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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
October 02 2013 15:02 GMT
#281
Scum marv would call scumbuddy HF scum?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 02 2013 15:03 GMT
#282
On October 03 2013 00:02 slOosh wrote:
Scum marv would call scumbuddy HF scum?


Scum-marv would deflect like a baws
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 15:05 GMT
#283
On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause its hard to see tiny little Vote FOR DUDES.


Marv you scum?


Do you think he is?

Hmm.
Ok so another reason why I think HF is town.

If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town.
If marv is town, marv is probably right.

So both ways, HF is town I think.

I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way.


To be expected this early on, no?

I think you're either under or overestimating marv's scumgame if you think he can't call his scumpartner town.
Same goes for town marv being right/wrong about HF

On October 03 2013 00:02 slOosh wrote:
Scum marv would call scumbuddy HF scum?


Whatsup sloosh, any thoughts on stuffs?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 15:10 GMT
#284
No, I think that marv has 0 reason to call his scumbuddy outright town and post this about him
On October 02 2013 18:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 18:37 Holyflare wrote:
slOosh at least started asking questions when he initially joined into the discussion although has not really contributed since then at least he read up to date or so it seems. He's not too into meta but is alright saying that oats' play is just like his meta view of him though which was a little odd. Need to hear more on that side of things.


I like this observation :>

No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 02 2013 15:14 GMT
#285
I said he "felt quite town"

Let's not be exaggerating now
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
October 02 2013 15:16 GMT
#286
I still think Risen is lame, but he hasn't posted yet.

As for Dirkzor ... I'm leaning town on him. The thing reads like he came into thread while still developing thoughts, got called out and is all frazzled out for it. I disagree that voting HF is the easy way to go, because at the time three people (me then BH then clarity) had given town reads on him.

Scum willingly voting HF after seeing three people give town reads means that they are ready to engage attention. So I don't think it was an easy "park my vote move along".
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 15:16 GMT
#287
On October 03 2013 00:14 marvellosity wrote:
I said he "felt quite town"

Let's not be exaggerating now

its cool man, it rustles BH's jimmies.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 02 2013 15:18 GMT
#288
On October 03 2013 00:16 slOosh wrote:
I still think Risen is lame, but he hasn't posted yet.

As for Dirkzor ... I'm leaning town on him. The thing reads like he came into thread while still developing thoughts, got called out and is all frazzled out for it. I disagree that voting HF is the easy way to go, because at the time three people (me then BH then clarity) had given town reads on him.

Scum willingly voting HF after seeing three people give town reads means that they are ready to engage attention. So I don't think it was an easy "park my vote move along".


You will admit, though, he's all but admitted his vote is worthless.

There's quite the difference between "developing thoughts" and "voting someone based on bs"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 15:21 GMT
#289
On October 03 2013 00:16 slOosh wrote:
I still think Risen is lame, but he hasn't posted yet.

As for Dirkzor ... I'm leaning town on him. The thing reads like he came into thread while still developing thoughts, got called out and is all frazzled out for it. I disagree that voting HF is the easy way to go, because at the time three people (me then BH then clarity) had given town reads on him.

Scum willingly voting HF after seeing three people give town reads means that they are ready to engage attention. So I don't think it was an easy "park my vote move along".


Being frazzled is exclusively a townie characteristic?

Yes his vote draws attention to him but he clearly did not read the thread in enough detail to provide good reasons for his vote, which means he possibly did not read closely enough to understand thread sentiment about HF either.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 15:23 GMT
#290
Man both Marv and Clarity are saying the exact same things.
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 15:24 GMT
#291
It's terrible, I know. I hate myself
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 02 2013 15:32 GMT
#292
Clarity loves to sheep me when he's town. Tried and tested.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 15:32 GMT
#293
You tend to make sense.
Though honestly if you were wrong I'd sheep you as scum so, meh.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 15:48 GMT
#294
Besides, you're sheeping me, marv. Don't get confused now.

Anyway, want to hear more from sloosh and this townread of his.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 02 2013 15:52 GMT
#295
Did slOosh really do the shoot n scoot thing? Bad slOosh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
October 02 2013 15:55 GMT
#296
On October 03 2013 00:16 slOosh wrote:
I still think Risen is lame, but he hasn't posted yet.

As for Dirkzor ... I'm leaning town on him. The thing reads like he came into thread while still developing thoughts, got called out and is all frazzled out for it. I disagree that voting HF is the easy way to go, because at the time three people (me then BH then clarity) had given town reads on him.

