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On March 30 2011 12:52 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:42 tnkted wrote:
Just a quick question: why are we suspecting lemon over jackal? I don't care if you suspect me or not. Shoot me. Lynch me. Just keep coag alive. hey Jack why is it that whenever you end up tunneling a townie and they die you just go all emo and quit. Its kinda detremental to your play and makes you seem really emo.
I'm not getting fucking emo. I don't care it Tack died. I don't care that I was wrong. All I care about is keeping items from scum. The only way that can be accomplished is for me to die and then lynch Lemon.
I'm green. I need to prove that to town. The only way I can do that is to die.
Coag is green. The only way that can be proven is if he dies.
Keep Coag alive and lynch Lemon. Scum doesn't get IG items. Red needs them to find the black team.
I will not reveal how I know Coag is town. Let's just say my meta on him is exponentially greater that anybody elses.
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yo lets kill all of them, red doesnt get any items and we get to confirm all 3 players. im fkn pro right?
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On March 30 2011 13:04 ilovejonn wrote:
yo lets kill all of them, red doesnt get any items and we get to confirm all 3 players. im fkn pro right?
I'm down with that.
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On March 30 2011 12:36 OriginalName wrote:On the contrary if we take this logic Show nested quote +Mafia play with confidence when trying to get someone lynched. Town wavers. Even Foolishness or Bum wavers. Mafia will usually never waver. Did Coag ever waver? fuck no he didnt! While im not saying this is enough to indite him of being scum it certainly is a possiblity. If we want to play it risky we keep coag alive via med stacking or something if we want to play safe we kill them all and leave the item game for dust.Bus Driver fail is my last addition.
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On March 30 2011 13:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:52 OriginalName wrote:On March 30 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:42 tnkted wrote:
Just a quick question: why are we suspecting lemon over jackal? I don't care if you suspect me or not. Shoot me. Lynch me. Just keep coag alive. hey Jack why is it that whenever you end up tunneling a townie and they die you just go all emo and quit. Its kinda detremental to your play and makes you seem really emo. I'm not getting fucking emo. I don't care it Tack died. I don't care that I was wrong. All I care about is keeping items from scum. The only way that can be accomplished is for me to die and then lynch Lemon. I'm green. I need to prove that to town. The only way I can do that is to die. Coag is green. The only way that can be proven is if he dies. Keep Coag alive and lynch Lemon. Scum doesn't get IG items. Red needs them to find the black team. I will not reveal how I know Coag is town. Let's just say my meta on him is exponentially greater that anybody elses.
Why not just get lemon killed at night? I mean, wouldn't that make sense? Dude, you're kind of confusing me.
On March 30 2011 12:03 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:02 chaoser wrote:
Why do all those PMs seem scummy as fuck because lemon is scum and coag was blinded by his noob roommate that he thought could never lie to him.
coag has a roommate who is in the game? I don't think you have the right person there, bud.
On March 30 2011 12:53 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:52 OriginalName wrote:On March 30 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:42 tnkted wrote:
Just a quick question: why are we suspecting lemon over jackal? I don't care if you suspect me or not. Shoot me. Lynch me. Just keep coag alive. hey Jack why is it that whenever you end up tunneling a townie and they die you just go all emo and quit. Its kinda detremental to your play and makes you seem really emo. Wait i hit post on that? l0l
This made me laugh so hard my family thinks I'm insane.
On March 30 2011 12:19 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:12 Coagulation wrote:
to be honest im 50 50 on if its you or jackal.
fuck if i know
It's obviously Lemon Walrus. Look at his posts. He posts long ass motherfucking posts when it's on nothing like bum's mayor vote and then one-liners when he needs to actually take a stance on something. Now he's come back and blames the both of you for "tricking him" when his PMs are scummy as fuck. All of them are like NO! WHAT ARE YO DOING! or like nah chill, we got him. He's 100% sure Tack is Scum. Why? Cause he knows Tack isn't. Mafia play with confidence when trying to get someone lynched. Town wavers. Even Foolishness or Bum wavers. Mafia will usually never waver.
Honestly, that is almost spot on with how I've been thinking about LW.
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On March 30 2011 13:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:52 OriginalName wrote:On March 30 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote:On March 30 2011 12:42 tnkted wrote:
Just a quick question: why are we suspecting lemon over jackal? I don't care if you suspect me or not. Shoot me. Lynch me. Just keep coag alive. hey Jack why is it that whenever you end up tunneling a townie and they die you just go all emo and quit. Its kinda detremental to your play and makes you seem really emo. I'm not getting fucking emo. I don't care it Tack died. I don't care that I was wrong. All I care about is keeping items from scum. The only way that can be accomplished is for me to die and then lynch Lemon. I'm green. I need to prove that to town. The only way I can do that is to die. Coag is green. The only way that can be proven is if he dies. Keep Coag alive and lynch Lemon. Scum doesn't get IG items. Red needs them to find the black team. I will not reveal how I know Coag is town. Let's just say my meta on him is exponentially greater that anybody elses.
So you're a fatalist? (Pun)
I'd prefer to keep as many townies alive from the IG as possible, but it doesn't seem likely that more than one will actually make it through. At this point, we're going to have to kill both you and lemon, unless some kind of extra information pops up. I'm more convinced you're town at the moment, because accepting your death makes you look town, but at the same time it introduces WIFOM. Would a mafia say kill me, then lynch him? Probably. The only town KP we know about is Coag's, someone claimed vig, but that isn't a confirmed KP, and Bum hinted at something. Only coag's is actually reliable (as in it exists for certain), and lemon has a vest. So that means you're the only shot we can take to actually expect a kill, unless coag gets redirected again. If you flip green, we lynch lemon. If anyone has an alternative plan, I'd like to hear it, it might help save a townie.
