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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 31 2012 21:21 GMT
#281
oh. look at me all embarassed.

I always just control+f "plurality" and "majority"

I need to stop doing that, I guess.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 31 2012 21:22 GMT
#282
i go for the magical long lost art of reading ^_^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 21:22 GMT
#283
Also, reading your stuff on Shady nao
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 21:22 GMT
#284
EBWOP: that was @ Risen. Love getting doublesniped like a boss.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
August 31 2012 21:31 GMT
#285
Oh yeah, forgot to do this

##Unvote: Mr.Zentor
##Vote: ShadySands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 21:32 GMT
#286
@ Risen

Regarding the case on Shady, I think it's Bad Town rather than Bad Mafia (apologies to the colorblind). Shady's posts read as a stream of consciousness to me, and not necessarily scummy behavior. Also, part of your case mentions guilt-by-association between BlackMamba24 and Shady... so why not vote BM24?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 31 2012 21:39 GMT
#287
alright, I'm about to head out. Please consolidate guys.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
August 31 2012 21:50 GMT
#288
On September 01 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
alright, I'm about to head out. Please consolidate guys.


Disappointing day 1 contribution from marv. I hope he comes back drunk and at least makes a funny drunk post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 21:50 GMT
#289
@ HiroPro - given Mementoss's recent posts, you still think he's scummy?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 31 2012 21:51 GMT
#290
On September 01 2012 06:50 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
alright, I'm about to head out. Please consolidate guys.


Disappointing day 1 contribution from marv. I hope he comes back drunk and at least makes a funny drunk post.


Don't get your hopes up. I'm a walking disappointment. :<

<3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 21:53 GMT
#291
On September 01 2012 06:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ HiroPro - given Mementoss's recent posts, you still think he's scummy?


He didn't respond to this. I want to see what he has to say. I haven't yet read anything on Shady.

On September 01 2012 05:54 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +

but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy of Hapa)


you didn't address this. Nor did you explain why you said hapa was soft/hard defending Zentor.

You're scummy mostly because of the way you reacted to some simple questions (spreading nonsense about soft defenses and trying to use that to call someone scummy).


Ill read the stuff on Shady when I get to my computer.

Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 21:55 GMT
#292
Howbout this stuff?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&currentpage=13#258

Solid post, good logic, and I agree with most of what he says (still believe BM24 to be more scummy than Shady). Shouldn't that absolve him a bit?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
August 31 2012 22:04 GMT
#293
"In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy)."

To answer HiroPro. I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react. Sometimes it's been the case that people on the same scum team avoid communication in the thread or joke around with each other in the thread to lessen the distance between them. "Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?" This is what I considered to be a soft defense, trying to take the heat off him from that moment. "What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?" Then implying that I am voting him for no reason and downplaying it, is what I considered a harder defense. As obviously I had a reason for doing it, and explaining it basically takes away all effectiveness of the action.

I hope that clears it up to you hiro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 22:04 GMT
#294
On September 01 2012 06:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Howbout this stuff?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&currentpage=13#258

Solid post, good logic, and I agree with most of what he says (still believe BM24 to be more scummy than Shady). Shouldn't that absolve him a bit?


It's ok. The problem I have is that he ignored the brunt of the case (which is how he says he's unclear about Zentor but then later in the same post says that Hapa is soft-defending Zentor and they're scum buddies together) and focused on small things to reply to instead.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 31 2012 22:07 GMT
#295
On September 01 2012 07:04 Mementoss wrote:
"In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy)."

To answer HiroPro. I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react. Sometimes it's been the case that people on the same scum team avoid communication in the thread or joke around with each other in the thread to lessen the distance between them. "Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?" This is what I considered to be a soft defense, trying to take the heat off him from that moment. "What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?" Then implying that I am voting him for no reason and downplaying it, is what I considered a harder defense. As obviously I had a reason for doing it, and explaining it basically takes away all effectiveness of the action.

I hope that clears it up to you hiro.


Hm, ok. I'm fine with this. I'll read the stuff on Shady in a little bit and decide what to do.

##Unvote
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
August 31 2012 22:08 GMT
#296
I need to catch up quite a few pages but coming in to declare yourself VT with safeclaims followed up by a worthless "I'm not gonna use flavor anymore" post rubs me the wrong way. Day 1 that's the best it takes. Lynch all lurkers is stupid. Lynching or pressuring people for bald-face lying i.e saying they are the detective then getting owned by a counterclaim or making up a role or constantly flip-flopping and changing their read based on what the town is going with is way more productive than just lynching random lurkers.

