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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:05 strongandbig wrote: If Matt were scum would be really have gone after Marv like that? Like, I mean in that particular way? I've already brought this up. Hush now and join the wagon ^^ | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
Regarding Cephiro: The apathy in itself is not alignment indicative; I checked some of his earlier games and in those he was active and involved both as scum and town. On September 24 2013 11:44 Cephiro wrote:That said, we really need to lynch scum today. And since I'm still alive, I'm going to do my best to ensure that happens. Not too far from having read the whole thread properly either. Where did you disappear? Been a long time since that post, and I know you're not away from your computer... On September 25 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote:The only thing that makes me not 100% scum on him is the potential he's just overwhelmed, but in that case, he's made no effort to explain that and there is no justifiable reason for his I don't usually bother to explain much since in my experience it just gets one lynched, but since you asked: I'm having some pretty big IRL issues both physically and mentally due to my injury. And I feel like a bronze player dropped into grand master league. Please update the first post with current players after the replacements and new deadline. | ||
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
Kush I am eagerly awaiting your announced contribution. Also I would like to know yamatos, geripts, sentinels, marvs, rayns and kushs current opinion on FT if you have the time (not only because they were on rays wagon but for various different reasons). I mean everyone elses comments are welcome too but the opinions of those people are especially interesting to me. Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Your thoughts on Sentinel? | ||
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justanothertownie
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 25 2013 04:06 LoneMeow wrote: I'm not against lynching either of Sentinel or FirmTofu, but I think I would still prefer Umasi. He's "kind of participating" but hasn't really said much anything at all. Regarding Cephiro: The apathy in itself is not alignment indicative; I checked some of his earlier games and in those he was active and involved both as scum and town. Where did you disappear? Been a long time since that post, and I know you're not away from your computer... I don't usually bother to explain much since in my experience it just gets one lynched, but since you asked: I'm having some pretty big IRL issues both physically and mentally due to my injury. And I feel like a bronze player dropped into grand master league. Please update the first post with current players after the replacements and new deadline. What a scummy defense making it try to look like the problem with Cephiro is apathy over the glaring faults in his posting. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
FirmTofu's case on Zaragon seems to be more concerned about saving his own ass - he even mentions it in the opening - which makes his case look more motivated to post some sort of read for the sake of posting reads. The parenthetical aside part of his argument, like marv before me mentioned, is actually mistaken by itself. So there goes the integrity of that read. I'm not going to rehash marv's arguments over there, but it ends with FT defending his stance on towns being committed to their reads - marv claims the opposite with towns not being 100% sure who is scum. What is important here is that in FT's mind, townie players need to commit to their reads. I don't know if it was his intention, but this post heavily implied he was one of the players who as town commits to their reads: post On September 24 2013 07:22 FirmTofu wrote: I'm back. All caught up. I'm starting to have reservations about my case on Zaragon :/ brb doing some filter diving. Switches to me. Pandain calls him out on it, with the post asking if Marv convinced FT of his argument. So FT contends that Zaragon is his top read (although it is shit, and he says so) and keeps his vote on it. Bracketing this for a second, here is the interesting bit. Now what his read on me is is all the stuff I've done earlygame. He claims that we were looking for vig targes - were we? I'm pretty sure the beginning of Day 1 we hadn't found anyone to vig yet. Anyways, he brings up my weak Coag vote, my switches onto Stutters and Umasi, and brings up arguments that can be considered somewhat valid. Until he brings up yamato: Later, he switched to Yamato, who is now basically confirmed town barring crazy shenanigans. No real reasoning provided for this vote switch. Just decides Umasi isn't going to gain steam so decides to vote someone else. Final sentence is true. First two are not. I voted for Yamato when he had only two posts of considerable length, and the second one made him look like a scumfuk. I think I even justified the vote earlier in the thread. At this point I thought Chairman Ray was town and yamato was isolating him for an easy lynch - and FirmTofu completely waves away the detailed thought process I laid out on why I switched from my townread on Chairman to being the final nail in his coffin. "Seems sketchy at best. I can vote this guy." That's all the rationale he gives. So in summary, FT's current two reads, say what you will about their targets, are both heavily flawed. His number one read, which he acknowledged had holes in it to Pandain, is still his number one read at the time of this posting. That's incredibly scummy to me - instead of finding the best proof he can, he just latches on whatever reads he can find without regard for their solidity. | ||
