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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
January 21 2012 03:20 GMT
#3241
One out of two is still pretty good. I'm relieved.
Cheese is good for you!
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
January 21 2012 03:22 GMT
#3242
On January 21 2012 12:20 Scamp wrote:
One out of two is still pretty good. I'm relieved.

Vig's. steady. aim. fire.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 21 2012 03:26 GMT
#3243
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.

With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.

Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 21 2012 03:28 GMT
#3244
On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.

With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.

Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility.


Why not take a look into risk.nuke if people who defended Sand are on your radar? He HARD defended Sand in one of his LAST posts. Did you miss that one? Why bum with his soft defend?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 21 2012 03:29 GMT
#3245
On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.

With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.

Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility.


You voted for KJ because he was playing the way he was in a game where he was town? You get RIGHT out of town bro. You GET OUT! GET OUT OF TOWN WBG!!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 21 2012 03:29 GMT
#3246
I'd be up to lynch bum and my intuition tells me to look into BC although I ruled that out d1.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 21 2012 03:29 GMT
#3247
On January 21 2012 12:18 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 12:17 Toadesstern wrote:
TOLD YA GUYS.

Thx for bitchslapping me left and right the last 2 days because my case on sandroba was retarded.

Consider myself, VE and hiro to be confirmed townies from now on. I'd very much like to get us 3 on the list of protection as well because if mafia shoots one of us that's making the next lynch a little bit harder for you because we're confirmed imo.

Have you ever heard of reads being too accurate? And look how much you flaunt it so...

Speaking of reads being too accurate is anyone concerned about the unbelievable predictive powers of our triumvirate concerning the sandroba lynch? The quick switch after past rebuttals feels like a possible bus of an expendable teammate. Very plausible that after almost half a day into the cycle and no responses someone may take the initiative to capitalize on a player who otherwise has no value.

kingjames as I said before doesn't tell us much. i think most of us are baffled by his play. real headscratcher and we're really going to have to dig hard to find mafia hiding in this bandwagon i feel like.

for now, i'm spent gl in your night actions fellas, chose wisely and keep in mind what we've seen go down today. i'll see yall on the flipside.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 21 2012 03:33 GMT
#3248
and yeah. I'd say one of our triumvirate is going to be mafia. I'd say if I'm right there it's bc and not protact or foolish but I'm not willing to lynch anyone of those 3 anytimes soon. But please everyone look into them.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 21 2012 03:34 GMT
#3249
On January 21 2012 12:29 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 12:18 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On January 21 2012 12:17 Toadesstern wrote:
TOLD YA GUYS.

Thx for bitchslapping me left and right the last 2 days because my case on sandroba was retarded.

Consider myself, VE and hiro to be confirmed townies from now on. I'd very much like to get us 3 on the list of protection as well because if mafia shoots one of us that's making the next lynch a little bit harder for you because we're confirmed imo.

Have you ever heard of reads being too accurate? And look how much you flaunt it so...

Speaking of reads being too accurate is anyone concerned about the unbelievable predictive powers of our triumvirate concerning the sandroba lynch? The quick switch after past rebuttals feels like a possible bus of an expendable teammate. Very plausible that after almost half a day into the cycle and no responses someone may take the initiative to capitalize on a player who otherwise has no value.

kingjames as I said before doesn't tell us much. i think most of us are baffled by his play. real headscratcher and we're really going to have to dig hard to find mafia hiding in this bandwagon i feel like.

for now, i'm spent gl in your night actions fellas, chose wisely and keep in mind what we've seen go down today. i'll see yall on the flipside.

Oh shit that townie BM is going to take me down with him? Suddenly makes more sense I suppose.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
January 21 2012 03:34 GMT
#3250
I'm just about to go to sleep, You think it's likely I'm mafia, sticking my head out like that for a regular goon? The case on him was shit up untill the dt claim. If I see a shitty case I object it hard as I can.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 21 2012 03:36 GMT
#3251
On January 21 2012 12:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.

With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.

Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility.


Why not take a look into risk.nuke if people who defended Sand are on your radar? He HARD defended Sand in one of his LAST posts. Did you miss that one? Why bum with his soft defend?


cause soft-defending is more indicative of scum than hard defending. If you hard defend someone you get a fuck ton of attention when you're wrong. Bum is just kinda sliding around doing nothing.


On January 21 2012 12:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.

With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.

Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility.


You voted for KJ because he was playing the way he was in a game where he was town? You get RIGHT out of town bro. You GET OUT! GET OUT OF TOWN WBG!!


he was dead either way, I wanted to ensure he flipped because I've been wrong quite a bit this game.

