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On September 04 2012 10:16 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 10:12 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello folks ^^
I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone.
A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker.
Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? Ah, I see, thanks  No, I haven't. So far I have only played in newbie xxiv, as scum. I've skimmed through the posts, and I'm still contemplating the implication of these new roles, and trying to figure out if it makes sense for noisy neighbors to claim. There are a lot of parallel discussions going on, but right now the filter I dislike the most is Sloosh's. Instead of attempting to make cases, he keeps asking questions and doesn't attempt to read peoples posts. 11/14 of his posts have questions, and I think this adds more confusion than it answers them. --Snip-- This is a scumread... really? Reads the exact opposite to me. I would agree with you if these questions were to provoke discussion. Except that some of his questions: "Do you think I'm scum by my first post?" "Where did I do that?" "What makes you think I think that?" Seem like avoidable questions that can be answered just reading. Instead of reading thoroughly, he simply keeps asking questions and doesn't move the discussion forward. Seems like an easy way to look town to me.
Do they not provoke discussion? Him and Toadsstern were the center of the early-game discussion, and it seems pretty silly to be critical of someone's filter when they took it upon themselves to get things going. He sounds like a townie that's poking and prodding, looking for answers. This won't make him popular in the early game, but it does give me a town read on him.
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On September 04 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 10:12 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello folks ^^
I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone.
A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker.
Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? Ah, I see, thanks No, I haven't. So far I have only played in newbie xxiv, as scum. I've skimmed through the posts, and I'm still contemplating the implication of these new roles, and trying to figure out if it makes sense for noisy neighbors to claim. There are a lot of parallel discussions going on, but right now the filter I dislike the most is Sloosh's. Instead of attempting to make cases, he keeps asking questions and doesn't attempt to read peoples posts. 11/14 of his posts have questions, and I think this adds more confusion than it answers them. --Snip-- This is a scumread... really? Reads the exact opposite to me. I would agree with you if these questions were to provoke discussion. Except that some of his questions: "Do you think I'm scum by my first post?" "Where did I do that?" "What makes you think I think that?" Seem like avoidable questions that can be answered just reading. Instead of reading thoroughly, he simply keeps asking questions and doesn't move the discussion forward. Seems like an easy way to look town to me. Do they not provoke discussion? Him and Toadsstern were the center of the early-game discussion, and it seems pretty silly to be critical of someone's filter when they took it upon themselves to get things going. He sounds like a townie that's poking and prodding, looking for answers. This won't make him popular in the early game, but it does give me a town read on him.
What gave you the impression that sloOsh's the one poking around and prodding while I am the evil mastermind trying to get people lynched?
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As for an early-game scumread, I'm suspicious of DarthPunk.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=15#285
In his only substantial post, he's very critical of the early-game play of two players. He calls mattchew's vote "retarded" but doesn't attempt to say if it's scummy or not. He doesn't ask questions about their motives - he's just critical, and that seems scummy to me.
##Vote DarthPunk
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On September 04 2012 10:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 10:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 10:12 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello folks ^^
I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone.
A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker.
Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? Ah, I see, thanks No, I haven't. So far I have only played in newbie xxiv, as scum. I've skimmed through the posts, and I'm still contemplating the implication of these new roles, and trying to figure out if it makes sense for noisy neighbors to claim. There are a lot of parallel discussions going on, but right now the filter I dislike the most is Sloosh's. Instead of attempting to make cases, he keeps asking questions and doesn't attempt to read peoples posts. 11/14 of his posts have questions, and I think this adds more confusion than it answers them. --Snip-- This is a scumread... really? Reads the exact opposite to me. I would agree with you if these questions were to provoke discussion. Except that some of his questions: "Do you think I'm scum by my first post?" "Where did I do that?" "What makes you think I think that?" Seem like avoidable questions that can be answered just reading. Instead of reading thoroughly, he simply keeps asking questions and doesn't move the discussion forward. Seems like an easy way to look town to me. Do they not provoke discussion? Him and Toadsstern were the center of the early-game discussion, and it seems pretty silly to be critical of someone's filter when they took it upon themselves to get things going. He sounds like a townie that's poking and prodding, looking for answers. This won't make him popular in the early game, but it does give me a town read on him. What gave you the impression that sloOsh's the one poking around and prodding while I am the evil mastermind trying to get people lynched?
Where did I say that? I think you're both town - that much should be inferred from my post.
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On September 04 2012 10:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:25 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 10:16 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 10:12 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello folks ^^
I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone.
A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker.
Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? Ah, I see, thanks No, I haven't. So far I have only played in newbie xxiv, as scum. I've skimmed through the posts, and I'm still contemplating the implication of these new roles, and trying to figure out if it makes sense for noisy neighbors to claim. There are a lot of parallel discussions going on, but right now the filter I dislike the most is Sloosh's. Instead of attempting to make cases, he keeps asking questions and doesn't attempt to read peoples posts. 11/14 of his posts have questions, and I think this adds more confusion than it answers them. --Snip-- This is a scumread... really? Reads the exact opposite to me. I would agree with you if these questions were to provoke discussion. Except that some of his questions: "Do you think I'm scum by my first post?" "Where did I do that?" "What makes you think I think that?" Seem like avoidable questions that can be answered just reading. Instead of reading thoroughly, he simply keeps asking questions and doesn't move the discussion forward. Seems like an easy way to look town to me. Do they not provoke discussion? Him and Toadsstern were the center of the early-game discussion, and it seems pretty silly to be critical of someone's filter when they took it upon themselves to get things going. He sounds like a townie that's poking and prodding, looking for answers. This won't make him popular in the early game, but it does give me a town read on him. What gave you the impression that sloOsh's the one poking around and prodding while I am the evil mastermind trying to get people lynched? Where did I say that? I think you're both town - that much should be inferred from my post.