Also, I'd suggest to any tracker/watcher or w/e if it exists to watch Coag tonight. If a redirector visits him, you should be able to find him then, you'll just have to pick him out if a medic also visits, but at least that's another scum caught.
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On March 30 2011 11:29 CubEdIn wrote:
It made sense to lynch Lemon because he had the vest and we could've used the extra KP.
That's all the difference it made to me, as well as Tackster's goodbye post.
You guys should've followed the plan. I knew I should've brought in Ver's professor cool picture.
But no matter. No use arguing about what could've been, what should've been. Let's live for the present!
The vest thing is what really made me switch my vote. We couldn't just vig LW when Tack flipped scum. We can't. Besides Lemon's scummy-as-all-hell behaviour, he couldn't be killed at night. Wait,...
WAIT.
Someone could totally steal his vest tonight, no? Then, we could get him vigged. (Obviously, this only works if he's mafia.)
But, if we vig LW and he's not scum... then we lose?
Jackal, why do you want to die? Part of me thinks you're scum giving up (I do that sometimes). I don't know your play well, so I can't make a full judgment there, but it seems to me you could technically be scum. But... don't give up. I feel you legitimately care about the item game still which leads me to believe you're town, especially moreso that LW.
Right... what Mr.Wiggles said about having both Jackal and LW die tonight would be good (I don't see how we can make that happen unless we get a scum faction to help us out. Obv the mafia faction won't help out and it wouldn't be in black's best interests, would it?
Sorry guys, this is kind of a stream-of-consciousness. PMS is affecting the logical part of my brain.
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Oh no. There's a ( in there that really shouldn't be and it's driving me crazy.
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And you can't steal the vest if he's protecting it, which is of course what hes gonna do. So the solution is probably to roleblock him and then kill him, or something similar.
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Unless he was lying about the nature of his item... It does seem odd that he would have the only item that doesn't have a "use" feature.
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On March 30 2011 12:33 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I'm not red
and i'm not fake
you guys are about to incur ragewalrus
you won't like ragewalrus
Best post ever?
But in all seriousness. Since I obviously missed, it, can Coag or Jackal please tell me how they've confirmed each other to be town? I can't seem to find the post where they did in 161 pages of rage/spam.
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On March 30 2011 13:51 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:33 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I'm not red
and i'm not fake
you guys are about to incur ragewalrus
you won't like ragewalrus Best post ever? But in all seriousness. Since I obviously missed, it, can Coag or Jackal please tell me how they've confirmed each other to be town? I can't seem to find the post where they did in 161 pages of rage/spam.
They didn't confirm, it was a lie to get their plan to go forward. A gambit if you will. Their play though, compared to LW's has been very town.
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On March 30 2011 13:45 tnkted wrote:
And you can't steal the vest if he's protecting it, which is of course what hes gonna do. So the solution is probably to roleblock him and then kill him, or something similar.
I completely forgot that part.
On March 30 2011 13:50 Kavdragon wrote:
Unless he was lying about the nature of his item... It does seem odd that he would have the only item that doesn't have a "use" feature.
Indeed it does. Especially if he is scum, that would be a bit unfair, no? Either way it feels a little bizarre.
On March 30 2011 13:51 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:33 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I'm not red
and i'm not fake
you guys are about to incur ragewalrus
you won't like ragewalrus Best post ever? But in all seriousness. Since I obviously missed, it, can Coag or Jackal please tell me how they've confirmed each other to be town? I can't seem to find the post where they did in 161 pages of rage/spam.
I don't think they ever said it directly out here in public to all of us. I think it was based solely on reads.
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Eiii:
On March 26 2011 16:56 Eiii wrote:Mostly just checking in here, but I really don't like the tackster lynch for now. I had him as a pretty green read, and I CANNOT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DIDN'T CALL JACKAL OUT ON THIS Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:On March 26 2011 11:36 Lanaia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote:
Hola fellow townies. A fond fuck you to scum. I'm gonna do the same shit i did in XXXVII. I'm gonna start a shit storm of the absolute highest magnitude. I'm going to exceedingly piss off 3 IG players and I'm going to tell you guys to lay off three of them. But I'm not telling which 3 until tomorrow. And now I'm going to give town victory on day 1
#1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum.
#2 I want medic protection over night.
#3 If Tackster flips black I will shoot the other scum. If I miss and hit green the remaining one will be tomorrows lynch.
#4 Item game players can stop me from shooting them but they will be lynched.
#5 Did I say I need medic protection for this to work? If we don't have a medic I'm hosed but town is still going to win.
#6 I will not announce scum #2 until tomorrow.
#7 Worse case scenario is we have 4 confirmed townies plus bums circle of 3
#8 Best case scenario is we have 5 confirmed townies plus bums circle
#9 That's 8 vs the world
#10 Bum's circle is cops. They should be able to add more townies faster than scum can kill us.
#11 Scum of either black or red persuasion will immediately try to kill all of us in the IM game. If I do manage to survive night 1 town has a kp at their disposal on night 2 and I will shoot whoever you vote for. Caveat - There are a few who shall remain nameless at this point that I will not shoot.
#12 I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but I want bum and his team to have time to hash it all out. I am town. I can deliver at worst 2 out of 3 kills as scum or hopefully best case is 2 for 2.
#13 Town wins.
#14 Scum sucks.
#15 Stuff it noobs. I know what I'm doing.
#16. This is "Insane" Mafia remember!!!
It would be nine confirmed townies if you include bum himself, isn't it? Also, Jackal, why is Tackster scum? Consensus. I thought this was some kind of throwaway joke reply at first but the he started backing it up. Originally I was going to post another selection of quotes from him that I was gonna say made me question his previously-green status in my mind, but then I read over them and realized I was an idiot and missed the point of the posts entirely. I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town, but that doesn't mean we sheep after him all the time. If anyone in the item game should be lynched I think it should be darm, lemon and tack need more investigation.
