apparently working so kudos. he's not accusing me at all. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
please pick a non-palmar wagon to accompany zeks please so i can revote and go to sleep. my mind is nearly dead. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:37 Palmar wrote: No, he's reasonable and is attempting to win the game with town. What are you doing? Did you see his original reasons for voting for you? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:38 Serejai wrote: That's the majority of my scum list right there. I'm simply making this post so that when one or more of you flip red tonight I'll be able to come back to this. Honestly I've wished at least 20 times this game that I were a vig or mad hatter so I could just get rid of you. You make this game so unbelievably frustrating to deal with. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Wherebugsgo is the best scum player in this game (after Ace got himself modkilled), and apparently people consider my scumplay awesome. (Awesome enough for people to blindly oppose my mayor campaign out of fear) The notion we're scum together is absurd, no scum team would sacrifice two such important members of their team in tying themselves together since day 1. | ||
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