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On September 01 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:
ok it's not been discussed at all, but it keeps being pushed.
s&b seems to think that Mamba's case which is full of crap is less scummy than Hapa's pressure vote on Hopeless1der, and it makes no sense to me at all. He says he's not happy to vote someone based on one bad case, but is extremely happy to be suspicious of Hapa pressuring Hopeless.
Why this disparity?
Marv you were obsing ptp. VE and wiggles both made cases that were just as crappy as this one, I called them both scum, and they both flipped town. I just am not convinced that making bad cases is a good scum tell anymore. Like, does his case push a scum agenda or sew confusion? No, to me it just looks bad.
It is weird that blackmamba just disappeared. If he leaves his vote on hapahauli without making a new case then he'll jump to the top of my scum list.
And one other thing - I had been looking at hapa's vote on hopeless as "I think you are scum and want to kill you." That's how I vote - if I vote early in the day like that, I expect everyone to understand from that "I really mean what I'm saying right now, I'm serious about it." Like I said last time, it makes no sense when you think of it as meaning that, but when you change how you're thinking of it to a "pressure vote" it sounds better.
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On September 01 2012 04:40 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, enough of this bullshit.
## Vote Node
Until he posts. I'm also amenable to a wagon on Zentor.
As for Momen, I want to his response. As for BlackMamba, I haven't had a chance to read through his filter yet. Will check thread again 5 hours from now.
Shady, Node isn't lurking, he's not playing. We can discuss lynching him if and when he shows up.
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On September 01 2012 04:40 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, enough of this bullshit.
## Vote Node
Until he posts. I'm also amenable to a wagon on Zentor.
As for Momen, I want to his response. As for BlackMamba, I haven't had a chance to read through his filter yet. Will check thread again 5 hours from now.
What exactly do you want me to respond to I've responded to everything. I'll get some eats and be back, I have a couple new thoughts based on new posts that I'll post when I have time and come back.
On September 01 2012 04:41 mkfuba07 wrote:Thanks for the kenpach rule info Hopeless. I used google because I didn't know it was a TL thing. I'll check TL first next time. HiroPro's case was convincing. Momentoss seems to be casting a wide net of suspicion without committing to anything. Even his Mr.Zentor vote is just "for now..." He seems indifferent as to who gets lynched. Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:07 Mementoss wrote:On September 01 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2012 01:38 Mementoss wrote:Yeah that's correct. I didn't say I found ghost to be scummy because of it, I just feel you can get a more "real" reaction out of someone under more pressure defending themselves without help from another player, especially in a situation so far away from lynch. BMB I'm awaiting a response from. Risen hasn't posted enough to make a definite opinion on him. Didn't you say you wanted to enforce policy lynches on people that were lurking the town? Or did you just say that because you thought that would be a typical town opener to the game? The problem I'm having is that you're waiting for opinions and waiting for posts when you have legitimate reasons to pressure posters. What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious? You came in, passively fingerpointed a bunch of players, and aren't pressuring them for information. I don't know what else to say to you. I don't think ghost is scum, though I didn't like the way he defended bmb. BMB has been getting constantly talked about and called scum by every second person. I want to give him a chance to respond to the thread. Voting Mr.Zentor is going to make him post something I think is worthy of him showing that he is going to make an attempt at being useful this game. You've officially went from soft defending Zentor to hard defending him, in an aggressive way against me. Guess you voting him at the start of the game was two scum buddy buddying around in the thread?+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?
My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".
I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.
If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..
##Vote: Mr.Zentor
Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.