Imagine if you had a town that actually just lynched the person with the least posts every day. Mafia would auto-win. It's stupid.

This charge against me is bald-faced OMGUS. Of course it's not a rock solid case. It's Day 1. I wouldn't even bet 10 bucks on it.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 31 2012 22:15 GMT
#297
It goes beyond "not a rock-solid case." It's a terrible case. And everyone around here is telling me that you aren't a terrible player.

Lynch all lurkers is stupid


You're right - now I'mma gonna lynch you.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
August 31 2012 22:17 GMT
#298
Hapahauli actually found a huge contradiction on page 12 and it seems off to me too. If he really thinks policy lynches are that dumb (Like I do) why would he make suggestions or explanations in support of it? "If people are proposing a lurker lynch, I think we should come up with a list that a majority of us can agree on and then RNG it using some method." The whole tone of that sentence seems completely off to me for someone who doesn't like policy lynches in the first place.

Also, the miller claim. It basically protects scum from the DT. If you get DT checked you'd return scum in stead of self-aware miller so nobody can confirm it until you're dead and it gives you a point of argument if you do get DT checked. I need to go over his first post a bit closer but

By the way can we please not lynch or FoS people for being absent from the thread until certain times? I normally wake up between 2-4 PM PST and am quite busy most of the day so keep that in mind.

On September 01 2012 04:59 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 04:47 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:
ok it's not been discussed at all, but it keeps being pushed.

s&b seems to think that Mamba's case which is full of crap is less scummy than Hapa's pressure vote on Hopeless1der, and it makes no sense to me at all. He says he's not happy to vote someone based on one bad case, but is extremely happy to be suspicious of Hapa pressuring Hopeless.

Why this disparity?


Marv you were obsing ptp. VE and wiggles both made cases that were just as crappy as this one, I called them both scum, and they both flipped town. I just am not convinced that making bad cases is a good scum tell anymore. Like, does his case push a scum agenda or sew confusion? No, to me it just looks bad.

It is weird that blackmamba just disappeared. If he leaves his vote on hapahauli without making a new case then he'll jump to the top of my scum list.



And one other thing - I had been looking at hapa's vote on hopeless as "I think you are scum and want to kill you." That's how I vote - if I vote early in the day like that, I expect everyone to understand from that "I really mean what I'm saying right now, I'm serious about it." Like I said last time, it makes no sense when you think of it as meaning that, but when you change how you're thinking of it to a "pressure vote" it sounds better.




Alright. You and ghost were both doing the same thing effectively so the explanation is reasonable.

I don't wanna lynch Mementoss. He's cute.

The thing with Blackmamba - the case was bad, ok. But if it was to cause discussion, then fine. Except he hasn't been around to actually deal with the discussion, and I find that scummy.

I'd fucking love to policy lynch Zentor but annoyingly I can't quite bring myself to

##Vote: Blackmamba24


Because only scum sleep in late or get sinus infections.


I don't think there is a clear disconnect in the way Marvellosity sees MrZentor. If, in his mind, he thinks lynching Zentor is a good idea he's going to be biased and find and see things that support that preconceived notion. I'm guilty of building connections based on bad cases or even people I wasn't really that suspicious of because I want to be right. It's something that happens. I think SNB's strange disconnect is a lot more suspicious. I need to carefully read his first post some more because his claim did throw me off which is why if he is indeed scum I congratulate him for doing a move like that.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
August 31 2012 22:18 GMT
#299
On September 01 2012 07:15 Hapahauli wrote:
It goes beyond "not a rock-solid case." It's a terrible case. And everyone around here is telling me that you aren't a terrible player.

Show nested quote +
Lynch all lurkers is stupid


You're right - now I'mma gonna lynch you.

Of course you think that, I voted for you. You're using a lot of strong language but not providing any reason why we should always policy lynch lurkers. There is value in pressuring lurkers at certain stages in the game because scum need to be forced to talk but it's not that simple.
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
August 31 2012 22:19 GMT
#300
and I'm known for saying lynching lurkers is dumb, reads are dumb and arguing with people for it every single game I've been in. And every single game someone FoS's me for it and is wrong.
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