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On May 27 2012 13:55 Blazinghand wrote:
You clearly didn't read the LIV filter I linked if you think somehow Grush wasn't given a chance to be a good townie.
I did indeed, and regardless I still believe that every game is different and it is only fair to disregard previous player actions. As I said before if there is no change in the way Gush conducts himself on the first day, by all means the mayor may lynch him. But I believe in a mayor that makes an informed decision based on actions in the current game rather than lynching him based on what he "might" do.
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On May 27 2012 13:43 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:34 jaj22 wrote:
If you're going to policy-lynch someone because they're useless and unreadable, why pick Grush over Kenpachi? I can see why some of you might be bitter from LIV, but at least give people the chance to improve.
@Grush: Making posts longer than one line would be a good start.
Also I'm not voting for Sinensis because I can't read him worth a damn.
I am picking grush over kenpachi because kenpachi doesn't respond to criticism with "I'm mafia, lynch me." I have never seen play as bad as grush's. Most of the people in LIV spent the game trying to get grush lynched because he literally refused to play, outside of nonsense 1 liners, throughout most of the game. I don't feel like dealing with it again because I don't like losing.
Lmao this is pretty ironic. I'm not going to ennumerate the times you threw games, but let's just say you have no right to run for mayor on a platform like that.
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Blazinghand
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On May 27 2012 14:03 Manason wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:55 Blazinghand wrote:
You clearly didn't read the LIV filter I linked if you think somehow Grush wasn't given a chance to be a good townie. I did indeed, and regardless I still believe that every game is different and it is only fair to disregard previous player actions. As I said before if there is no change in the way Gush conducts himself on the first day, by all means the mayor may lynch him. But I believe in a mayor that makes an informed decision based on actions in the current game rather than lynching him based on what he "might" do.
Oh yes what ever would we do without this useful contributions
On May 27 2012 11:21 grush57 wrote:
Lemony fresh victory shall belong to us!
On May 27 2012 12:17 grush57 wrote:
The scum are helping each other out already?
On May 27 2012 12:25 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 12:22 EchelonTee wrote:On May 27 2012 12:17 grush57 wrote:
The scum are helping each other out already? Yep, the two scum are trying to get each other in office, an office with no vig or DT protection. We felt this was the best way to fool town. Having free lynch day1 pretty good, but the scum would probably prefer Vice for protection in case a scum is going to get lynched.
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Hey guys, you can notice that I am posting in the code a quali thread. I am watching that. I will post more tomorrow when im not in bed on my laptop watching starcraft.
My portion of the Cat Party will not be running for office though. I will be away from the game for a full 24 hours tuesday (aka in 48 hours) so I will fall far behind and don't want to put myself in a position of power and responsibility when I know this.
:3
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On May 27 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh yeah and if I get second place and end up as Vice Mayor, here's my promise about how I'll use the pardon power:
I will use it if/when I think it will help the town. I make no promises whether or not I will discuss it with anyone or whether I will or won't use it. If I think I can help us win the game, I'll take that opportunity. Typically this will give me a chance to discuss it beforehand, but I will not make stupid rules about how I use my power. I will try to win.
I assumed that this election would work the same as the election in the last game I played, where there were two separate elections for mayor and pardoner (holy roman mafia).
I just looked through GreyMist's filter though and saw that the runner-up becomes the vice leader, so there's really no point running a campaign specifically for that position.
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Blazinghand
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So are you gonna run for mayor or what
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On May 27 2012 14:28 Blazinghand wrote:
So are you gonna run for mayor or what
Probably not. I don't really feel confident enough in day 1 reads to decide the lynch.
OTOH, getting double the votes sounds nice.
Let me sleep on it.
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Blazinghand
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Ok, so obviously, now, S&B, you're not running for vice mayor, since it's clear there's no way to run for that position. However, every one of my questions about your initial post still applies. At the time that you wrote it, your campaign for vice-mayor was based on a thought that there WAS a vice-mayoral election.
So, at the time that you wrote it... why on earth were you campaigning to be vice-mayor?
On May 27 2012 13:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Why not run for mayor? If you really want to try out a blue role, and you really found it fun, and you take things seriously and are easy to subject to analysis, you should WANT the double vote.
In fact, you're willing to let ET, who you admit you like ET but don't know why... and also are hedging on whether or not he's easy to read... but the main thing for mayors is you need to analyze their posts in a serious way?
See, you know your own alignment quite well-- you SHOULD know you're town, assuming you are indeed town. If that's the case, why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum?
