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On March 02 2012 11:33 Probulous wrote:
ROFL
"People are talking about how lurking is bad. Probulous spams it up, potentially as a result of this anti-lurker sentiment".
That's some serious mental gymnastics. Especially since we have played together before and I posted a lot then too. Anyway, from your response I think you just didn't think through your vote clearly.
I blame the alcohol >.<
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I'm glad I'm under fire.
This whole thing that I'm spouting one-liners thing is pretty messed up. There is nothing wrong with saying what my opinions are on policy lynches. It's not like I push that we should implement Lynch all Liars, but rather that it really is a good policy and I'm going to vote based on that policy.
(I also find it cute that deconduo called me a vet)
Anyways,
Paperscraps is town.
Probulous is town.
Bluelightz is town.
Snarfs is town.
Palmar is town.
A Killer Cuppa Tea is town.
Pandain leaning town.
rgTheSchworz is null.
Adam is leaning scum.
Sandroba is leaning scum.
##Vote: deconduo
His reason for voting for me was because he disagreed that LaL should be a policy. I don't know why his reads are the opposites of my reads (namely, Paperscraps and Probulous).
I'm missing some people because I missed them when I did my first impressions sheet/I wasn't paying enough attention to everyone/nothing stood out from anyone else.
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Australia3894 Posts
"His reason for voting for me was because he disagreed that LaL should be a policy. I don't know why his reads are the opposites of my reads (namely, Paperscraps and Probulous)."
People really are not being clear in this game. Misder, please can you clarify your reason for voting for decon? My understanding is that his reads are bad and his reason for voting for you was your position on LAL. Is that correct?
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Prob, my activity will come in bursts most of the game. I have uni back on now and also I don't like posting just for the sake of it, only when I feel I have something relevant to contribute.
I find Palmar interesting, as I do in every one of our games. I think his exchange with you from yesterday was an exercise in stating the obvious, something I don't expect from him. As I said to him yesterday, everything he was stating was stuff that townies should already be doing and the fact that he needed to stress it across 4 posts shows that he is either just talking for the sake of putting words on a page, or he has no faith in this town. Right now, I am leaning towards he is not town.
I find Pandains 'analysis' of Killer Cup interesting also. Pandain warns about making assumptions about your accusers here. Then he goes on to make the assumption that Killer Cup is so scummy that he cant be scum here.
I made that assumption in Arkham City with jaybrundage, that he looked so damn scummy that he had to be bad town. Nope, wrong. He was just obvscum. I don't agree with Pandains logic, but that doesn't make him scum, so I have him as null for now.
Misder, if you have all those reads on everyone, why not write a paragraph on each one and detail how you got to those reads. Writing everyone's name and then an alignment is pointless and we all love pointless lists around here. Your OMGUS vote on deconduo is weak. You're voting him because he has different reads to you? You need to start putting effort into your reads.
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Question do we know how many scum there are in the game?
My scum reads so far.
Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum
Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all.
##Vote: Deconduo
I messed up the format last time.
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I still think we should be lynching sandroba.
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i don't think deconduo is scum, or well, his response to me calling him terrible seemed kinda towny
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Paperscraps looks towny, so does rgTS. I'm not really sure about teacup, but there's nothing super scummy in his posting so far.
I refuse to analyse jackal58, cause I never get it right. misder seems towny i think. Adam not so much, he could be scummer. I'm not quite sure about probulous, something is off about his play I think, but I can't exactly tell if it's because he's scum. Bluelightz is impossible to read, but assuming the obvious he's town.
I actually think snarfs looks pretty towny from his sk asking post, it just seemed genuine enough not to be fabricated to make us think he's clueless town, in addition I don't think scum often does that.
No clue about the rest really. Toast and Pandain and anyone else I might be forgetting, but if I forget you it's because your content has been worthless so far. So take it as an insult please.
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I think it's very likely we have an SK, due to the number of players in the game.
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Australia3894 Posts
Jackal given you said this in Mafia L
On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared.
Would you shoot Sandroba if you had a gun this game. I agree with Palmar that he has been hiding which is scummy as hell. His case on Pandain is insubstantial and he isn't here. I have never played with him but since Jackal has a history of recognising Sandroba's scum, I think your opinion here would be useful.
LOL at Palmar basically calling me an SK.
"I'm not quite sure about probulous, something is off about his play I think, but I can't exactly tell if it's because he's scum. "
If my play is off (implying I am not town) and I am not scum, I must be an SK right? Sorry to disappoint you but this game I rolled regular townie. I will try and improve my play so it isn't so "off". It's time for bed here (early start tomorrow). I will check in, in the morning and vote before I head off to the wedding. Sorry I can't be at the deadline but there are some things more important than mafia (shock horror).
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That's an incorrect conclusion to draw from my wording, an alternative scenario is that you're simply town and playing in a different way than I expected. That would certainly make something off about your play, without making you either sk or scum.
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I do agree that there is an SK here.
I Believe Paperscraps is scum.
Let's look at his posts.
On March 01 2012 14:35 Paperscraps wrote:Hey everybody! 
Just got home from school.
The Probulous spam makes me laugh. I am cool with lynching all lurkers. Hopefully this will be an active game, so we don't have to resort to such measures. I am excited to play with a few more vets in this game, than my previous games. Quality of posts > Quantity of posts
The part I italiced is just fluff. The other part of this post is just voicing his opinion
On March 02 2012 02:09 Paperscraps wrote:
Probulous is town
Palmar is null
rg is town
deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far
Vote: deconduo
List = Useless, he didnt even provide reasons for why X is town, his reason for voting deconduo, I don't agree how reads can be horrible unless you know other people's alignment.
