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Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
September 24 2013 20:47 GMT
#2961
Sentinel's thoughts on lonemeow mirror mine pretty hard atm, and his read on firmtofu seems pretty reasonable and thought through. so now I'm not sure if I want to lynch firmtofu or mattchew (both for reasons stated by others)
(if people want to ask me questions I'm semi-around, writing up a lab report, will check in occasionally)
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
September 24 2013 20:48 GMT
#2962
On September 25 2013 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 05:46 iamperfection wrote:
On September 25 2013 05:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 25 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 24 2013 18:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Since when has yamato been confirmed town?

Also, what do you guys think of Cheesecake lately? He's been under the radar for a while, only showed up once for night 1 to sheep yamato.

So now you think yamato is confirmed town? What made you chance your mind?


No I don't. I'm questioning his last post:

On September 24 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote:
I'm confirmed town, so what I say actually goes today.

We lynch Sentinel.


you know he is pretty much confirmed town right?

This is false. No one is confirmed town except for the dead. We have claims. Whether you believe the claims or not is your own thing, but no one in the game left alive is confirmed town.

do you have reason to not believe him? No you dont
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 24 2013 20:50 GMT
#2963
The fact that there are only 3 kills weighs on my mind. The fact that I was suspicious of Coag, and that he's claimed one of the three kills last night. The fact that Yamato hasn't done shit since the day post except try and leverage his position.

Yes, iamp, I do have reason not to believe him. Fucking ass.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 24 2013 20:50 GMT
#2964
On September 25 2013 05:46 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 05:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On September 25 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 24 2013 18:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Since when has yamato been confirmed town?

Also, what do you guys think of Cheesecake lately? He's been under the radar for a while, only showed up once for night 1 to sheep yamato.

So now you think yamato is confirmed town? What made you chance your mind?


No I don't. I'm questioning his last post:

On September 24 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote:
I'm confirmed town, so what I say actually goes today.

We lynch Sentinel.


you know he is pretty much confirmed town right?


Oh this? I missed it my first read, had to finish a school project and woke up to a good 10+ pages of discussion.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
September 24 2013 20:50 GMT
#2965
Koshi: I think OO claimed being RBed.

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
September 24 2013 20:51 GMT
#2966
On September 25 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that there are only 3 kills weighs on my mind. The fact that I was suspicious of Coag, and that he's claimed one of the three kills last night. The fact that Yamato hasn't done shit since the day post except try and leverage his position.

Yes, iamp, I do have reason not to believe him. Fucking ass.

So how do you come to this conclusion? Do you think coag and yamato are scum together?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
September 24 2013 20:53 GMT
#2967
On September 25 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that there are only 3 kills weighs on my mind. The fact that I was suspicious of Coag, and that he's claimed one of the three kills last night. The fact that Yamato hasn't done shit since the day post except try and leverage his position.

Yes, iamp, I do have reason not to believe him. Fucking ass.

so you think its more likely that two scum made fake claims then it being the far simpler explanation that they are simply town.

Or does it upset you that we may have confirmed townies running around?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 24 2013 20:53 GMT
#2968
It's something I'm considering, albeit less seriously than other options.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 24 2013 20:55 GMT
#2969
(Nightpost is September 24 2013 11:10)

On September 24 2013 13:21 Mattchew wrote:
Lol im like conf town mutha truckahs

On September 25 2013 00:13 Mattchew wrote:
So yamato is town, thats no fun


versus

On September 25 2013 01:47 Mattchew wrote:
I aint the doc


Do we have a rationale for this from either Matt, in which case I missed it because Matt doesn't like to quote, or from someone else? Either Matt came out as the doctor or he tripped over himself.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
September 24 2013 20:56 GMT
#2970
Hm, I see no reason not to believe yamato. I had a townread on him even before. You are right though - he could use this "confirmed status" way more actively.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
September 24 2013 20:57 GMT
#2971
On September 25 2013 05:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
(Nightpost is September 24 2013 11:10)

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 13:21 Mattchew wrote:
Lol im like conf town mutha truckahs

On September 25 2013 00:13 Mattchew wrote:
So yamato is town, thats no fun


versus

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 01:47 Mattchew wrote:
I aint the doc


Do we have a rationale for this from either Matt, in which case I missed it because Matt doesn't like to quote, or from someone else? Either Matt came out as the doctor or he tripped over himself.

I have no idea what that means. As far as I know he didn't explain it as of yet.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 24 2013 20:58 GMT
#2972
Sentinel what did make you change your mind on yamato on D1?
table for two on a tv tray
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 24 2013 20:58 GMT
#2973
Wait unless I'm missing something here, how is yamato confirmed? From what I understand, and coag hasn't been that forthcoming with information, coag claimed a vig shot on yamato, and yamato claimed he was protected. Why does that make yamato town? All it means is that coag is semi-confirmed, and a doc saved yamato.

Why would a scum lie about being protected, it makes sense for yamato to claim the protection regardless of his alignment.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 24 2013 20:59 GMT
#2974
On September 25 2013 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
First read:

FirmTofu's case on Zaragon seems to be more concerned about saving his own ass - he even mentions it in the opening - which makes his case look more motivated to post some sort of read for the sake of posting reads. The parenthetical aside part of his argument, like marv before me mentioned, is actually mistaken by itself. So there goes the integrity of that read.