Then...
On March 27 2011 17:14 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 00:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:On March 26 2011 16:56 Eiii wrote:Mostly just checking in here, but I really don't like the tackster lynch for now. I had him as a pretty green read, and I CANNOT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DIDN'T CALL JACKAL OUT ON THIS On March 26 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:On March 26 2011 11:36 Lanaia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote:
Hola fellow townies. A fond fuck you to scum. I'm gonna do the same shit i did in XXXVII. I'm gonna start a shit storm of the absolute highest magnitude. I'm going to exceedingly piss off 3 IG players and I'm going to tell you guys to lay off three of them. But I'm not telling which 3 until tomorrow. And now I'm going to give town victory on day 1
#1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum.
#2 I want medic protection over night.
#3 If Tackster flips black I will shoot the other scum. If I miss and hit green the remaining one will be tomorrows lynch.
#4 Item game players can stop me from shooting them but they will be lynched.
#5 Did I say I need medic protection for this to work? If we don't have a medic I'm hosed but town is still going to win.
#6 I will not announce scum #2 until tomorrow.
#7 Worse case scenario is we have 4 confirmed townies plus bums circle of 3
#8 Best case scenario is we have 5 confirmed townies plus bums circle
#9 That's 8 vs the world
#10 Bum's circle is cops. They should be able to add more townies faster than scum can kill us.
#11 Scum of either black or red persuasion will immediately try to kill all of us in the IM game. If I do manage to survive night 1 town has a kp at their disposal on night 2 and I will shoot whoever you vote for. Caveat - There are a few who shall remain nameless at this point that I will not shoot.
#12 I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but I want bum and his team to have time to hash it all out. I am town. I can deliver at worst 2 out of 3 kills as scum or hopefully best case is 2 for 2.
#13 Town wins.
#14 Scum sucks.
#15 Stuff it noobs. I know what I'm doing.
#16. This is "Insane" Mafia remember!!!
It would be nine confirmed townies if you include bum himself, isn't it? Also, Jackal, why is Tackster scum? Consensus. I thought this was some kind of throwaway joke reply at first but the he started backing it up. Originally I was going to post another selection of quotes from him that I was gonna say made me question his previously-green status in my mind, but then I read over them and realized I was an idiot and missed the point of the posts entirely. I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town, but that doesn't mean we sheep after him all the time. If anyone in the item game should be lynched I think it should be darm, lemon and tack need more investigation. That's definitely not the case. As of right now he's given us good direction for the first day and it's not worth discounting him because of things like "I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town..." I'm just catching up now but want to point out what I meant was lost here-- I meant DESPITE the fact that I felt (and probably others felt) jackal was town we shouldn't just go along with his plans when he doesn't offer anything to back them up, which he was doing quite a bit at the time. Obviously this pretty much goes without saying all the time but I wanted to show support for jackal without agreeing with his seemingly-arbitrary 'x is scum' statements.
But...
On March 29 2011 17:57 Eiii wrote:
It's fucking impossible to stay active when I check in the afternoon and there's twenty more pages for me to read. I feel like just about all the bases have been covered on what happened last night, and I'm gonna ##vote trackster for now.
It doesn't get counted but he arrives mere minutes before the end of day to revote...
On March 30 2011 10:54 Eiii wrote:
what
##Vote: Tackster
Explain yourself Eiii. You went from against Jackal's arbitrary statements yet follows it at the end. What gives?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200702¤tpage=138#2750
MZ does a post-by-post here
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Just a little housekeeping before I post the Amber analysis. First: Bum, sorry for flaming you earlier. I shouldn't have gotten personal. However my critique still stands. If you had made up your mind sooner then we'd have won the IG with the lynch. However you waffled back and forth and never gave the town a straight answer. I'm mostly fine with that as it keeps important information out of the hands of scum. However on and issue like this it would have been helpful to know why you went back and forth over Tack being town or not.
Second: Tack lynch was interesting, I should have stuck with my gut and voted for somebody not Tack (either Jackal or lemonwalrus). We did learn something because of the late voting so I'm going to bounce Eiii up from probably scum to almost certain scum. I'd highly encourage any vigis out there to take a shot at him. For reference here is my analysis of Eii
+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 18:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Alright here’s Eii Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 10:36 Eiii wrote:
holy shit this game took off didn't it
now that I've spent about three hours reading the thread only to refresh it and the end and find like ten pages to read, taking pages and pages of notes I can finally say:
what the fuck are you guys doing
It seems like every single mafia game I play (that goes past day two >:|) gets completely sidetracked by some dumb argument that degrades from an argument into just yelling the same shit at each other over and over. Whether it's better to elect someone from the item game or better to NOT elect someone from the item game or elect bum is important, but I swear nothing has happened in the last five pages because annul can't stop yelling about math and everyone else is just saying the same thing over and over. This is obviously NOT GOOD for town.