On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote:
Question do we know how many scum there are in the game?
My scum reads so far.
Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum
Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all.
##Vote: Deconduo
I messed up the format last time.
Fixed his vote, his list is not useless this time.
and.........
No more posts! Also, he is not providing anything useful to town and not contributing to the discussion.
So, ##Vote: Paperscraps
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On March 02 2012 18:52 Palmar wrote:
Toast and Pandain and anyone else I might be forgetting, but if I forget you it's because your content has been worthless so far. So take it as an insult please.
Lol jerk
On March 02 2012 18:41 Palmar wrote:
I still think we should be lynching sandroba.
His play so far this game has been weird, all he's done is shown up a few times to make some short stubby posts and then disappears again. Seems odd since every tutorial/analysis I've read says lurking is a bad way to play as Mafia. Shouldn't a vet like sandro know this? What does he have to gain as scum by lurking? I've got my money on SK, it makes the most sense.
At this point I'm pretty convinced Probulous is town. The whole "spam" thing was rediculous, the list he posted served a purpose it wasn't just fluff. He's also been one of the most active members of this game so far, he's got just about the most posts to go through and there's really nothing that jumps out as specifically scummy. He's so far been pretty even handed with his analysis. I thought his defense against AKCT was pretty good as well:
On March 02 2012 06:59 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 03:29 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
EBWOP: also, the majority of his posts had been town-sounding mechanics/theory posts which are incredibly easy for scum to make to help themselves look a lot townier (it's a good strategy!), but very little in the way of actual scumhunting, so they don't have to worry about statements that can come back and haunt them later.
Certain things are always "correct" in a game of mafia. Lurking benefits mafia. No Lynching is bad. Etc... You can't fault a guy for saying something along them lines. But if he Coles out today and says "wow, X is so totally townie"'and X later flips scum, it'll be held against him. By actively posting "correct" mafia theories, it's easy townpoints to be gained. Tea, in all your posts you have not been able even once to explain how my actions are mafia driven. You entire case is that I have been saying the right things. How does that make me mafia? You my friend have started with a conclusion and then made your argument based on it. What scumhunting have you done? You sheeped RG's terrible analysis on me and have called me out for providing nothing. See my decon post for my rebuttal to that silly idea. You sir better shape up because right now you are being hypocritical and targeting me with aweful logic, both of those make you scum in my book.
He easily points out the flaw in AKCT's bizzare argument, doesn't use any fluff (there are no pointless quotes here, no out of place lists), and all around presents a solid defense of himself. Probe's been a bit inconsistant as to who he is focusing on for Day 1, but overall I don't see anything in any of his posts that should indicate he is anything other than town.
Still not sure what the deal is with Pandain, his posts have been sporatic and his analysis wierd, but I still don't think that there is enough to make any kind of a scum call on him yet. But I'm going to be keeping my eyes on him.
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On March 02 2012 19:59 Probulous wrote:Jackal given you said this in Mafia L Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared. Would you shoot Sandroba if you had a gun this game. I agree with Palmar that he has been hiding which is scummy as hell. His case on Pandain is insubstantial and he isn't here. I have never played with him but since Jackal has a history of recognising Sandroba's scum, I think your opinion here would be useful.
This is interesting. I'm interested to know Jackal's answer to this as well. Pandain has made a number of posts since sandro's accusations but sandro still hasn't shown back up to comment on them. If Palmar is right and Sandro is scum, why isn't Sandro pushing Pandain harder? And where is he? To me his his behavior makes no sense in the context of scum. I'm thinking he's the serial killer.
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On March 02 2012 10:19 Bluelightz wrote:I could see Pandain as scum, I'll explain later, I can't explain now cuz I got school work tho.
Seems you've decided Paper is more scummy, but I'd still like to hear an explanation for this one.
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Current Vote Count:
Ties are ordered Chronologically due to Voting Rules
Misder - 2
deconduo
A Killer Cuppa Tea
deconduo - 2
Misder
Paperscraps
Sandroba - 1
Palmar
Pandain -1
Sandroba
TheToast - 1
Pandain
Paperscraps - 1
Bluelightz
Probulous - 0
rgTheSchworz
A Killer Cuppa Tea - 0
Probulous
Not Yet Voted: (Player List Order)
Jackal58, Probulous, Snarfs, rgTheSchworz, TheToast, Adam4167
If there is a mistake, please let me know!
There are about 10 hours until voting ends.
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I ve got to vote Pandain here.
I am not fond of defending someone scummy.
Cup's justification isnt satisfying, but we can deduce something of it when Pandain flips.
It s probable that theyre both scum.
##Vote andain
Sandro's town, at least from my POV right now.
He usually doesnt post walls of text, but when he rolls scum, he dissapears, and sometimes trolls like hell.
I see that at least hes putting a little effort in right now.
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I changed my mind about pandain. His following posts and the comment about the watcher made me reconsider. Apparently thetoast seems to know I'm not scum and can only be sk from his perspective.
@Palmar why do you think I'm scum?
Unvote
##Vote:TheToast
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ebwop:
##Unvote
##Vote TheToast
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EPT