Why not run for mayor? All your reasoning points towards you running for mayor, but you run for vice-mayor and waffle on ET. What's the deal?
These questions still need to be addressed. What's your deal, S&B? Why did you take those actions?
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I just said dood. I want to do something interesting and different but I'm not confident enough in my day 1 reads in general to lynch someone. herp derp -> vice leader.
And the question "why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum" has a retardedly obvious answer, doesn't it? So scum can't have that power?
Finally, it's not that I don't know why I like ET more than the other three of you. It's that I didn't want to come right out and say "half of everything bh or ve post is retarded or trolling" because you're both pretty good players and have a lot more experience than me; but I honestly think it's better to have a mayor who takes all their posts seriously so we can analyze them, rather than someone who posts like a retard or trolls half the time.
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Blazinghand
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Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host.
So your initial reasoning for why you wanted the role, as you wrote it, was:
On May 27 2012 13:46 strongandbig wrote:
So, why am I running for vice leader/pardoner? Well, last game I played was my first time being a blue role, and it was really fun; I want to try something new this game as well.
But now it's
On May 27 2012 15:32 strongandbig wrote:
And the question "why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum" has a retardedly obvious answer, doesn't it? So scum can't have that power?
Were you lying then or are you lying now?
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On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host.
Come on BH, he's a newbie. You're acting like a TLMafia brat, threatening to call in the host, which is also unproductive to the discussion. You post gifs and pix of you eating hats all the time, so his reference to your trolling isn't wholly inaccurate lol.
Continuing, do you think grush's posting thus far is scummy? If yes, then how so?
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Blazinghand
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On May 27 2012 16:36 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host. Come on BH, he's a newbie. You're acting like a TLMafia brat, threatening to call in the host, which is also unproductive to the discussion. You post gifs and pix of you eating hats all the time, so his reference to your trolling isn't wholly inaccurate lol. Continuing, do you think grush's posting thus far is scummy? If yes, then how so?
And his reference to me being a retard?
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Blazinghand
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I think Grush's posting has been worthless. Although his 3rd post contained a statement with which I agree (which is that the vice mayor role could help scum), he hasn't done anything of note. We're not far into the game, so this doesn't say much YET, but I am wholly unsurprised that Grush is being largely unhelpful, and fully anticipate that he will continue to be unhelpful.
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Blazinghand
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On May 27 2012 16:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 16:36 EchelonTee wrote:On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host. Come on BH, he's a newbie. You're acting like a TLMafia brat, threatening to call in the host, which is also unproductive to the discussion. You post gifs and pix of you eating hats all the time, so his reference to your trolling isn't wholly inaccurate lol. Continuing, do you think grush's posting thus far is scummy? If yes, then how so? And his reference to me being a retard?
I'm sorry, was his calling my posting retarded producting to the discussion? Oh was my posting this game tons of gifs and hats? Gee whiz I'm sorry I'll tone that down going forward, how does that sound?
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You're getting over emotional dude, and it's making you look bad.
1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan.
2. No, you didn't post tons of gifs and hats this game. But hey, grush hasn't been a complete anti-town loser this game either. But you want to lynch grush for stuff that he's done in a previous game. Do you see the logical disconnect here?
3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting.
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The State of TL Towns
It's no secret that TL Towns have been in a state of disarray. Unfortunately, none of you know my alignment so you will be forced to take this post with a grain of salt, but hopefully you will be able to take my words in and see them as logical.
This game is starting to unfold how many typical games have gone thus far. A small handful of posters come out strong; evenly divided between strong, veteran personalities and newer, eager to play people. Mixed inbetween these people are obviously a few scum, but what inevitably happens is some newer player slips up, and then the hounds come into slay the newbie. Some people argue "don't lynch X, they are town"; others argue "why the f*** are you defending this terrible play". Meanwhile, scum can prod on these easy mislynches and cruise to victory.
This is generally how a mafia game should unfold; however, the issue lately has been that cases have been built solely on stuff like "this guy is fcking bad. he is SCUMMY", instead of analyzing motivations, actions, or agendas. Meanwhile, discussion that happens around the lynches is just downright embaressing. People going around saying "you haven't contributed shit", "you're a dipshit", etc. Often what I see said about other players is something like "Yeah, I don't think Y is scum, but he's an asshole". Because of this, loads of townies are completely unmotivated to post, because why post when people are going to shout at you, calling you a dingus? The reason why scum are allowed to lurk like crazy isn't because we aren't being aggresive enough; it's because we aren't fostering a positive enough attitude.