Since I somehow only got called out twice despite never posting all day, I'll show where I stand:
Electing bum would be great, having a townie circle with mayor at the head would be ideal. It's crazy that people are throwing so much weight behind bum or against him at this point considering it would be insane for anyone-- red, blue, or black-- to counterclaim bum before they get their roles. How I vote will depend entirely on what happens day 1, and there's no doubt it my mind that something significant will happen regarding bum's candidacy. Yeah no shit, I couldn’t believe how fast it went myself. Anyway the first point is completely true, the first day was a massive shitstorm (only to be topped by the second day though we did not know it). Eii is right; this is not good for the town. You did get called out for being inactive if I recall. Ok this is a pretty good post. He tells us that he wants a town mayor, that’s good. But beyond that he doesn’t say much, doesn’t give an opinion on whether Bum is town or not, in fact he doesn’t say much of anything. This is very solidly a “contributing without contributing post.” Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 10:39 Eiii wrote:On March 25 2011 09:50 GMarshal wrote:
Silence it is clear we are SCUM for opposing annul.
quick let us retreat to our eiiiiiiiiivil lair where we will murder kittens, drown puppies and elect blues to rule the town /evil laugh
prerole breadcrumbing, scum imo Also, since I'm pretty much an expert on inactivity, here's a list of people who I don't think have any significant contribution to the game yet:
beneather
amber
kevconsim
Kenpachi
Keep an eye on these guys, please <3 hypocrisy. If you’re such an expert than you should be able to avoid it. Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 10:50 Eiii wrote:On March 25 2011 10:41 GMarshal wrote:On March 25 2011 10:39 Eiii wrote:On March 25 2011 09:50 GMarshal wrote:
Silence it is clear we are SCUM for opposing annul.
quick let us retreat to our eiiiiiiiiivil lair where we will murder kittens, drown puppies and elect blues to rule the town /evil laugh
prerole breadcrumbing, scum imo Also, since I'm pretty much an expert on inactivity, here's a list of people who I don't think have any significant contribution to the game yet:
beneather
amber
kevconsim
Kenpachi
Keep an eye on these guys, please Well since you are all caught up Eii, who would you kill off if you had to use a daykill right now? orgo or ilovejohn, add them to my list above by the way. wut wut? So for reference these two posts were ten apart, he doesn’t take from anyone on his very recent list he just pulls two random dudes out of his hat and throws them on his list… lol? Why would you kill them? Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 10:52 Eiii wrote:
sweet :D
mine first please! hopefully now we can really get the game started and forget the last twenty pages ever happened. Don’t make me quote that Annul spam quote again Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 11:50 Eiii wrote:
Oh fuck I forgot voting was going to be done in a separate thread.
Unless I'm way off about this:
IF YOU VOTE IN THE THREAD, MAKE A NOTE OF THE VOTE HERE AS WELL EXPLAINING YOUR REASONING
voting threads seem really dangerous to me, potentially letting people go completely under the radar while still influencing each day's lynch. We have to set a precedence that silently voting WITHOUT at least mentioning it in this thread is extremely suspicious. I agree, this is a good idea. However the hypocrisy is getting a little rankling. And I almost feel like this falls under the category of contributing without contributing. Even scum can invent reasons to bandwagon vote, this is by no means a fool proof system. Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 13:01 Eiii wrote:On March 25 2011 13:00 Kenpachi wrote:
If you havent caught on, im not serious about my mayor campaign. Im really tired atm and ill provide as much insight as possible tmrw I am absolutely 100% looking forward to it spam it’s post like this that got us here. Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:02 Eiii wrote:
Voting bum, nothing big has happened that has changed my mind on the subject. But what was your reason in the first place? In a big thread it’s easy to get away with statements like this but when someone is looking at your posts one after the other it occurs to the watcher that you never gave a reason for voting Bum. What you’ve said so far is that your vote will depend entirely on what happens in the day… tell us what happened that made you vote Bum then. Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:08 Eiii wrote:
as well as brownbean, we need to keep a pretty close eye on beneather and kevconsim... both are 100% sheeping/lurking and have actually contributed nothing this game while just hopping on the bum bandwagon. I feel like I might as well stop analyzing here. Hypocrisy and contributing without contributing. I don’t know which side you’re batting for Eii it’s not for the town. Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 16:56 Eiii wrote:Mostly just checking in here, but I really don't like the tackster lynch for now. I had him as a pretty green read, and I CANNOT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DIDN'T CALL JACKAL OUT ON THIS On March 26 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:On March 26 2011 11:36 Lanaia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote:
Hola fellow townies. A fond fuck you to scum. I'm gonna do the same shit i did in XXXVII. I'm gonna start a shit storm of the absolute highest magnitude. I'm going to exceedingly piss off 3 IG players and I'm going to tell you guys to lay off three of them. But I'm not telling which 3 until tomorrow. And now I'm going to give town victory on day 1
#1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum.
#2 I want medic protection over night.
#3 If Tackster flips black I will shoot the other scum. If I miss and hit green the remaining one will be tomorrows lynch.
#4 Item game players can stop me from shooting them but they will be lynched.
#5 Did I say I need medic protection for this to work? If we don't have a medic I'm hosed but town is still going to win.
#6 I will not announce scum #2 until tomorrow.
#7 Worse case scenario is we have 4 confirmed townies plus bums circle of 3
#8 Best case scenario is we have 5 confirmed townies plus bums circle
#9 That's 8 vs the world
#10 Bum's circle is cops. They should be able to add more townies faster than scum can kill us.
#11 Scum of either black or red persuasion will immediately try to kill all of us in the IM game. If I do manage to survive night 1 town has a kp at their disposal on night 2 and I will shoot whoever you vote for. Caveat - There are a few who shall remain nameless at this point that I will not shoot.
#12 I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but I want bum and his team to have time to hash it all out. I am town. I can deliver at worst 2 out of 3 kills as scum or hopefully best case is 2 for 2.
#13 Town wins.
#14 Scum sucks.
#15 Stuff it noobs. I know what I'm doing.
#16. This is "Insane" Mafia remember!!!
