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Targeting inactives is hit and miss. Well, that's kinda a given for the mayoral lynch, isn't it? The only hard piece of data we have which directly co-relates to town success is being used to direct our first move; somehow I don't see that as a terrible move. If people have exams, like I do, that's fine, but at least the vast majority that do have posted something about it.
Unless someone comes out and completely self incriminates them self(and I'm more of the opinion that Quickstriker is a rage filled retard rather than mafia), ALL our choices are hit and miss. The question is HOW hit and miss are our choices at this point?
Basically we've got a few options:
-Clue analysis: on the first day has never been a fantastic method of finding mafia.
-Lynch someone in the three you randomly picked; I see no reason why this is a good course of action unless you know something the town doesn't. I mean, why focus on killing off good active players if we're using a random heuristic to select them?
-Lynch inactives: Personally I think this is kinda weak because of finals, but the list of suspicion is smaller than i'd have anticipated given most of us are doing finals atm, so that concern might be irrelevant. The benefit of keeping only active players, however, has been proven throughout a number of mafia games. If we hit a mafia laying low: awesome. If we hit a townie who wasn't going to be active anyways, the loss is substantially reduced.
So if i weigh up the costs and benefits, it seems like inactive lynching is the only one which does better than random selection at this point. If you've got some secret plan or something, I don't see how you're going to get people to agree to said secret plan unless you tell them what it is, at which point it isn't as secret. Either way, there's something off about your suggestion.
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On April 23 2009 17:11 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2009 16:49 Showtime! wrote:
Pyr, I never said that. Read between the lines.
Now, let's wait and see how our DTs decide to act.
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I'm not ready to get rid of BlindAlbino yet based on that info alone.
I rather take out the Blastoise, SoG or our Paranoid Androide Lurker Caller.
Said what? you keep responding to me with vague undefined pronouns and confusing the hell out of me. Read between what lines? If you are trying to tell something to me specifically, try PM rather than hieroglyphics. How are we going to even know what our DTs decide to do? We have no way to get them organized at this point qatol can't be proven innocent so maybe he is blue like last mayor was and then DTs can trust but right now no DT should be trusting anyone. Even if they role check someone they could get the GF. Maybe one of SoG, Caller and you are GF?! Are you GF and hoping some DT will get curious and check you, see you as blue or green and trust you then you will kill him? Because that is a big possibility at this point the way you are begging to be role checked without any justification and how you have said you are waiting to earn trust before you start giving more plans to the town. in part 2 of your post you are asking us to kill sog or caller, two great players, without explaining why. my wtf meter is beeping pretty loud. seriously, DTs: you should be following qatol at this point until Showtime! puts some logic behind whatever it is that he is doing.
im actually quite a terrible player lol
not much is going on so i'll just wait and see what happens ~~~
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If only to prove activity, I've decided to abstain, for now. I have no problems with Qatol, but I haven't read nearly in depth enough to be able to make a decision regarding this election. Looking at how the votes are going, it won't matter either way, so I'm going to avoid bandwagoning and honestly say I haven't read enough yet. So I'm subject to change.
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Night 1
The town has almost unanimously voted in Qatol who is now Mayor
As his first act as mayor, he has inertinept dragged up to the gallows and hung.
Night actions who can act this night, send in your actions
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cool, let's lynch quickstirker next
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Told you he was clean.
Mynock considering I never played with you. Arrogance is bliss. I have nothing to prove to anyone and I don't feel like posting every PM; action; and thought process I made on each decision. Everything I do is well mapped out in my head.
With that said, I didn't randomly pick players to be checked.
1. There is a reason why I ran for Mayor.
2. There is a reason why I believe it is in the Town's best interest that I be checked sooner rather than later.
ALL of this would be VOID if and ONLY if I'm the Godfather, which is fairly low.
I am more than capable of organizing a core, but you guys have to do your part as well.
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Shit. Well, I guess we can't expect to lynch a mafioso on the first night.
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On April 24 2009 00:12 Showtime! wrote:
Told you he was clean.
Mynock considering I never played with you. Arrogance is bliss. I have nothing to prove to anyone and I don't feel like posting every PM; action; and thought process I made on each decision. Everything I do is well mapped out in my head.
With that said, I didn't randomly pick players to be checked.
1. There is a reason why I ran for Mayor.
2. There is a reason why I believe it is in the Town's best interest that I be checked sooner rather than later.
ALL of this would be VOID if and ONLY if I'm the Godfather, which is fairly low.
I am more than capable of organizing a core, but you guys have to do your part as well.
You Never played with me? I don't have the time to check up all the games we've played in, but it's a few (Mafia 2 comes to mind, where we had like exactly the same situation with you vs me, lol). Every Mafia game u behave pretty erratically and in a confusing fashion, and this time it's no different.
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Ok, we need to now focus on our game plan here with the meds.
I also think it is important in trying to feel out for mafia as much as we can, cause it might be possible that some of the vets here are Mafia.