This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain? Who dafuq is momen. I haven't felt like Hapa has been defending Mr.Z at all, but has instead been trying to figure out why Momentoss is voting him instead of any of the other candidates he's mentioned, or even any of the other lurkers. Momentoss then builds this "hard defense" into an associative case where neither of the players involved has flipped (naturally). These claims can be made of anyone who has responded to anything another player has said, and cannot be proven or disproven without a lynch on one of the two involved. In fact, I was lightly involved in the "buddy buddying" around in the beginning, and am now "hard defending" Mr.Z by his logic. Am I next on the scumlist? This line of reasoning may seem like scumhunting but there's nothing to base a read on. ##Vote Momentoss
Im glad people don't know my name so I don't get voted.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.viewclips.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Memento-2000.jpg) This is one of my favourite movies, and my screen name. However it was taken what a shame. ![[image loading]](http://blog.ocad.ca/wordpress/vism2b15-fw2011-01/files/2011/09/The_Protoss_of_Auir_by_Narutohinatafan.jpg) I play protoss in Starcraft BW and Starcraft 2. Memento + Protoss = Mementoss But really, it should be Memento.
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Now, on the mementoss case:
On September 01 2012 03:15 HiroPro wrote:Ok, I think we should lynch mementoss. I'm heading out for lunch and I'll be back in half an hour. Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:07 Mementoss wrote:On September 01 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2012 01:38 Mementoss wrote:Yeah that's correct. I didn't say I found ghost to be scummy because of it, I just feel you can get a more "real" reaction out of someone under more pressure defending themselves without help from another player, especially in a situation so far away from lynch. BMB I'm awaiting a response from. Risen hasn't posted enough to make a definite opinion on him. Didn't you say you wanted to enforce policy lynches on people that were lurking the town? Or did you just say that because you thought that would be a typical town opener to the game? The problem I'm having is that you're waiting for opinions and waiting for posts when you have legitimate reasons to pressure posters. What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious? You came in, passively fingerpointed a bunch of players, and aren't pressuring them for information. I don't know what else to say to you. I don't think ghost is scum, though I didn't like the way he defended bmb. BMB has been getting constantly talked about and called scum by every second person. I want to give him a chance to respond to the thread. Voting Mr.Zentor is going to make him post something I think is worthy of him showing that he is going to make an attempt at being useful this game. You've officially went from soft defending Zentor to hard defending him, in an aggressive way against me. Guess you voting him at the start of the game was two scum buddy buddying around in the thread? + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?
My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".
I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.
If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..
##Vote: Mr.Zentor
Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.
This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain? Who dafuq is momen. In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy). Mementoss is attempting to seem useful when his posts actually say very little. His reaction to Hapahauli's questions are to throw doubt and accusations in a nonsensical manner. He's scum. ##Vote Mementoss
This is actually a decent point.
It's a pretty odd contradiction for him to jump from saying explicitly, "this is a pressure vote" to "you scumbuddies?" That by itself isn't completely convincing, but then you add in the unjustified accusation of soft defending and the big list post that ended with the vote on zentor, and it does add up to looking pretty scummy. I do think he had a good point about the short 24 hour day and needing to get reads out etc, but it's the kind of good point that scum can make just as well as town. I'd like to hear what mementoss says in his own defense, but at this point I think I'd be willing to lynch him.
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Okay I read through the thread and will be spoilering my thoughts as they came below. I'm going to make a case from them and vote, though I haven't decided who that case is going to be on. I'm leaning towards Shady but he just voted for a lurker. We'll see. Case targets (thus FoS) are mamba/shady/mt/hapa
I really don't like how hapa bit sab's hook and has managed to still think it's food.