At any rate I reassured myself that my meta reads aren't all shit, so at least that's good.

We should definitely look into the people who voted KJ through the day for bad reasons, though. This group is bound to have scum in it because they could have been trying to keep sandro alive.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 21 2012 03:37 GMT
#3252
Okay, sorry I was away. Had I been here when whoever the dt claimed sandro was scum, I would have changed off KJ.

There are still a bunch of people I want dead.

I ALSO WANT THE LURKERS TO TALK MORE.
(By lurkers I mean people who talk even less than I do.)
10% of our game has been modkilled and they've all been town. We don't need any more.

I'll be rereading the thread in the morning. I need to revise my reads.

<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
January 21 2012 03:38 GMT
#3253
On January 21 2012 12:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 12:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.

With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.

Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility.


Why not take a look into risk.nuke if people who defended Sand are on your radar? He HARD defended Sand in one of his LAST posts. Did you miss that one? Why bum with his soft defend?


cause soft-defending is more indicative of scum than hard defending. If you hard defend someone you get a fuck ton of attention when you're wrong. Bum is just kinda sliding around doing nothing.


Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 12:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
hmm I shouldn't have voted kingjames, he was playing too much like he did in XLVIII; just randomly bringing up people for lynch who had no chance of actually dying.

With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.

Thus, we should be careful with what types of conclusions we draw in retrospect about the sandro lynch. Sandro getting bussed was a very likely possibility.


You voted for KJ because he was playing the way he was in a game where he was town? You get RIGHT out of town bro. You GET OUT! GET OUT OF TOWN WBG!!


he was dead either way, I wanted to ensure he flipped because I've been wrong quite a bit this game.

At any rate I reassured myself that my meta reads aren't all shit, so at least that's good.

We should definitely look into the people who voted KJ through the day for bad reasons, though. This group is bound to have scum in it because they could have been trying to keep sandro alive.


Could it be possible Mafia was pushing it as well to waste out double lynch? Maybe we were onto a second solid candidate and they wanted that bandwagon to roll because they A. knew he wasn't coming back and B. wanted us to not have a decent second vote.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 21 2012 03:41 GMT
#3254
I TOLD YOU SO
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7595 Posts
January 21 2012 03:43 GMT
#3255
Kill BloodyC0bbler, that is all.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 21 2012 03:44 GMT
#3256
On January 21 2012 12:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
With that said, I want to take a closer look at bum because of how hard he defended sandro. I also still want to look at Toad because something still is weird about him. Bussing sandro isn't the hardest thing in the world to do, because sandro has 0 confidence in his scum play. It has happened before, even.


Ok srsly, there's nothing I can do to help you wbg. If you still don't consider myself to MAYBE be town after I got shot, claimed vet and now everything that happend I realy can't do a thing about it. I'll ignore everything you're saying about me from now on.
You're tunneling me like crazy and I don't know why. Get over it.

Oh and I'd say we should also look into the people who voted GGQ and not only (like wbg said) into people who voted KJ. I'm not saying that because I did vote KJ (see? I was wrong!) but because I was mafia last time with sandroba.
This is important:
in XLVIII Sandroba was Scum and was AFK ALL the time. He did not show up in our irc channel and we literally did never know if he's going to be modkilled or not because he never showed up and noone knew if he was going to vote or send in his nightactions (don't recall if he had anything). I had to shoot him pm's to get at least some basic strategies (although wbg will claim that mafia did not use strategy in this game at all).VE and Jackal can vouch for that, they were mafia in that game as well. We even got some funny situations because of that. One time Sandroba was bussing VE and VE was not aware of that. When he found out about it he was raging mad and typing in all caps in our irc channel.

It could very well be the same in this game and Mafia had no idea if sandroba would show up or not.

I'm off to bed now, cya tomorrow.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
January 21 2012 03:47 GMT
#3257
BM tonight you will take your bomb off protact and put it on BrownBear.

Can we kill GGQ tomorrow?

Hiro I still want to hear who else you've checked, you so far have only volunteered Sandroba's name, it'd be great to have the rest.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 21 2012 03:50 GMT
#3258
I'm not taking a bomb off
I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC.
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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 21 2012 03:56 GMT
#3259
On January 21 2012 12:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm not taking a bomb off
I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC.


However, you can only jailkeep the same person one night in a row, no?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 21 2012 03:57 GMT
#3260
On January 21 2012 12:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm not taking a bomb off
I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC.


While I have my suspicions of protact as well, I am fairly sure BC is scum from sandroba flipping scum. If BC is scum, Protact is pretty assuredly not scum. Give this a bit more thought BM.
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