Scum willingly voting HF after seeing three people give town reads means that they are ready to engage attention. So I don't think it was an easy "park my vote move along".


It's twice you've mentioned this now without any furthe explanation.

Makes marv a sad little whore.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 02 2013 16:18 GMT
#297
On October 03 2013 00:16 slOosh wrote:
I still think Risen is lame, but he hasn't posted yet.

As for Dirkzor ... I'm leaning town on him. The thing reads like he came into thread while still developing thoughts, got called out and is all frazzled out for it. I disagree that voting HF is the easy way to go, because at the time three people (me then BH then clarity) had given town reads on him.

Scum willingly voting HF after seeing three people give town reads means that they are ready to engage attention. So I don't think it was an easy "park my vote move along".



Firstly this doesn't even make sense. Dirkzor just coming into the thread with a straight up single paragraph on me and then voting me over the guy he wrote the rest of the post on was outwright confusing to say the least. Why specifically would he even mention that much on oats compared to say, risen and ray (who nobody has so far even mentioned despite his ridiculous 2 posts)? What you imply is that he actually had read the thread in its entirety to know that 3 people had given town reads on me. When you see his next post:

On October 02 2013 19:15 Dirkzor wrote:
Not different reasoning. He hasn't done anything. I said the in the first post and I stand by that. Add that to supporting rng "because BH said so" and him walking around BH's shadow is a great reason for me to vote him. I still dont get how it can be opportunistic? Had it been oppurtinistic if I had voted someone else or is it onle because it was HF?


Followed by:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2013 20:11 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 19:22 Clarity_nl wrote:


On October 02 2013 19:17 Dirkzor wrote:
On October 02 2013 19:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
Would still like your thoughts on oats, marv.

And i would like your thought on me instead of "Oh i'll take that ##Vote"


I could quote marvs posts if you'd like but they're right there. #Sheeple

You spend 4 paragraphs on a null read yet your scumread is hardly explained. Saying HF has done nothing means you haven't read the thread carefully enough. Reading him as most likely to be scum is bleh.

Thank you.

Ok. So I went back to find evidence that HF have been sheeping BH. Not much was found...

Only little thing was this (and it's not really worth noting in the sheeping department):
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:56 Holyflare wrote:
-snip-

Not to mention;
On October 02 2013 13:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
the point i'm getting at here isn't that having a strong stance early on is scummy. THIS IS NOT MY POINT. STOP LYING AND STATING THAT IT IS MY POINT. my point is the lack of follow-up, the lack of interaction with the guy being voted or the guy not voting him. After all, if I REALLY do think holyflare is scummy, you should be all over me trying to refine my scumread on him. I shouldn't have to twist your arm to get you to do this.

So you vote for someone then you ask him to explain? If I think a guy is scum, then why do I have to have interaction with him? And if everyone else in the thread thinks the same way, then why do I have to have interaction with them?
If you think (you said you KNEW) a person was scum, your orientation as a townsman should be to prove to your allies that the person is in fact scum. If you do not interact with the person at all how can you garner anymore information than the one post you base your entire 'analysis' on? The fact that you say everyone else agrees with you in this thread is just testament to the fact that you have put no effort or thought into your stance and are just going with the flow to follow up for an 'easy' lynch.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:47 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
the point i'm getting at here isn't that having a strong stance early on is scummy. THIS IS NOT MY POINT. STOP LYING AND STATING THAT IT IS MY POINT. my point is the lack of follow-up, the lack of interaction with the guy being voted or the guy not voting him. After all, if I REALLY do think holyflare is scummy, you should be all over me trying to refine my scumread on him. I shouldn't have to twist your arm to get you to do this.

So you vote for someone then you ask him to explain? If I think a guy is scum, then why do I have to have interaction with him? And if everyone else in the thread thinks the same way, then why do I have to have interaction with them?


The answer seems obvious to me. Your goal is to establish the alignment of the guy you have a scumread on. Sure, you think he's scum, but you don't KNOW. So you talk with him. You talk with other players and try to convince them. Maybe they support you, maybe they point out how he's scummier or townier than you thought. In these interactions, most people betray what alignment they are through how they think-- be they town or scum. The goal is to develop a co-operative discourse in which people all have solid reads on each other. It involves an acknowledgement that part of what writing a case and voting is, is pressure-- it's developing your read.