Oh considering this post:On September 04 2012 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:26 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah I know what the role does, so what about it? I'll ask a question if I don't understand something. there is no information given to the role, it is a VT that (randomly) visits people. If a tracker or watcher see me on their check it could lead to a stupid mislynch Ah thanks for clearing it up. I'm just a bit wary of D1 claims in general after having seen SnB's "self-aware miller" claim in DeathNote Mini Mafia, justified or not. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim? ##vote hapahauli need an honest answer. What do you consider worse: a) People not thinking while posting / reading b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him. Howabout c) People who pick fights with people who are trying to start conversation (slOosh) for the sake of picking fights?
I figured you were referring to sloOsh being the guy in the shiny armor because you said
This won't make him popular in the early game, but it does give me a town read on him.
Thought him is singular and figured your read on me had not changed that quickly.
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anyways 3:30 am. Going to be, cya in a couple hours.
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Nope - I certainly disagreed with your play, but it's townie-motivated (fwiw on day 1). Goodnight and see ya tomm.
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On September 04 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:As for an early-game scumread, I'm suspicious of DarthPunk. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=15#285In his only substantial post, he's very critical of the early-game play of two players. He calls mattchew's vote "retarded" but doesn't attempt to say if it's scummy or not. He doesn't ask questions about their motives - he's just critical, and that seems scummy to me. ##Vote DarthPunk
On September 04 2012 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
By throwing a policy vote on Bill Murray immediately and then getting into a protracted defense of this vote you essentially move into a situation in which you take no real position and push a potential mislynch which you would suffer zero consequences from. Seems like an ideal Position for scum to take.
Motive. It amazes me that you seem to find enough to vote for me on the basis of one post. And that the reasoning behind it was a stretch. I suppose you want me not to be critical? should I just congratulate everyone on how wonderful a job they are doing instead?
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Was more talking about the first half - walking into a thread and calling mattchew's vote "retarded" doesn't strike me as very townie, especially if you say nothing else about it.
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On September 04 2012 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:17 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:16 Hapahauli wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. Hold up. Why would we want people with information roles to claim? ##vote hapahauli Am I missing something here or is this vote just ridiculous? I completely understand claiming nosy neighbour or miller day one, and encourage people with those roles to claim in order to stave off potential mislynches in the future. But immediatly voting someone who questions you seems overly defensive IMO. Talking about retarded voting
do you want me to respond to this?
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On September 04 2012 10:43 Hapahauli wrote:
Was more talking about the first half - walking into a thread and calling mattchew's vote "retarded" doesn't strike me as very townie, especially if you say nothing else about it.
OK would you like to explain to me why a vote on someone with no explanation aside from a quote of a seemingly innocuous question is not silly?
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Because if you've read the last page, it should be pretty clear why he did so.
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On September 04 2012 10:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Because if you've read the last page, it should be pretty clear why he did so.
or the fact that i didn't even actually vote you
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Then why did you ask the question in the first place if it was so blindingly obvious that it was something so obviously bad to ask that you would be insta-voted with no explanation? And I will not apologise for calling Mattchews vote retarded. Quoting a question and voting does not satisfy my need for a reasonable case before a vote.
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On September 04 2012 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Then why did you ask the question in the first place if it was so blindingly obvious that it was something so obviously bad to ask that you would be insta-voted with no explanation? And I will not apologise for calling Mattchews vote retarded. Quoting a question and voting does not satisfy my need for a reasonable case before a vote.
what are you harping on about?
the vote was to make him realize he was being thick
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Okay this is getting nowhere fast. Howbout this - other than being "retarded", does it make you lean one way or another toward Mattchew's alignment?
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Why you guys post so much while I sleep? >_>
Reading....
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Hey all
A couple general observations for what I've just read:
-I don't follow some of the voting that's already taken place in this thread. I don't get why some of us feel the need to vote for each other this early with little to no information to back a vote up. Imho, we should be working to establish a strong, pro-town atmosphere just as much as we are to find a lynch candidate for today.
-I remember Hapa saying this once before: lynching one of the most vocal members day one is typically not the best idea. Looking back at how NMM XXIV turned out (Shady's lynch), others here should agree with me that there's at least some evidence to support this. Town loses so much more from a mislynch of a vocal town than of a semi-lurker, and, at least in my experience, you're much more likely to lynch a town than a scum when you target the most vocal day one player.
I'm not going to assume that sloosh is town at this point, but the effort he's taken to pressure others with his posts is definitely conducive towards a pro-town atmosphere. Along those lines, I feel that Z-Boson's early vote on sloosh could very well be scum motivated. I disagree that sloosh's discussion is unhelpful. Maybe scum or town could pressure people like sloosh has, but he's pushing for more information so he's not stuck making a weak case against others, as Z-Boson has with sloosh:
##FoS: Z-Boson
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On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote:
I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Just saw this post. You are scum sup.
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