I'm not going to rehash marv's arguments over there, but it ends with FT defending his stance on towns being committed to their reads - marv claims the opposite with towns not being 100% sure who is scum. What is important here is that in FT's mind, townie players need to commit to their reads. I don't know if it was his intention, but this post heavily implied he was one of the players who as town commits to their reads: post

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:22 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm back. All caught up. I'm starting to have reservations about my case on Zaragon :/
brb doing some filter diving.

Switches to me.

Pandain calls him out on it, with the post asking if Marv convinced FT of his argument. So FT contends that Zaragon is his top read (although it is shit, and he says so) and keeps his vote on it.

Bracketing this for a second, here is the interesting bit.

Now what his read on me is is all the stuff I've done earlygame. He claims that we were looking for vig targes - were we? I'm pretty sure the beginning of Day 1 we hadn't found anyone to vig yet. Anyways, he brings up my weak Coag vote, my switches onto Stutters and Umasi, and brings up arguments that can be considered somewhat valid. Until he brings up yamato:

Show nested quote +
Later, he switched to Yamato, who is now basically confirmed town barring crazy shenanigans. No real reasoning provided for this vote switch. Just decides Umasi isn't going to gain steam so decides to vote someone else.


Final sentence is true. First two are not. I voted for Yamato when he had only two posts of considerable length, and the second one made him look like a scumfuk. I think I even justified the vote earlier in the thread. At this point I thought Chairman Ray was town and yamato was isolating him for an easy lynch - and FirmTofu completely waves away the detailed thought process I laid out on why I switched from my townread on Chairman to being the final nail in his coffin. "Seems sketchy at best. I can vote this guy." That's all the rationale he gives.

So in summary, FT's current two reads, say what you will about their targets, are both heavily flawed. His number one read, which he acknowledged had holes in it to Pandain, is still his number one read at the time of this posting. That's incredibly scummy to me - instead of finding the best proof he can, he just latches on whatever reads he can find without regard for their solidity.

Hello Sentinel. Good to have you here. I would like to address what you said about my supposed belief that townies need to commit to their reads. I don't hold this belief at all.

I think townies generally end up committing to their reads, even to a point of fault. This behavior is not good town play, it's just what ends up happening when someone rolls town, at least in my experience.

I, personally, do not usually commit to reads when I am town. If you saw my post regarding my own self-meta, you should be able to get an idea of how I play as town.


Back to you. You initially voted Coagulation and then never really talked about him much after that. Is there anything Coagulation did or said that convinced you he wasn't scum?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 20:59 GMT
#2975
On September 25 2013 05:58 deconduo wrote:
Wait unless I'm missing something here, how is yamato confirmed? From what I understand, and coag hasn't been that forthcoming with information, coag claimed a vig shot on yamato, and yamato claimed he was protected. Why does that make yamato town? All it means is that coag is semi-confirmed, and a doc saved yamato.

Why would a scum lie about being protected, it makes sense for yamato to claim the protection regardless of his alignment.


coag claimed the shot on Vayne.

The clue is where coag kept saying "I'm going to shoot Vayne"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 24 2013 21:00 GMT
#2976
On September 25 2013 05:58 deconduo wrote:
Wait unless I'm missing something here, how is yamato confirmed? From what I understand, and coag hasn't been that forthcoming with information, coag claimed a vig shot on yamato, and yamato claimed he was protected. Why does that make yamato town? All it means is that coag is semi-confirmed, and a doc saved yamato.

Why would a scum lie about being protected, it makes sense for yamato to claim the protection regardless of his alignment.

Coag claimed a shot on VA, who died in the Daypost. Meaning we're missing a KP from last night.

Yamato claimed being protected, seemingly explaining the missing KP.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 24 2013 21:01 GMT
#2977
I cant explain it cause it means nothing from me

Ve could if he caree

Marv could if he was town
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 24 2013 21:01 GMT
#2978
Ebwop cared*
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 24 2013 21:02 GMT
#2979
On September 25 2013 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 05:58 deconduo wrote:
Wait unless I'm missing something here, how is yamato confirmed? From what I understand, and coag hasn't been that forthcoming with information, coag claimed a vig shot on yamato, and yamato claimed he was protected. Why does that make yamato town? All it means is that coag is semi-confirmed, and a doc saved yamato.

Why would a scum lie about being protected, it makes sense for yamato to claim the protection regardless of his alignment.


coag claimed the shot on Vayne.

The clue is where coag kept saying "I'm going to shoot Vayne"


Oh ok. Still though, how does claiming the protection make yamato town? He could stay silent to try and out the doctor as scum, but that's pretty risky to do.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 24 2013 21:02 GMT
#2980
The questions become: do you believe that a town-aligned Coag would use his vig shot on VA? Do you believe that a doctor would protect Yamato based on yesterday? And do you believe that scum would shoot a town-aligned Yamato?

The answer is no to too many of these questions for me to just accept Yamato as confirmed town. I want him to continue establishing his towniness as if he were not.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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