On October 02 2013 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its funny that you played with me all these games with me BH, and you still dont know I exaggerate the hell out of my stuff.


When you lie, I will call you a liar. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth.

Other then that HF have been more original then I said he had been. Hmm.. That clashes with my previous belief. After re reading I'm also leaning more scum on oats. But I'm not sure it is entirely because of re-reading or just because I now think HF looks less scum.

The problem with oats is that he have done some wierd shit as I pointed out earlier. But the feel I get when reading his filter is of someone who cares...



It clearly shows that he in fact did not read the thread and only the beginning/my filter. He doesn't value his vote, he doesn't read the thread before posting a conclusion and then backtracks when people call him out on it claiming to have 'reread'? Lastly,

On October 02 2013 22:38 Dirkzor wrote:
Maybe I didn't value that vote so highly. Maybe I did just want to stir up things to see what fell out.


That's a complete 180 from what he was expressing before. It seems like a fishy way, as people have mentioned, to try and appear like he was doing it all on purpose all along.


-------------------------------------------------------

Also, sloosh, you have still not answered our posts about:

On October 02 2013 18:37 Holyflare wrote:
slOosh at least started asking questions when he initially joined into the discussion although has not really contributed since then at least he read up to date or so it seems. He's not too into meta but is alright saying that oats' play is just like his meta view of him though which was a little odd. Need to hear more on that side of things.


Why is oats not portraying scum traits to you, especially after his unvote just today? Why have you not even mentioned it, and why are you basing off meta you aren't into?

----------------------------

As for oats,

On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause its hard to see tiny little Vote FOR DUDES.


Marv you scum?


Do you think he is?

Hmm.
Ok so another reason why I think HF is town.

If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town.
If marv is town, marv is probably right.

So both ways, HF is town I think.

I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way.


That's ridiculous wifom and adds nothing to the entire topic. I don't like it one bit. Especially coupled with,

On October 02 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
I read/detunneled.

##vote Dirkzor
also sheeping marv is cool.


+ Show Spoiler +

On October 02 2013 13:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
[quote]

What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again.
I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown!

So am I scum for that too?

Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob.
Without actually saying those words.


Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him.

Im very clearly sure he's scum.

Also, you know there are pressure votes? And I can change my vote at any time? So its not like once I vote for him, I cant change my mind.

So yeah, I dunno why you are calling me and Risen scum because we have scumreads we are willing to vote on.

Why isnt Holyflare interacting with me if he called me scum then?


I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring. Of course you can change your mind! The fact that you and Risen are scummy (and i'm not 100% sure that either of you are scum, of course) isn't that you vote, it's HOW you vote. Do you understand this?

On October 02 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Since when does BH play self righteous dick?
As any alignment?


So you thing this is... null? or are you just whining.

I dont understand how you equate having a extreme stance on someone from their first post = scummy.

Both me and Risen explained reasons to think that Holyflare is scum and you seem to think that Holyflare is scummy too.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THERE TO CONVINCE YOU ABOUT ?? ? ? ?? ?

I dont know if you are bad or if you are scum BH.



Dirkzor had "an extreme stance on a first post" but it's ok to vote him now for it? Especially as you now say:


On October 03 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man both Marv and Clarity are saying the exact same things.


If you agree with Marv on his vote, why is it such a factor to you that someone else agrees with it so openly? At least he has put forth reasoning into his voting, even if it is similar to marvs. Yours just straight up changed until you were pressured to post why you switched and even then you haven't told us why you are voting dirk?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 02 2013 16:19 GMT
#298
Can't help long posts there's a lot to say in one go about people, sorry
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 16:23 GMT
#299
Long posts are cool. Too many people ignoring questions directed at them, they can't all be scum.
Come on townies, shine bright.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 16:50 GMT
#300
If you agree with Marv on his vote, why is it such a factor to you that someone else agrees with it so openly? At least he has put forth reasoning into his voting, even if it is similar to marvs. Yours just straight up changed until you were pressured to post why you switched and even then you haven't told us why you are voting dirk?

What? I just pointed out something humorous. why so srs.


Also I agree with whatever Marv and clarity said about Dirkzor.

Dirkzor had "an extreme stance on a first post" but it's ok to vote him now for it? Especially as you now say:

Its null.


Holyflare, can you verbalise why you think im scum in like 3-4 points please so I can address/destroy them.
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