It would be nine confirmed townies if you include bum himself, isn't it? Also, Jackal, why is Tackster scum? Consensus. I thought this was some kind of throwaway joke reply at first but the he started backing it up. Originally I was going to post another selection of quotes from him that I was gonna say made me question his previously-green status in my mind, but then I read over them and realized I was an idiot and missed the point of the posts entirely. I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town, but that doesn't mean we sheep after him all the time. If anyone in the item game should be lynched I think it should be darm, lemon and tack need more investigation. This is choice. The first time he takes a stand it’s to defend someone who is almost certain red. Now I know, we can go back and see that around this time I thought Tack was town and Jackal was scum as well so I can’t go too hard on this post. Also lol at him starting his post saying OMG GAIS LOOK AT THIS TERRIBLE POST BY JACKAL but then lol at those “posts” that he claims he had which he was going to use to question Jackal’s towness but didn’t post because they didn’t prove what he wanted. When you do an analysis the goal should not be to prove but to ANALYZE. If you have analysis then post it. It may not turn out how you thought, see my analysis of BB, but if you can partially confirm someone via analysis then that’s a boon for the town. As I said I can’t go too hard on this post but it’s definitely still worth noting. Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 01:41 Eiii wrote:On March 27 2011 00:51 Insanious wrote:
So... Jackal you do realize YOU and darmousseh are the ONLY players in the item game that have NOT shown that they know what the town alignment PM is...
So basically YOU and darmousseh DID NOT GET ONE. er, jackal (despite not finding any hints) passed the prove-you're-town-by-posting-your-alignment-PM with pretty much flying colors as far as I'm concerned. What the fuck? I mean seriously what is this post supposed to even mean? Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 01:41 Eiii wrote:On March 27 2011 01:26 tnkted wrote:
And please stop calling me twinkle toes, I really have no idea where you are getting that nickname and its fairly condescending. you have doomed yourself the only reason I’m posting this is to illustrate the spam Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 10:37 Eiii wrote:
Just checking in to make sure I don't need to change my vote. I also assumed that item game players would just be vanilla townies that could use items, I feel like that was pretty clear :/
lesson: make zero assumptions! Read the OP maybe? Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 17:14 Eiii wrote:On March 27 2011 00:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:On March 26 2011 16:56 Eiii wrote:Mostly just checking in here, but I really don't like the tackster lynch for now. I had him as a pretty green read, and I CANNOT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DIDN'T CALL JACKAL OUT ON THIS On March 26 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:On March 26 2011 11:36 Lanaia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote:
Hola fellow townies. A fond fuck you to scum. I'm gonna do the same shit i did in XXXVII. I'm gonna start a shit storm of the absolute highest magnitude. I'm going to exceedingly piss off 3 IG players and I'm going to tell you guys to lay off three of them. But I'm not telling which 3 until tomorrow. And now I'm going to give town victory on day 1
#1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum.
#2 I want medic protection over night.
#3 If Tackster flips black I will shoot the other scum. If I miss and hit green the remaining one will be tomorrows lynch.
#4 Item game players can stop me from shooting them but they will be lynched.
#5 Did I say I need medic protection for this to work? If we don't have a medic I'm hosed but town is still going to win.
#6 I will not announce scum #2 until tomorrow.
#7 Worse case scenario is we have 4 confirmed townies plus bums circle of 3
#8 Best case scenario is we have 5 confirmed townies plus bums circle
#9 That's 8 vs the world
#10 Bum's circle is cops. They should be able to add more townies faster than scum can kill us.
#11 Scum of either black or red persuasion will immediately try to kill all of us in the IM game. If I do manage to survive night 1 town has a kp at their disposal on night 2 and I will shoot whoever you vote for. Caveat - There are a few who shall remain nameless at this point that I will not shoot.
#12 I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but I want bum and his team to have time to hash it all out. I am town. I can deliver at worst 2 out of 3 kills as scum or hopefully best case is 2 for 2.
#13 Town wins.
#14 Scum sucks.
#15 Stuff it noobs. I know what I'm doing.
#16. This is "Insane" Mafia remember!!!
It would be nine confirmed townies if you include bum himself, isn't it? Also, Jackal, why is Tackster scum? Consensus. I thought this was some kind of throwaway joke reply at first but the he started backing it up. Originally I was going to post another selection of quotes from him that I was gonna say made me question his previously-green status in my mind, but then I read over them and realized I was an idiot and missed the point of the posts entirely. I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town, but that doesn't mean we sheep after him all the time. If anyone in the item game should be lynched I think it should be darm, lemon and tack need more investigation. That's definitely not the case. As of right now he's given us good direction for the first day and it's not worth discounting him because of things like "I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town..." I'm just catching up now but want to point out what I meant was lost here-- I meant DESPITE the fact that I felt (and probably others felt) jackal was town we shouldn't just go along with his plans when he doesn't offer anything to back them up, which he was doing quite a bit at the time. Obviously this pretty much goes without saying all the time but I wanted to show support for jackal without agreeing with his seemingly-arbitrary 'x is scum' statements. I’m just catching up now… how many times have we heard that? Seriously people, let’s not post until we know absolutely what the hell is going on. Woa! You thought Jackal was town. I guess you did but reading your other post sort of made it sound like you wanted to have it both ways. It sounded like you thought Jackal was actually scum, made an “analysis” and realized it didn’t prove your point. I’m actually not sure what the fuck this post is saying; he’s voicing his support for Jackal but not his plan? How does that even work? I’d say this is an excellent example of contributing without contributing. Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 18:17 Eiii wrote:
ahahahahah this is the most hilarious game of mafia ever played spam Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 08:05 Eiii wrote:On March 28 2011 06:32 deconduo wrote:On March 28 2011 06:21 iGrok wrote:
10. Eiii - A couple really good posts, not much more than that. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
30. Eiii - I think I remember one post, and he put alot of thought into it? I DONT REMEMBER EXACTLY. YOU ANALYZE IT.
? I'm just that important. ironically enough I'll become more active once I get back to school. What’s ironic about the embedded quote is that I never found anything remotely resembling a good post in Eii’s history. He once again makes excuses about activity. Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 10:07 Eiii wrote:I don't know about the items being RNG'd On March 27 2011 15:34 annul wrote:
okay.
my item is hot potato. 25% chance to blow up myself and anyone visiting me at night.
i have the option to detonate it early, killing myself and any night visitors.
since night vig probably resolves before the end of night, you're probably safe. but if not, then congratulations, you are dead.
incoming all item game PMs. This seems like an item that would only be even remotely useful on a green, I could see the items being distributed by alignment with something like this in the pool. Really worthless post here, just speculation about how the items were distributed, if it’s that big of a deal ask LSB. And LSB answers in two posts saying they were RNG’d thus rendering this whole post worthless. Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 13:31 Eiii wrote:
Aww, I'm on a scumlist now? :/ I eagerly await your reasons then, kav.