+ Show Spoiler +Hopeless - started off shaky to me, I don't like his "tell me if I'm lurking" blackmamba - what a weird question to ask in thread since it's posted in the OP (gonzaw smurf?). mamba comes back with a strong defense of lynch all liars while discrediting lynch all lurkers, something I disagree with, but it is placing himself out there. I disagree b/c this early in a game that requires activity like this one does, you can't have liars this early. Lynch all liars is 99% foolproof, but I would argue that the next best thing when there are no lies is to lynch lurkers. In my experience lurkers tend to be mafia more often than town (I don't know if I'm too biased here, though, as I tend to get really, really mad at people who sign up for these games and then don't contribute.) shady sands - either can't read or purposefully misunderstands mamba's question, immediately after this calls Hopeless a town player and places FoS on Hapahauli. Comes out in defense of lynching lurkers over liars b/c of one guy.......... giant shady sands mamba circle jerk in thread. shady also apparently can't keep track of how long the game has been up. following circle jerk mamba comes out and votes with shady's FoS. What? strongandbig just claimed miller. He's pretty much put himself up as a lynch candidate as the game becomes later and later, I don't know if a scum would do this, it's WIFOMy as all hell. However, we can check his claim that some will return green and some will return red easily. Palmar is awfully quiet. mamba comes in and supports sab's miller claim. Mamba seems to know a lot about people. marvel is trolling. I'm not surprised. ghost joins the trolling. sab sheds light on the matter, apparently MrZ is as bad as grush. solar jumps in and declares himself to be anti-troll. I support this message. agree with ghost, I'll have to read up on solar. ghost says it has been a while since I played, neglects my godmode performance in my last two games (ItsMarvelBabyyy hydra with marvellosity in Age of Empires and I can't remember the one before that but I'm pretty sure it involved Mattchew raging post-game like I knew he would b/c he got lynched by a troll vote from me and Dropbear giving up as the last mafia guy vs all of us) Hapa is echoing what I'm feeling right now. I'm going to be voting mamba unless something drastic happens in thread. ghost defends mamba because... ??? omg there's still 5 pages to go... HiroPro FoS on hopeless. Can't blame him. sab two to one odds on hopeless being town. magic8ball.org disagrees HiroPro asks ghost about me marvel questions ghost's reasoning b/c apparently DrH is a good player who wouldn't make a bad case ghost gives me some backup, but neglects the warm and fuzzy player I have become (unless you count me blowing up after being prodded by idiots. I don't.) Confirming the number of times marvel told me to shut up is greater than the number of posts we had in the age of kings thread ghost engages WIFOM-mode HiroPro knows I'm a Lakers fan or is down with the pop culture references. I don't know what kenpachi rule is, though. hopeless FoS on mamba, while simultaneously calling out hapa for feeling guilty. Apparently MrZ is really, REALLY bad. shady points out that node and mt are afk and have been for longer than would be expected in a game like this. holy cow a wild mt appears. Wait he posted earlier asking about MrZ. Posts when called out. Lurker status. ghost says he can't find scum motivation for mamba's post. Marvel asks why ghost has him marked as scum.  hapa calls out shady as being... shady. mt points out that ghost's defense of mamba instead of letting mamba speak for himself is odd. I'm drawing the conclusion that he is drawing a connection between ghost/mamba. Wait, nevermind, he's going to vote MrZ b/c lurker. The reasoning he's using in his vote could be used against him, though. My only concern with ghost is that he seems to "know" that mamba is town. No one knows anything in mafia games except scum. I get another shoutout from mt for not going HAM like I usually do. In my defense, I haven't seen outrageously stupid play from anyone, and as I said earlier I'm the new improved version of Risen. Wow... my just posted a list that has two people I hate playing with and includes MrZ and kenpachi, two people I haven't played with but can assume also lurk like assholes. Hapa calls out mt for the weird vote, makes a mistake, edits by way of post. Made plenty of sense to me. Why doesn't it make sense to you Shady? I think the voting portion is ODD considering mt had been lurking up to that point (in my opinion), but I can understand his reasoning. Why can't you? Hapa calls out mt for wanting other's opinions instead of going with his own. It's safe play meant not to upset anybody, which I don't think necessarily means town or scum. I know sab didn't just suggest an RNG lynch. He did. He also says something about how "MrZ could change! But I'd totally be down to lynch him if he doesn't." <-- not an actual quote Suddenly a Palmar claiming town ghost! Funny connection between these two. Both seem to "know" things when they really shouldn't know anything at all. Yay mkfuba asks the question I was going to have to ask. Wait apparently from reading this quote MrZ asked it earlier? Wait that quote says July 6... OH! It's answering the question. Yeah search function, you go dude. Hapa comes out with the hard hitting questions. I'm interested in sab's response, but I almost feel like sab asked for an RNG lynch only to see who would hop on it or attack it (I feel safe pointing this out since it has already managed to ensnare one person potentially looking for an easy case) sab disagrees with policy lynches. Hapa still biting what I am now convinced is meant to be a hook. Page 12!