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
On September 24 2013 18:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Since when has yamato been confirmed town? Also, what do you guys think of Cheesecake lately? He's been under the radar for a while, only showed up once for night 1 to sheep yamato. So now you think yamato is confirmed town? What made you chance your mind? | ||
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
So like I did with Chairman, it's time to hit up the filters. In Newbie 47 he played scum. Seems to be more active, posting reads and making votes - voted for Chairman, small world. In Newbie 46 he was a VT. While less restricted in his posting than this game, he also seems to be much more safe than in 47. The way I see it in my head, 46 had coaches to help out - this game doesn't. So he should be trying to follow the path of the model townie and post reads, but as a green player he is unsure of himself and throws around his vote to pressure people, retracting it when he is happy. In summary I have a slightly green read on LM since his play this game matches his only town game much more closely than his only scum game. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Really didnt like the coag shot, but I guess he is confirmed town with yamato claiming to be shot + protected. I also think the VA reads should have some weight, it is the first time I have seen VA actually give multiple reads. And it is very interested he added rayn because they play in a lot of minis and VA never gives strong reads like this. I am somewhat sad he got shot over people like FT. somewhat surprised that not more vigis acted n1. Also there is no RB claims? Strange? Anyway, I only glanced over the posts since p140. Nothing too special I think. For people I.would vote tomorrow. I think I am going to look deeper into the reads VA gave and 1 out of those 4 or sheep thread. I should have 2-3 hours to play the game tomorrow. Around 23 hours from now. I really have nothing to add of value atm. Please note down that in the 2 months I have played mafia I have not afked like this ever. So just give me this cycle at least. Thread sentiment is that I am town. Happy I could at least prove that again. So yeah, I do not know how.many vigs/docs/cops we should have. But lynching somebody from the WoS/VA list shouldnt be too horrible. Or at least they should be discussed if they are.on both lists. Because VA does not give reads like this easily, he could have done it to save his skin though. Out of active posters I really could lynch rayn tbh. Like today he asked good questions it seems, but I am lacking the rayn drive behind those questions. Normally in town games when he asks questions, you have this feeling if it is answered wrongly in rayns opinion, you will get tunneled. Or if he interacts with not scumreads of his, you have a general idea why he asks it, it is driven by a scumread of his. Like read the Acrofoles/rayn interactions from GoT, you really miss the drive behind some of the conversations. Also, early this day. He said I might still be scum. And that is really a strange thing for rayn to say. Mocsta knows this, but even in voice mafia I have to only open my mouth and rayn gives me a 100% townread. This does not mean rayn reads me like a book, but he picks up on some posts of mine that he can say "oh because these 5 posts, Koshi is 100%town" and after n1 in which I was really townmeta Koshi. I find it strange rayn is not more certain about his read. Like even if I am scum, because I posted this way rayn should b more certain I feel like. If you understand what I mean. I am not scum obviously, but the restriction rayn has is strange. That and his tunnel d1 on me felt forced now. But dont think he will get lynched today so it seems. So pretty sure rayn & me will have long conversations d3 lol. PS: I cant read rayn btw. But the warm comfort he reads me correct is missing. And the Koshi tunnel day 1 felt not raynlike, even though thepoints he brought up.were.valid. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On September 25 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote: So now you think yamato is confirmed town? What made you chance your mind? No I don't. I'm questioning his last post: On September 24 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote: I'm confirmed town, so what I say actually goes today. We lynch Sentinel. | ||
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
To come back to this: I reread his filter and I don't know what to think of him. The way his opinion of ray changed is really weird (as many people pointed out already). I don't think voting ray in itself is scummy but it is weird to change your read so drastically and vote him when you have other scum reads (stutters, umasi). I don't recall him having a townread on FT either. Also his activity is not as high as I would expect of someone who spammed the pregame. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On September 25 2013 05:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: No I don't. I'm questioning his last post: you know he is pretty much confirmed town right? | ||
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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
On September 25 2013 05:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: No I don't. I'm questioning his last post: I don't think I understand (maybe it's me being dumb). Do you think yamato is town or not? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On September 25 2013 05:46 iamperfection wrote: you know he is pretty much confirmed town right? This is false. No one is confirmed town except for the dead. We have claims. Whether you believe the claims or not is your own thing, but no one in the game left alive is confirmed town. | ||
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