Quick question: If the whole IG plan was to bait the scum player into stealing jackal's items, why did jackal just let it get stolen instead of protecting it? That's the one thing that I'm confused by in this whole affair. Mhmmm this is a point in Kav’s favor if you’re on his scum list. You’d be on anyone’s scum list who isn’t obsessed with the IG. His question is legitimate but at this point that doesn’t make him town at all, he could just be scum trying to figure the reasoning behind what was going on. In fact that’s my final verdict here. Eiii is scum. He shows classic examples of CWC, spams the thread, and is generally incoherent in a way that fully suggests scum to me. I’m not sure which faction and I’m not certain enough to include a picture of professor awesome, but right now I’d be happy with lynching Eiii once the IG gets cleared up (although who knows when that’ll happen  ). Alright I'm pushing three am and I have class tomorrow. I'm tired and my analysis is probably going to go down hill from here (if it hasn't already started ). Tomorrow I'll hit the rest of my list when I get the chance. Amber your next.
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On March 25 2011 09:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 09:49 annul wrote:
hahahahahahah
ive only been arguing this entire time that bum is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT confirmed.
can he be blue? sure. is he CONFIRMED? of course not. We're not going to "confirm" a player in time to elect them for mayor. It's a necessary risk so I don't really understand why you're arguing the point.
Yup this is true. Good start here; we really have no way of confirming the mayor day one but what Bum offered was the next best thing. He was a whole lot more confirmed than Annul at that point.
On March 26 2011 07:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 05:34 GMarshal wrote:
Amber[Light] wherefore art thou? you have one post on page 42 or so and that is it. I want to see you post more or I might have to become suspicious, and if I become too suspicious I have to ensure your death, which would sadden me greatly. Alas some sacrifices must me made for the greater good of the town. So post damnit, your only post is one of the agree with the bum vote posts, I want some opinions from you!
Yah I know I haven't been active so far I was waiting for the Day post to come up before I began posting. I didn't really want to commit to a plan or begin constructing a plan until the game "officially" began. Besides that the annul spam-fest was becoming incredibly overwhelming so I just didn't even want to participate in that. I think Bum would be a good mayor. I also feel like the election is a little too one-sided and it's worrying me a bit. I won't be voting for someone for the time being. I just wanted to touch on one other post I spotted that is very important. Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 05:55 darmousseh wrote:
I'm not super active mostly because of work, but I will respond to pms from people in the item game. I'ts important we identify greens so we can work together.
I'm trying to decide who to vote for, but it looks like it doesn't matter since bum is leading. We can't lynch today, no one has really done or said anything interesting. On day 0-1, theres always too much speculation going around. The whole annul thing is probably blown out of proportion and i'm also talking to people in the item game since it's important to make sure that the baddies don't get their hands on those items.
The item game people
1. Coagulation - is not as crazy as normal.
2. darmousseh -thats me!
3. Jackal58 - not really anything interesting yet
4. annul - obviously of interest, but probably is town
5. Tackster - no idea
6. Lemonwalrus - nothing interesting
Finding the two baddies is very very important and we will need to focus lynch targets probably on that group, but at the same time if the mafia is smart, they will leave people there alive until the last moment in order to drag out the amount of time spent on deciding who to lynch. The 6 of us are obviously high night kill targets too so identifying the baddies is the most important thing right now.
My gut says coag is probably not town and that one of the newer players is also not town.
I gotta agree with this completely. The best way for a townie victory on the item game is to begin whittling down this list. The items will become very important later on as well [I hope]. I think Annul and Coagulation are two persons of interest. Annul is probably green. There's no way I could believe that someone who's been productively spamming this thread is red. Coagulation is not playing crazy. He's being punctual with his posts and it's not like his play from previous games. Then again his play from previous games looks nothing like his play from games before those. I am convinced that Coagulation is pro town, regardless of how much bb code he places on my name in a list.
This post is interesting. He thinks Bum would be a good mayor but he’s worried with how one sided the election is. He also quotes Darm (the CEO) and says he agrees with it completely. Really? He thinks we should just start shooting in to the IG to kill people and whittle it down? I don’t like that very much :/. What’s also interesting about this post here is how noncommittal he is. He offers both Coag and Annul as persons of interest but then calls them both protown… unless he’s talking about persons of interest for a medic protect then he’s pretty much contradicting himself in one paragraph.
On March 27 2011 00:40 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 16:56 Eiii wrote:Mostly just checking in here, but I really don't like the tackster lynch for now. I had him as a pretty green read, and I CANNOT BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE DIDN'T CALL JACKAL OUT ON THIS On March 26 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:On March 26 2011 11:36 Lanaia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote:
Hola fellow townies. A fond fuck you to scum. I'm gonna do the same shit i did in XXXVII. I'm gonna start a shit storm of the absolute highest magnitude. I'm going to exceedingly piss off 3 IG players and I'm going to tell you guys to lay off three of them. But I'm not telling which 3 until tomorrow. And now I'm going to give town victory on day 1
#1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum.
