EPT[NASTL] FINALS Mouz vs Liquid - Page 15
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NASL Statement on the Ace Match: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13983381 | ||
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SoulTakerz
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figq
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On March 19 2012 13:40 McFeser wrote: I think I remember this, but I assumed he was joking. Maybe he had actual reasons to believe so.Incontrol has said on SotG (when discussing IdrA's bm light heartedly and jokingly) that Thorzain is secretly kind of bm an dgets quite upset over losses. Still, to note that the way Thorzain expresses himself when he's upset is thousands miles away from any usual bm. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information
Info About the match
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:45 CardinalSC wrote: @Plexa, how soon will this statement be released? Im guessing these matches were played in advance and then recorded as inControl is at Lone Star Clash and Ret/Sheth were at Red Bull LAN. From NASL side: + Show Spoiler + Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information We flew in iNcontroL for the week to cast the finals The studio closed down Wednesday afternoon to install and set up new equipment to get ready for season 3 Therefore, we had a hard deadline of wednesday morning, which teams were notified well in advance NASTL rules have server changes in order to promote fairness, games are played on all servers: NA, EU, and KR Info About the match Liquid selected HerO as their ace knowing it would be late for him in korea Mouz selected ThorZaiN as their ace despite the fact that he had other obligations (showmatch vs sheth at the time) Because of this, Mouz was unable to play the ace when the score was tied 2-2 (Thorzain was playing other games) Due to delays it was unable to be played on tuesday: Liquid rightly asked to push it back since it was pushing 4am in Korea and the match had yet started. Wednesday morning was the last time available to play A four hour time window was given, Mouz selected 11am EST to play I contacted the Redbull LAN staff and they cleared time and space for him to play this match NASTL rules would have given Liquid server advantage in the ace, but to be more fair, both teams agreed to do server swap in between each game, and the starting server was chosen by coin flip (which Liquid won) We understand the situation was far from ideal for both parties (thorzain had to play from the red bull tournament, hero had to play at 3am) - but this was literally the last time available to play the match We believe that this was the best and most fair solution (playing wednesday morning, server changing, coin flip to decide start map) given the circumstances We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
 I swear I didnt see that lol... | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:45 NASL.tv wrote: wall of anti-drama text - Xeris This seems fair, I don't see how anyone could be mad at this. If Mouz insisted on using Tzain it's not Liquid's fault but his own teams instead. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
 Seems like nothing could have been done to avoid this and Tzain was just being a bit silly hehe Edit: Oh and grats to Liquid of course :D really off to a great start this year | ||
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Pocky52
United States463 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:45 NASL.tv wrote: Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information
Info About the match
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris Good Statement NASL, prompt and clearing things up quickly. I agree that your solution is fair and the best available given the circumstances. | ||
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GwSC
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:45 NASL.tv wrote: Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information
Info About the match
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris Sounds totally fair. Mouz picked an ace player who wasn't even there to play. They got to delay the game because of it, and the games were sever swapping, so there is really nothing legitimate to whine about. | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
It was a bad situation for both parties. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:46 Xeris wrote: Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week, and then explain what happened from my (as a neutral 3rd party and league administrator) perspective. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information
Info About the match
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris Thanks Xeris, it seems that neither Liquid or NASL has done any wrong here | ||
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SCST
Mexico1609 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:45 NASL.tv wrote: Hello! Due to the potential drama that this Grand Finals match may stir up in the community. I feel it is necessary to make a statement regarding the match so that there will be no misunderstanding of the situation. First, I will outline some basic information about the NASTL playoff week. This will hopefully help explain the decision to play the ace match Wednesday morning and that, given the unfortunate circumstances for both teams, was the fairest possible solution. This problem could have been resolved if both teams had chosen a different player for the ace match - however, neither team was willing to accommodate the other. Therefore, since both were set on using HerO and ThorZaiN, we were left with setting a time that was not ideal for either party. General Background Information
Info About the match
We never want to see the ace match of a final played in an un-ideal situation for either player, but we were unfortunately working within very defined time slots in order to play. Thank you all for understanding, and apologies to both Mouz and Liquid for the ordeal. - Xeris So in other words this entire setup was actually more to accomodate Mouz than Liquid, due to Thorzain playing other matches when he was suppose to be available for the ace match. The server was coin-flip for the first match and then alternated each game. NASTL was more than fair, and Liquid had NOTHING to do with it. Thorzain was just being very bad manner . . . he really should apologize. | ||
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Airestyx
United States44 Posts
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
On March 19 2012 13:45 NASL.tv wrote: [*] NASTL rules would have given Liquid server advantage in the ace, but to be more fair, both teams agreed to do server swap in between each game, and the starting server was chosen by coin flip (which Liquid won) - Xeris And according to that, TL could have actually claimed complete server advantage in the ace match, but agreed to do a server swap between each game out of fairness. | ||
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Magashi
United States164 Posts
 also remember in the round robin Thorzain played in the ace and lost 2-1 to Ret, must be frustrating | ||
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TheUnderking
Canada202 Posts
So my take on things : Schedules weren't ideal. Hero busted out his A game. Thorzain got a bit frustrated. Life goes on. Still both amazing players. | ||
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