Organizing right now would be more key since CK can't act until the second night and we only got first day clues. We should do best with what we have right now. Also the only thing we can really do now is possibly those two things if I am correct.
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I kind of doubt Showtime is mafia. Even if he were the godfather, I don't think he'd want to attract so much attention to himself.
That said, when you have limited rolechecks and the possibility of faking a role as GF, we have to be careful about how much information we concentrate on any one person. We risk completely exposing our blue list and strategies if that one person is a mole. Info SHOULD be dished out on a need to know basis and we need to fragment power/knowledge so that if one of our heads is knocked off or a traitor we can still function.
Also, I think getting stuck on 2 or 3 suspects on day one clues is counterproductive. As cutthroat as it sounds, we should basically be doing a scattershot of accusations. Suspect me, suspect Qatol, suspect everyone. This way we can isolate the behaviors of those who react differently from the rest and have a chance at catching some of the dumber mafia before clues can really help.
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On April 24 2009 01:07 Tricode wrote:
I also think it is important in trying to feel out for mafia as much as we can, cause it might be possible that some of the vets here are Mafia.
This.
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On April 24 2009 01:15 3clipse wrote:I kind of doubt Showtime is mafia. Even if he were the godfather, I don't think he'd want to attract so much attention to himself. That said, when you have limited rolechecks and the possibility of faking a role as GF, we have to be careful about how much information we concentrate on any one person. We risk completely exposing our blue list and strategies if that one person is a mole. Info SHOULD be dished out on a need to know basis and we need to fragment power/knowledge so that if one of our heads is knocked off or a traitor we can still function. Also, I think getting stuck on 2 or 3 suspects on day one clues is counterproductive. As cutthroat as it sounds, we should basically be doing a scattershot of accusations. Suspect me, suspect Qatol, suspect everyone. This way we can isolate the behaviors of those who react differently from the rest and have a chance at catching some of the dumber mafia before clues can really help. Edit: Show nested quote +On April 24 2009 01:07 Tricode wrote:
I also think it is important in trying to feel out for mafia as much as we can, cause it might be possible that some of the vets here are Mafia.
This.
????? What do you mean when you just say 'This'?
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I think he's saying he agrees with you.
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On April 24 2009 01:29 dreamflower wrote:
I think he's saying he agrees with you.
Oh thank you =D
and if that is so, thanks 3clipse
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On April 24 2009 01:29 dreamflower wrote:
I think he's saying he agrees with you.
This. ^^
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On April 24 2009 00:16 3clipse wrote:
Shit. Well, I guess we can't expect to lynch a mafioso on the first night.
We did last game -.-
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K, i just remembered i have an exam online that finishes tonight and I got my spanish exam in about 4 hours! I am gone for the rest of the day. Oh crap i screwed up bad by forgetting this exam ><
If i have time i'll try to see if i can stay a bit active but other wise >< sorry
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mm  guess it was just a mocking vote. Hope we find a new suspect I'm not sure about any of the other 3 on Qatol's list at this point. Qatol better put out a medic list soon so we can scrutinize it.
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one thing from last game that medics need to follow through on, every time:
if you protect someone tonight, you MUST role claim to them. CK and vigis can't hit tonight and mafia can't hit themselves so you can only protect an innocent player. and we need to build up our network as fast as possible.
but what if a mafia (who will obviously know if someone was protected or not [well there are vets this game unlike last game so maybe not]) claim to the protected person? well now the person you protected has a list of 2 people that has one mafia on it. If two mafia pretend to be medic there is a list of 3 people with 2 mafia. Mafia would have to be ODing on paint chips to fake as you.
now we can also argue about what vigis should do to make sure medics can keep claiming after night 1 but CK could also throw a wrench in things so we'll discuss it but night 1 you have to do this. the only way it can fuck up is if you don't claim medic and mafia does. so, Night 1 at the least, claim.
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Yesterday, I received a PM from someone claiming to be the CK. He asked about forming a contract with me, hoping I was mafia or blue. I initially thought it was just someone fishing but then I started working on a plan in case he wasn't. I spent a lot of time talking to BC asking rules questions and learned the following.
Contracts can be made in advance. - The events from both sides don't have to happen on the same night. This is a moot point for pretty much every other night but it was important for my plan.
Contracts can be made indirectly. - The person making the contract doesn't need to have any special powers. I'll clarify this below with an example.
Contracts are completely binding. - The CK can't decide to change his mind and kill someone else. Once the contract is made he cannot change his target. (Exception if he makes another contract, he can ignore the first one.)
All three of these were important because my idea was to make the following contract:
"I will influence the mayor not to use his instant lynch on you in exchange for you killing person X on night 2."
This is big because it lets us make contracts with the CK without needing to reveal any blue roles.
There was more to my plan involving incentives to keep the CK on our side but the entire thing was rendered moot when the CK responded to my proposal and said he wasn't the CK but he was just fishing for information.
Very frustrating. I wasted a day and got behind on work for nothing. Hopefully this will help if anyone manages to interact with the real CK.
I was so close to having my vengeance on Chuiu...
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