After reading a lot of newbie games, there are logical disconnects for sure, but one thing stands out that our games have been lacking: they are actually fucking nice to each other. They build cases based off of other people's posts. They consider everyone's view points and don't go all rambo. If you want a breath of fresh air, read a newbie game.
So, what am I actually trying to say with this stupid ass block of text? PLAY NICE. DONT BE EGOTISTICAL. I am not insulting anyone who has already posted; I am more so alarmed at the amount of people who haven't posted. And unless we encourage posting, encourage cases, people aren't going to post shit.
tl;dr - Everyone usually thinks that town's #1 priority is scumhunting. While debatable, IMO the #1 priority is create a stable town atmosphere. To that end, encourage discussion, don't stifle it.
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Blazinghand
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You know what, I'm gonna make it completely unambigous here since ET seems to think I'm some sort of troll player.
This is every game I've played on TL Mafia. Take a look at them, and ask yourself, "is this a guy whose posts are 50% retarded and trolling? Or is this actually false, and ET is talking out of his ass?"
My Filters:
Student Mafia: Definitely no trolling, aggressively pushed scum and contributed to lynches and town victory as Doctor: (my filter)
Resistance I Mafia: Some spamming, but no trolling, tried up until the very last second to avert the town loss as a VT: (my filter)
Purgatory Mafia: Definitely no trolling, aggressively pushed scum and contributed to lynches and town victory as VT: (my filter)
Sleeper Cell II: Definitely no trolling, aggressively pushed scum and contributed to lynches and endgame reasoning: (my filter)
Resistance II Mafia: Although I made some mistakes, I put a great deal of effort in and was by no means retarded: (my filter)
Werewolves Mafia: No trolling, etc (my filter)
Sum of All fears Mafia: Did I post images and hat-eating gifs? Yes. But I was the only guy in the game defending a townie vet from a D1 mislynch. (my filter)
Aperture Mafia: Gifs and images, but no trolling and definitely no retardation: (my filter)
Storm Mafia: I end up getting mislynched this game day1, but aside from getting warned for telling syllogism to "eat a dick", there was no trolling or retardation (my filter)
TL Mafia LI: No trolling, some excellent use of images: (my filter)
I'm a Cop you Idiot Mafia: In this game, I troll and spam, but it is because at this point I am confirmed scum and Palmar explicitly allows spam. There was no trolling or retardation in it. (my filter)
TL Mafia LIII: In this game I am modkilled for obscenity. You'll notice the overuse of gifs and bad behavior. However, this is the only game of mine that is even remotely this bad, and hey, I got modkilled, and in the following games, I've been playing great! (filter)
TL MAfia LIV: In this game, after LIII in which I was modkilled, I play well and without trolling or retardation (my filter)
SO HEY, to ET, if you really think I'm a torll and I typically post gifs, GO DO THE RESEARCH.
I don't.
I'm a great player, and In one game, once, I was modkilled for overuse of gifs and obscenity, and SINCE THEN I've played great. I am not a troll or a retard.
And if you really think that this isn't the case, then you are intentionally being obtuse.
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Blazinghand
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On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote:
You're getting over emotional dude, and it's making you look bad.
1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan.
I'm not here to lynch SnB. I'm here to lynch Grush because he's worthless. Am I not allowed to put some pressure on SnB? Don't you find his reasoning for his choice to run for a power that's only useful to scum kinda weird?
On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote:
2. No, you didn't post tons of gifs and hats this game. But hey, grush hasn't been a complete anti-town loser this game either. But you want to lynch grush for stuff that he's done in a previous game. Do you see the logical disconnect here?
100% of my interaction with grush is that previous game, he was given plenty of chances to do well and he has not. I had one game in which I was modkilled unjustly for the use of profanity and gifs, and all my other games are pristine, and the list is long-- look it up yourself and apply your logic to evidence before talking about lgoical disconnects
On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote:
3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting.
If you think me triple posting is unusual clearly you're so unfamiliar with my meta that you should just stop talking.
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Blazinghand
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If you really think the thing holding back Grush57 from being a good player is that we're too negative, clearly you didn't read his LIV Filter.
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On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote:
You're getting over emotional dude, and it's making you look bad.
1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan.
2. No, you didn't post tons of gifs and hats this game. But hey, grush hasn't been a complete anti-town loser this game either. But you want to lynch grush for stuff that he's done in a previous game. Do you see the logical disconnect here?
3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting.
So calling BH a retard is fine and if he's offended, he deserves to be, because he's retarded... right?
Or are you just randomly defending some guy's OMGUS because it's against someone who is also running for mayor?
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