EPTAnd you have yet to convince me why your case isn't the scummiest thing in the thread.
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
And you have yet to convince me why your case isn't the scummiest thing in the thread. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:17 BlackMamba24 wrote: Hapahauli actually found a huge contradiction on page 12 and it seems off to me too. If he really thinks policy lynches are that dumb (Like I do) why would he make suggestions or explanations in support of it? "If people are proposing a lurker lynch, I think we should come up with a list that a majority of us can agree on and then RNG it using some method." The whole tone of that sentence seems completely off to me for someone who doesn't like policy lynches in the first place. Also, the miller claim. It basically protects scum from the DT. If you get DT checked you'd return scum in stead of self-aware miller so nobody can confirm it until you're dead and it gives you a point of argument if you do get DT checked. I need to go over his first post a bit closer but By the way can we please not lynch or FoS people for being absent from the thread until certain times? I normally wake up between 2-4 PM PST and am quite busy most of the day so keep that in mind. Because only scum sleep in late or get sinus infections. I don't think there is a clear disconnect in the way Marvellosity sees MrZentor. If, in his mind, he thinks lynching Zentor is a good idea he's going to be biased and find and see things that support that preconceived notion. I'm guilty of building connections based on bad cases or even people I wasn't really that suspicious of because I want to be right. It's something that happens. I think SNB's strange disconnect is a lot more suspicious. I need to carefully read his first post some more because his claim did throw me off which is why if he is indeed scum I congratulate him for doing a move like that. At the time when I brought up rng'ing the lurker lynch, the only cases we had in the thread were on you and on hapa. Do you disagree that if there are no reasonable cases, a policy or lurker lynch makes sense? I really don't see this "contradiction". Even if something is a bad choice, sometimes there are no better choices, and at that point in the day it looked like this lynch might be one of those times. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Ok, you're not worth talking to. Anyway can anyone familiar with strongandbigs meta tell me if it is normal for him, as town, to make huge fucking posts immediately and add a ton of bravado like that into anything he says cause if not I'm saying we should lynch him. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote: At the time when I brought up rng'ing the lurker lynch, the only cases we had in the thread were on you and on hapa. Do you disagree that if there are no reasonable cases, a policy or lurker lynch makes sense? I really don't see this "contradiction". Even if something is a bad choice, sometimes there are no better choices, and at that point in the day it looked like this lynch might be one of those times. There's always a case. There's always a weird feeling about something someone said that seemed "off" or even a connection between two players. It's just weird that you didn't qualify that statement or mention your distaste for policy lynches until later, it makes it seem to me, like you're trying to appear as "with the town" as you can. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
##Unvote I read Risen's case on me and I like it. It's long, which earns points in my book. That being said, I disagree with its conclusion that I am scum, since I'm not. I'll respond to it in a bit, but first and foremost, I'd like everyone to focus on the scummiest player so far: Ghost_403 Here's how Ghost kicks off his scumhunt: On August 31 2012 22:35 ghost_403 wrote: I agree with Hapa: BMB's case was lackluster at best. Hapa came into the thread, posted "I'm town, flavor sucks", and that's it. I really don't see that as some sort of scum tell on his part. BMB: I'm curious. Has anyone else in the thread stuck out to you as playing scummy? Marv: What do you think about BMB's case against Hapa? Risen's play this game is a little off from the Risen we all know and love. Not sure exactly why as of yet. Could be it's just been a while since he's played. Completely fluffy. First agrees that the case is lackluster, but no tell. Then asks BMB for more reads while he himself posts no reads. Then asks Marv for reads on BMB. Then offers a null tell on Risen. I essence... much ado about nothing. Then defends BMB from Hapa in an effort to look active. But again, no scumreads. On August 31 2012 22:51 ghost_403 wrote: Calm down, Hapa. Just because BMB wrote up a subpar case on Day 1 does not mean that he's scum. BMB (aka