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My apologies, I'm dumb. I even said it in my head and thought of the movie.
##Vote Mementoss
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EBWOP: I think it goes without saying that MrZ and Node both need to actually do something. Like right now. I'm building a case on someone who has been posting. But that doesn't mean I'm going to blind myself to people who think that they can avoid a vote if they don't give up stuff to make a case on. Posting is pro-town. It lets people make cases on you and then you can defend yourself if you're really town. Guess what happens when you lurk and don't post shit? You can't defend yourself and if you're town you're just shooting yourself in the foot (in my opinion, lurking as town is playing against the win condition)
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On September 01 2012 04:47 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:
ok it's not been discussed at all, but it keeps being pushed.
s&b seems to think that Mamba's case which is full of crap is less scummy than Hapa's pressure vote on Hopeless1der, and it makes no sense to me at all. He says he's not happy to vote someone based on one bad case, but is extremely happy to be suspicious of Hapa pressuring Hopeless.
Why this disparity? Marv you were obsing ptp. VE and wiggles both made cases that were just as crappy as this one, I called them both scum, and they both flipped town. I just am not convinced that making bad cases is a good scum tell anymore. Like, does his case push a scum agenda or sew confusion? No, to me it just looks bad. It is weird that blackmamba just disappeared. If he leaves his vote on hapahauli without making a new case then he'll jump to the top of my scum list. And one other thing - I had been looking at hapa's vote on hopeless as "I think you are scum and want to kill you." That's how I vote - if I vote early in the day like that, I expect everyone to understand from that "I really mean what I'm saying right now, I'm serious about it." Like I said last time, it makes no sense when you think of it as meaning that, but when you change how you're thinking of it to a "pressure vote" it sounds better.
Alright. You and ghost were both doing the same thing effectively so the explanation is reasonable.
I don't wanna lynch Mementoss. He's cute.
The thing with Blackmamba - the case was bad, ok. But if it was to cause discussion, then fine. Except he hasn't been around to actually deal with the discussion, and I find that scummy.
I'd fucking love to policy lynch Zentor but annoyingly I can't quite bring myself to 
##Vote: Blackmamba24
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On September 01 2012 04:48 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:40 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, enough of this bullshit.
## Vote Node
Until he posts. I'm also amenable to a wagon on Zentor.
As for Momen, I want to his response. As for BlackMamba, I haven't had a chance to read through his filter yet. Will check thread again 5 hours from now. Shady, Node isn't lurking, he's not playing. We can discuss lynching him if and when he shows up.
This makes sense to me kind of. Node knew what this game was when he signed up for it. Being inactive this long seems more and more lurkerish as the game gets closer to lynch imo. How am I supposed to get anything on the guy if he just comes in right before deadline with some crazy posting?
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On September 01 2012 04:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:47 strongandbig wrote:On September 01 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:
ok it's not been discussed at all, but it keeps being pushed.
s&b seems to think that Mamba's case which is full of crap is less scummy than Hapa's pressure vote on Hopeless1der, and it makes no sense to me at all. He says he's not happy to vote someone based on one bad case, but is extremely happy to be suspicious of Hapa pressuring Hopeless.