#2 I want medic protection over night.
#3 If Tackster flips black I will shoot the other scum. If I miss and hit green the remaining one will be tomorrows lynch.
#4 Item game players can stop me from shooting them but they will be lynched.
#5 Did I say I need medic protection for this to work? If we don't have a medic I'm hosed but town is still going to win.
#6 I will not announce scum #2 until tomorrow.
#7 Worse case scenario is we have 4 confirmed townies plus bums circle of 3
#8 Best case scenario is we have 5 confirmed townies plus bums circle
#9 That's 8 vs the world
#10 Bum's circle is cops. They should be able to add more townies faster than scum can kill us.
#11 Scum of either black or red persuasion will immediately try to kill all of us in the IM game. If I do manage to survive night 1 town has a kp at their disposal on night 2 and I will shoot whoever you vote for. Caveat - There are a few who shall remain nameless at this point that I will not shoot.
#12 I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but I want bum and his team to have time to hash it all out. I am town. I can deliver at worst 2 out of 3 kills as scum or hopefully best case is 2 for 2.
#13 Town wins.
#14 Scum sucks.
#15 Stuff it noobs. I know what I'm doing.
#16. This is "Insane" Mafia remember!!!
It would be nine confirmed townies if you include bum himself, isn't it? Also, Jackal, why is Tackster scum? Consensus. I thought this was some kind of throwaway joke reply at first but the he started backing it up. Originally I was going to post another selection of quotes from him that I was gonna say made me question his previously-green status in my mind, but then I read over them and realized I was an idiot and missed the point of the posts entirely. I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town, but that doesn't mean we sheep after him all the time. If anyone in the item game should be lynched I think it should be darm, lemon and tack need more investigation. That's definitely not the case. As of right now he's given us good direction for the first day and it's not worth discounting him because of things like "I'm hovering around 80% sure jackal's town..." I'm still a little lost on the item game concept other than the items are going to be beneficial later. Focusing on the item game players would be good if we want to get the item game over with. This is a huge risk though because if we mess up the items could go to another party. I think it should be up to the item game players to battle it out amongst each other in the thread. It's harder for the other 20+ players to just jump in and start throwing punches. We should be focusing on other things like finding scummy players within the thread. I'm going to look into a couple of players outside of the item game who are playing differently. Don't count on this before the end of the day though, but I'll try to get it closer to ~8 PM tonight whenever I'm available again. For now I'm going to throw my mayor vote on bum just to avoid death. I still find it a bit unsettling that the election is almost entirely on bum. This isn't going to benefit us later for scum hunting.
This is a very bland post. However I agree with most of it. It would have been better if the IG had just slugged it out, if tnkted hadn’t interfered then we probably wouldn’t have lynched Tack since it’s almost certain that lemonwalrus is scum. The last paragraph is a very good one and it’s what I’m trying to do, I’m trying to analyze people who aren’t in the IG so when it’s over we’re not all “derp what now, we know nothing.” However, while I agree with the premise of this post, I’m not liking the messenger. Amber hasn’t really delivered. His promised analysis never arrived.
On March 27 2011 02:39 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 02:35 Tackster wrote:
Thinking about it now if scum have a DT item then it does them no good really as far as the item game goes. That leaves them with other powers (such as a killing shot) with which they would be stronger. I assume that scum weren't given non-scummy items but since this is insane mafia and it's a mini-game then it's possible.
Anyway the point is if a town is lynched d1 and all the town use then even if none are killed at night scum could steal from 2 out of 3. That leaves us with little information to work with. If scum kill another town then that leaves us with almost no information...
Darmo what do you think of all greens agreeing to steal instead? Wouldn't a DT item help scum identify black players? Or even blues? You shouldn't discount the strength of an ability because it seems protown. Would advise reading PYP mafia games if you don't agree...
Good point.
On March 28 2011 11:12 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious some people were not happy with Annul during Day 1. Shame he was a bodyguard too the other bodyguard needs to keep himself out of the fray, if he hasn't already been removed from the massive arguments and nonsensical FOSing that was going on during Day 1 ;/
LOOOOOOOOL yeah. Someone needs to read the thread better. However if he just changed the name to GM it would be a decent post. The other bodyguard should be keeping a low profile because we can’t afford to lose our confirmed blue mayor. Note: he does clarify this a few posts later.
On March 28 2011 13:18 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 13:00 Lanaia wrote:
@Kavdragon Will you be sharing with us the reason you think you were hit or would you prefer not to? He doesn't think he was hit, he says he took a hit. Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 12:31 Kavdragon wrote:
Right, just got back online. I've not read up yet, but I took a hit last night. Gotta account for this as well. I really don't like this bandwagoning that's going on. Yah it's really suspicious that your hit got swapped but it just seems too convenient. We're allowing the trigger happy coag run the show. Are we going to see a townie fall today because of your short-sighted analysis?
Weak post. I’m beginning to see a pattern here. The point is good but he just kinda throws it out there without really standing for it. Obviously the bandwagon turned out to be a terrible thing but it’s this kind of posting that allowed it to get the way it did. If you’re worried about a trend then speak up! If you’re town then you’ve got nothing to hide.
On March 29 2011 23:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:29 deconduo wrote:On March 29 2011 22:25 Jackal58 wrote:
So if a black was hit why claim it?
Safest thing to do. No reason for a townie to stay quiet if he was hit. If it was a mafia hit, mafia would know he's black. If it was a vig hit, vig would know he's red/black. This is pretty spot on. It'd standard to claim you were hit immediately after it happens. Hiding out and waiting for someone else to claim usually hurts more than helps.
Agreement agreement agreement, that’s all I’m ever hearing. This post does absolutely NOTHING. The question was already answered and Amber’s just hoping on the back side of that to look useful. PEOPLE WHEN YOU DO THIS IT MAKES MY SCUMDAR GO HAYWIRE. This post is most definitely CWC.