DoctorHelvetica) is very good at this game. I doubt that anyone can know his alignment quite yet, nevermind based on a single case he's presented on Day 1. @BMB: You are DrH, right? Then again a no-content post, just a defense of his own actions. On August 31 2012 23:22 ghost_403 wrote: I'm not attacking, I'm telling him to take a step back and evaluate whether he thinks that BMB's case was due to (a) him being scum or (b) him writing up a case 5 hours into the game. The two of those are very different, and I don't see evidence in his analysis of him thinking that question through. Then Ghost goes huge WIFOM. He even lampshades it. On August 31 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote: WIFOM mode engage! Don't you think that someone as good as BMB would, as scum, be more careful to not make a bad case? I see this as BMB just being aggressive and trying to get the ball moving. I can't imagine him being quite so bold and careless as scum. Do you think that his case is really a scum-tell? Still no case at this point. We have Hapa, Hopeless, Memento, BMB, and myself all making lots of noise but he somehow seems to think everyone is just a confused townie. Which would make a lot of sense if he had prior knowledge as scum. On August 31 2012 23:38 ghost_403 wrote: My spreadsheet has BMB marked down as scum due to that case, but I'm not convinced on it enough to vote him yet. BMB is a good player, and lynching him based on a bad case he made this early on Day 1 is terrible play. I'm certainly going to be watching him closely. What I would really like from him is for him to come back and tell us his thoughts on everyone's reactions to his case. That would tell me a lot more about his alignment than what he's already said in thread. Whoa! We have a scumread now! Everyone drop socks and grab your throttles, because after half a day of posting Ghost says BMB is scum. Except... Don't you think that someone as good as BMB would, as scum, be more careful to not make a bad case? I see this as BMB just being aggressive and trying to get the ball moving. I can't imagine him being quite so bold and careless as scum. Do you think that his case is really a scum-tell? This is what Ghost posted in his very own previous post. What? Classic case of scum forgetting what he wrote earlier and just trying to agree with people. Then he tries to split hairs about BMB (I think he's scum but I don't see his posting behavior/casemaking as scum!) then asks people what they think about BMB. On September 01 2012 00:48 ghost_403 wrote: Gut reaction. What are your thoughts on BMB's alignment? Then says he hasn't found a scum candidate yet: On September 01 2012 03:15 ghost_403 wrote: Well, since I'd rather lynch scum today, I haven't quite made up my mind. Plenty of town reads, but haven't found a good scum candidate quite yet. I'll let you know when I find one. But he'd be happy with a MMToss lynch in the very next post. What? On September 01 2012 03:20 ghost_403 wrote: Actually, I'd be pretty happy with a MMToss lynch. Still waiting for S+B to chime in. Playing mafia while TI2 is on is really hard. Then he votes MMToss as soon as HiroPro makes a big case on MMToss. But there's no independent analysis from ghost as to why he's making this vote as opposed to BMB (who he has marked down as scum in his spreadsheet.) Then he offers a defense of his actions: On September 01 2012 03:49 ghost_403 wrote: Palmar being AFK is probably due to the TI2, I'm withholding judgement on him until he comes back. Can't change my mind on Risen until he comes back and starts acting more or less Risen. Marv's disappearance is disconcerting, but probably not alignment indicative. I never said BMB was not mafia, I just said that I'm not ready to lynch him over a single bad case he had presented. I'm still waiting for him to come back into the thread and respond to what's happened. His response is going to determine my view of his alignment. Still not quite sure of what I think of S+B. I haven't seen a scum player make a legit fakeclaim for a long time, so based on the metagame, I'm inclined to believe him when he claimed miller. However, you're right, his posts have been a little bit off. That's why I really want him to chime in on the MMToss situation. Every single read he gives is null or townie. Again, no justification for the MMToss vote and then keeps splitting hairs over BMB. He asks other people to look at MMToss (gotta keep that scum wagon rolling, yo) but then doesn't offer any justification for the vote himself. I find Ghost's entire train of reasoning on Mementoss consistent with a scum with prior knowledge of alignments, trying to stay active without posting real content. Therefore: ## Vote Ghost_403 | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:32 Mementoss wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357&user=116463 day 1 pokemafia SnB Only thing I noticed is in pokemafia he seemed to try and be a town leader, and lead cases. In this game he seems to be more going with the flow. imo | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:32 Mementoss wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357&user=116463 day 1 pokemafia SnB There's nothing in the OP, what alignment was he in this game? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:37 BlackMamba24 wrote: There's nothing in the OP, what alignment was he in this game? town | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:37 Mementoss wrote: Only thing I noticed is in pokemafia he seemed to try and be a town leader, and lead cases. In this game he seems to be more going with the flow. imo In this game he got to the point and didn't write 10000 word posts about nothing except how town he is because town has no reason to do that. the only reason I'm not voting SNB right now is because fakeclaims always throw me for a loop and I could second-guess myself for a very long time. I'll probably make up my mind within the next few hours, I need to meditate or at least have some breakfast. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:26 BlackMamba24 wrote: There's always a case. There's always a weird feeling about something someone said that seemed "off" or even a connection between two players. It's just weird that you didn't qualify that statement or mention your distaste for policy lynches until later, it makes it seem to me, like you're trying to appear as "with the town" as you can. I guess I must just not dislike policy lynches quite as much as you do. There were a couple of people who did seem suspicious. Hapa felt suspicious to me. However, at a certain point you have to ask what amount of suspicion it takes to be worth lynching on. Anyway, I see that you and mementoss are discussing my meta. Not much that I can say about that, you'll just have to read a few of my games and draw your own conclusions if you want to really get into it. I just came off a pretty good town day 1 in pokemafia, where I died N1. I'd like to discuss my play in that game some more, but it's still ongoing so I can't really. The two games I played before that were mad men mafia and WBG's not themed mafia. Now, it's 12:45 my time and I need to go to sleep. So, I'm forced to figure out who I want to vote for. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:38 BlackMamba24 wrote: In this game he got to the point and didn't write 10000 word posts about nothing except how town he is because town has no reason to do that. the only reason I'm not voting SNB right now is because fakeclaims always throw me for a loop and I could second-guess myself for a very long time. I'll probably make up my mind within the next few hours, I need to meditate or at least have some breakfast. Wait you're trying to make a meta read on my miller claim and compare it to a game where I didn't have to put myself under special scrutiny, on account of how I wasn't a miller? I really don't think that's a valid comparison. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:25 BlackMamba24 wrote: ... Anyway can anyone familiar with strongandbigs meta tell me if it is normal for him, as town, to make huge fucking posts immediately and add a ton of bravado like that into anything he says cause if not I'm saying we should lynch him. Pardon my skepticism, but is this really a scumtell? Even if he historically makes smaller posts as town, I can't imagine why making larger posts would make him mafia, even on a meta-basis. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:51 Hapahauli wrote: Pardon my skepticism, but is this really a scumtell? Even if he historically makes smaller posts as town, I can't imagine why making larger posts would make him mafia, even on a meta-basis. One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that. The fakeclaim is throwing me off. There's also that contradiction that you yourself pointed out. I can understand why a scum player would defend me as well, they might be thinking there's no reason to go after me early on and get OMGUS'd or get my attention when they can kill me at night but I'm not really that good. My town meta is to pin the entire mafia team Day 2 and then vote for everyone else instead. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 01 2012 06:21 Hapahauli wrote: I'm trying to push a lynch on my top scumread. I really don't know what to make of Palmar, but I find BMB scummy and therefore I'll rally support on him. That makes your statement quite a bit less sinister... I thought you were just saying no one would vote Palmar. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
That just reeks of attempting to look like lazy town. | ||
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