Why this disparity? Marv you were obsing ptp. VE and wiggles both made cases that were just as crappy as this one, I called them both scum, and they both flipped town. I just am not convinced that making bad cases is a good scum tell anymore. Like, does his case push a scum agenda or sew confusion? No, to me it just looks bad. It is weird that blackmamba just disappeared. If he leaves his vote on hapahauli without making a new case then he'll jump to the top of my scum list. And one other thing - I had been looking at hapa's vote on hopeless as "I think you are scum and want to kill you." That's how I vote - if I vote early in the day like that, I expect everyone to understand from that "I really mean what I'm saying right now, I'm serious about it." Like I said last time, it makes no sense when you think of it as meaning that, but when you change how you're thinking of it to a "pressure vote" it sounds better. Alright. You and ghost were both doing the same thing effectively so the explanation is reasonable. I don't wanna lynch Mementoss. He's cute. The thing with Blackmamba - the case was bad, ok. But if it was to cause discussion, then fine. Except he hasn't been around to actually deal with the discussion, and I find that scummy. I'd fucking love to policy lynch Zentor but annoyingly I can't quite bring myself to ##Vote: Blackmamba24
y no mention of node?
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My case is going to be on shady. Palmar where are you? I thought you were supposed to be the one who comes into games and gets discussion rolling. That's what people told me I was emulating during SSB Mafia when I tried to do the same thing.
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On September 01 2012 05:01 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:48 ghost_403 wrote:On September 01 2012 04:40 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, enough of this bullshit.
## Vote Node
Until he posts. I'm also amenable to a wagon on Zentor.
As for Momen, I want to his response. As for BlackMamba, I haven't had a chance to read through his filter yet. Will check thread again 5 hours from now. Shady, Node isn't lurking, he's not playing. We can discuss lynching him if and when he shows up. This makes sense to me kind of. Node knew what this game was when he signed up for it. Being inactive this long seems more and more lurkerish as the game gets closer to lynch imo. How am I supposed to get anything on the guy if he just comes in right before deadline with some crazy posting?
I don't lynch people who are in danger of being modkilled.
If he comes back two minutes before the deadline, we figure out why tomorrow. If he gives a good reason, no problem. If not, we lynch him.
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Shady, see ghost's answer
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@ Shady - I feel you on Node, but there's no point in voting him if he's in danger of getting modkilled. May I suggest BlackMamba for now? If he doesn't come back, he's a good lynch, and we can pressure him into posting a defense.
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A Warning has been sent to Node for not posting after 18 hours since the game begun. If no post in ensued, he will be modkilled.
If you want a votecount, ask a cohost or do it yourself thanks
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On September 01 2012 05:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we get a votecount, COHOSTS?
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I noticed a couple of things, after a couple people tried to make a wagon on me. I would like to point out people have been saying BMB has been called scummy for 6 pages and he got 1 maybe 2 votes. I got called scummy 1 page ago and got 3 votes already. Doesn't that seem just too easy?
Here's some things I noticed about the wagon on me:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2012 04:41 mkfuba07 wrote:Thanks for the kenpach rule info Hopeless. I used google because I didn't know it was a TL thing. I'll check TL first next time. HiroPro's case was convincing. Momentoss seems to be casting a wide net of suspicion without committing to anything. Even his Mr.Zentor vote is just "for now..." He seems indifferent as to who gets lynched. Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:07 Mementoss wrote:On September 01 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2012 01:38 Mementoss wrote:Yeah that's correct. I didn't say I found ghost to be scummy because of it, I just feel you can get a more "real" reaction out of someone under more pressure defending themselves without help from another player, especially in a situation so far away from lynch. BMB I'm awaiting a response from. Risen hasn't posted enough to make a definite opinion on him. Didn't you say you wanted to enforce policy lynches on people that were lurking the town? Or did you just say that because you thought that would be a typical town opener to the game? The problem I'm having is that you're waiting for opinions and waiting for posts when you have legitimate reasons to pressure posters. What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious? You came in, passively fingerpointed a bunch of players, and aren't pressuring them for information. I don't know what else to say to you. I don't think ghost is scum, though I didn't like the way he defended bmb. BMB has been getting constantly talked about and called scum by every second person. I want to give him a chance to respond to the thread. Voting Mr.Zentor is going to make him post something I think is worthy of him showing that he is going to make an attempt at being useful this game. You've officially went from soft defending Zentor to hard defending him, in an aggressive way against me. Guess you voting him at the start of the game was two scum buddy buddying around in the thread?+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?