On March 30 2011 06:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 05:43 tnkted wrote:
Sorry for spamming, I'm done now.
Lets look at the evidence against Tackster for a minute. What exactly is it? He was accused by Coag and Jackal of being mafia before night 1 even happened because...? anyone remember why?
Then on day 2, after GM etc died a plausible explanation for why Tackster was mafia suddenly emerged. Ironically, it came from, again, Coag and Jackal.
Lemon meanwhile contentedly watched the proceedings from the sidelines. Why didn't he defend Tackster? I mean, somebody just tallied up the votes, and absolutely none of them was any objective analysis of Tackster's play.
Hypothesis:
A new player will often tend to be more paranoid than an older player because the new player doesn't know what sort of behaviors are commonly trustable and which aren't. This is why you see me pointing FOS's at everybody who blinks twice; I don't know who is playing me for a fool.
Lemon didn't do that at all. He happily accepted Jackal and Coag's plan.
I am also considering switching my vote, although now IDK whether its between Jackal or Lemon. FOS Jackal or Coag and see what players become the most paranoid. Honestly Deconduo can you really blame me for the hardcore lurking? Excessive posts are extremely excessive. There's clearly a bunch of nooby mafia players in this game but the spam fest continues and continues. This is overwhelming. Remember guys less is more and this isn't a quantity battle. The game is not to see who screams the loudest. I think the item game has really added a mind-fuck mechanic to this game that has got people going bonkers looking for one mafia member. I'm actually hoping that by tomorrow the item game is pretty much a thing of the past. I also realize that the only way to have a townie win is to get rid of the mafioso in the group. Tack seems to be the best target, but don't forget.....When this item game is over, the mafia player in that game knows he is probably outted and more or less dead anyway. Would he even bother to put up a fight? Does an item game victory guarantee the mafia enough to salvage 1 life? Is tack just allowing himself to sink? I mean yah he's trying to keep himself alive but no one is really going towards his aid anyway. If the town consensus is to go ahead and lynch Tack then I'll vote that way. He's either been abandoned by his own team or he's alone already and no one wants to really stick out their neck for him.
You’ll lynch Tack because it’s what the town wants to do but you also FoS Coag and Jackal? This is pretty contradictory. I know you said it was to make them squirm but you never actually did anything to make them squirm. Also, when you lynch someone it should be for reasons other than “it’s the consensus” this sort of sheeping is what loses the town games. You also make excuses for inactivity. Well, if you just posted once or twice a day with actual opinions then we probably wouldn’t even be here analyzing you. Instead you’ve just parroted what other people have said and CWC’d.
On March 30 2011 06:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 06:21 GGQ wrote:On March 30 2011 06:17 LSB wrote:On March 30 2011 05:26 chaoser wrote:
LSB, are blacks immune to bombs such as the hot potato?
I don't know if blacks are, usually they're immune to night hits which are bullets, not explosions like bombs. Third party are immune from all KP unless explicitly stated that the KP can go through bulletproof. In this case since the bomb did not state it goes through bulletproof, the third party is immune from it. That's really different from regular bulletproof tbh... probably should have been stated in the OP. I've been operating on the assumption that they are just 'bullet' proof. Most TL Mafia games [IIRC] state that 3rd party players with bulletproof are actually night kill proof [they only die to lynches], and I'm assuming most of the players in this game were playing this game with that same description in mind.
If you had dozens of good posts in the thread and had been actively engaged in the discussion then I would have let this post slide as merely someone answering a question. But when you’ve already had such a poor record this just adds to it because you’re just posting so you can say “look I posted!”
On March 30 2011 07:07 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 07:05 LSB wrote:On March 30 2011 06:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:On March 30 2011 06:21 GGQ wrote:On March 30 2011 06:17 LSB wrote:On March 30 2011 05:26 chaoser wrote:
LSB, are blacks immune to bombs such as the hot potato?
I don't know if blacks are, usually they're immune to night hits which are bullets, not explosions like bombs. Third party are immune from all KP unless explicitly stated that the KP can go through bulletproof. In this case since the bomb did not state it goes through bulletproof, the third party is immune from it. That's really different from regular bulletproof tbh... probably should have been stated in the OP. I've been operating on the assumption that they are just 'bullet' proof. Most TL Mafia games [IIRC] state that 3rd party players with bulletproof are actually night kill proof [they only die to lynches], and I'm assuming most of the players in this game were playing this game with that same description in mind. Uhh. There no difference between the bulletproof of Insane and other games. I know. I'm agreeing with you.
Woop de doo that’s his last post as of now. Lurking? Check. CWC? Check. Mindless agreement and sheeping? Check. Waffling and indecisiveness? Check. This call is a pretty easy scum call imo.
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I don't think it's fair to blame bum. You yourself didn't vote for LW till late. We all wavered because of how convinced Jackal and Coag were. Clearly a lesson can be learned here. An "oops" is not always enough Coag. Maybe we lost the IG? I don't know, it's up to luck and the blues now. Like the vets say, we shouldn't depend on plans, we should depend on analysis. When I finally went back to look at LW's post throughout the game I noticed the change in style from big long fluff filled posts to one-line throw aways. Thankfully I was able to almost save Tack and the last few votes were very telling. Hopefully we can gleam something from them.
As of now, FoS Eiii, Insanious, Lemonwalrus, Beneather, Brownbear and orgolove
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Ok so my next target was going to be Decondou but since I first made my list I'm feeling a lot better about him, he's posted some analysis on Kav which I'm still uncertain of but it did make some sense and he's contributing and not spamming (like so many others) so he gets a gold star :D.
Anyway I'm going to get started on Beneather now.
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