My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".
I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.
If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..
##Vote: Mr.Zentor
Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.
This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain? Who dafuq is momen. I haven't felt like Hapa has been defending Mr.Z at all, but has instead been trying to figure out why Momentoss is voting him instead of any of the other candidates he's mentioned, or even any of the other lurkers. Momentoss then builds this "hard defense" into an associative case where neither of the players involved has flipped (naturally). These claims can be made of anyone who has responded to anything another player has said, and cannot be proven or disproven without a lynch on one of the two involved. In fact, I was lightly involved in the "buddy buddying" around in the beginning, and am now "hard defending" Mr.Z by his logic. Am I next on the scumlist? This line of reasoning may seem like scumhunting but there's nothing to base a read on. ##Vote Momentoss
Something that bugs me about this post is how he said HiroPro's case was convincing. HiroPro's case is really just everything Hapa said/ asked me. But put into one post.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2012 03:15 HiroPro wrote:Ok, I think we should lynch mementoss. I'm heading out for lunch and I'll be back in half an hour. Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?
My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".
I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.
If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..
##Vote: Mr.Zentor
Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.
At first glance, this seems like a solid contribution. Mementoss talks about most of the major things that have happened in this thread. However, look at what Mementoss is actually saying: he spends an inordinate amount of time talking about what ghost should and should not do only to ask ghost a rather basic question and then proceeds to talk about how certain hypothetical thought processes make him think BlackMamba is scum even though he said he wasn't going to talk much about Mamba and wanted to hear more from him... The rest of his post just summarizes general feelings that are going on in the thread. Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 02:07 Mementoss wrote:On September 01 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:On September 01 2012 01:38 Mementoss wrote:Yeah that's correct. I didn't say I found ghost to be scummy because of it, I just feel you can get a more "real" reaction out of someone under more pressure defending themselves without help from another player, especially in a situation so far away from lynch. BMB I'm awaiting a response from. Risen hasn't posted enough to make a definite opinion on him. Didn't you say you wanted to enforce policy lynches on people that were lurking the town? Or did you just say that because you thought that would be a typical town opener to the game? The problem I'm having is that you're waiting for opinions and waiting for posts when you have legitimate reasons to pressure posters. What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious? You came in, passively fingerpointed a bunch of players, and aren't pressuring them for information. I don't know what else to say to you. I don't think ghost is scum, though I didn't like the way he defended bmb. BMB has been getting constantly talked about and called scum by every second person. I want to give him a chance to respond to the thread. Voting Mr.Zentor is going to make him post something I think is worthy of him showing that he is going to make an attempt at being useful this game. You've officially went from soft defending Zentor to hard defending him, in an aggressive way against me. Guess you voting him at the start of the game was two scum buddy buddying around in the thread? + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?
My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".
I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.
If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..
##Vote: Mr.Zentor
Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.
This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain? Who dafuq is momen. In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy). Mementoss is attempting to seem useful when his posts actually say very little. His reaction to Hapahauli's questions are to throw doubt and accusations in a nonsensical manner. He's scum. ##Vote Mementoss
"The rest of his post just summarizes general feelings that are going on in the thread." - And this makes me scum how. I feel like HiroPro took everything Hala noticed and put it into a case to make a contribution. He basically just regurgitated everything I said and told you what I said. He didn't say how or why it made me scum at all.
"In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment." - How would you have a clear view of anyones alignment on day 1? Do you know something I don't? You have never voted someone to get a contribution out of them?
"Mementoss is attempting to seem useful when his posts actually say very little. His reaction to Hapahauli's questions are to throw doubt and accusations in a nonsensical manner. He's scum." - I found this funny, since Hiro's entire case said nothing other than spitting out my post in new words. He never said Why or how things make me scummy.
Then MKFuba goes on to state I don't care who gets lynched, I tried to give my opinions and generate discussion between a couple of players. Generating discussion allows people to find scum. Has he even read the game? He's voting me because I seem indifferent for who is going to be lynched? What about the guy right in front of you eyes: ShadySands
On August 31 2012 14:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 14:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 31 2012 11:58 Hapahauli wrote:On August 31 2012 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Zeph is likely to take care of any actual lurking, but Hapa is right. If I'm too silent for too long, I expect to hear about it, preferably before I'm policy lynched for it. I'll apply the same principle to everyone else in the game. Actually waaaaait a minute here. Are you suggesting that you'll be lurky or something? Surely you shouldn't be worried about "reminders" or whatnot if you're indeed pro-town and intend to post? ##Vote Hopeless1der I'm saying I don't want to die, least of all to a policy lynch. I'd anticipate that most. if not all the players, would agree with that general sentiment. If people think I'm lurking, I don't want them to just lynch me with no discussion, I'd rather have the opportunity to make my thoughts known so that I could at least give the town something useful besides my flip. I want to make the most informed decision on who to lynch, instead of lynching by policy and getting very little out of it. I think Hopeless is saying something quite townish here. He's saying that he hopes people will warn him if he's lurking instead of just hammering him. Hapa, why are you turning his call for a warning shot into a suggestion that he will lurk? This is twisting something perfectly townish into a scum read, and then voting him on it. You weren't like this in XXIII (when you flipped Cop), indeed, there, you refrained from making a D1 vote until the very last 2 hours prior to lynch. And in this game, there are a whole bunch more lurkers/bad townies at this point in time for you to list out/go after than Hopeless or any of your shortlisted names in XXIII. So why would you go for it this time? FoS Hapahauli
FoS on Hapa, no follow up or mention ever again
On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?
My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".
I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.
If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..
##Vote: Mr.Zentor
Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.
This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain?
So, what. Shady either didn't put in no attempt to read this post or he can't read. I think it was pretty clear what I was saying. He's shadowing Hala at this point in the thread, a person who he early read as scum. And doesn't ask what he wants to know about this.
On September 01 2012 04:12 Shady Sands wrote:
Hapa what's your read on the Momen case?
My read on Momen is scum but I want to give him a chance to respond to the accusations before voting him.
Well this was one of the main points of the case on me, that I said I thought BMB had scummy actions, but I would wait for more of a response before I had a final verdict. I got called scum for doing this and voting for Mr.Z to get any discussion from him at all. Seems nervous to commit to a vote. First the FoS on Hala rather than a vote and now this? Why so careful? Why so nervous about committing to a vote if you have a scum read on me?
On September 01 2012 04:40 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, enough of this bullshit.
## Vote Node
Until he posts. I'm also amenable to a wagon on Zentor.
As for Momen, I want to his response. As for BlackMamba, I haven't had a chance to read through his filter yet. Will check thread again 5 hours from now.
Wait isn't this also what the case on me said. Voting someone to get discussion out of someone? So Shady is being very hypocritical calling me scum for things he is doing as well. He doesn't even know BMB's filter, its only been 12 pages for the whole game, and BMB has been the main discussion for the whole time. He doesn't know about the main day 1 discussion? Does he care? He asks me for a response, but never specifies what this response is. He also says he will wagon on Zentor. Wow. So he has a scum read on me, but hes willing to vote on Node or Zentor, and has BMB in his mind. Wow Shady is sure keeping his options open..
So MKfuba you better have a better reason for voting me, other than I seem indifferent for who gets lynched, when you have Slim Shady over here voting anyone who is the popular choice at the time.
So everyone who voted me, why don't you explain why you think I'm scum, rather than just regergitate what I posted and tell people what you think it meant? How is what I posted scum motivated etc?
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Hiya guyas!
I thought that there would be a bandwagon for my lynch by now....
I don't think Momentoss is scum.
On August 31 2012 17:40 Palmar wrote:
The world can't handle my greatness.
I have no idea what's going on. Apparently I'm a detective but there's nothing that says I can investigate anyone.
I haven't read the op or the game, I'll get back to you when I have.
ARGHHHH soooo scummmyyyy
##Vote: Palmar
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