Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II - Page 11

On March 01 2012 12:45 Pandain wrote:
I was going to go to sleep but I had to say it.

Probulous stop spamming the thread. Your pulling a Pandain and making the whole thread a shitfest of spam. Why does it matter where people are? Why do you say a post to say "hey is anyone here?" If you keep spamming the thread, it creates a bad atmosphere that hurts the town. I'm too tired to explain but just stop posting if it doesn't have a real purpose, and never post if your just bored.
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On March 02 2012 04:16 sandroba wrote:
Pandain is likely scum because of his entry in the thread.

Somehow he is tired to post anything productive, but not tired enough to make a fake contribution saying doing something to get the thread going is wrong. Unlike probulous which I believe was trying to somehow produce content, his post is exactly what he accuses probulous of doing, which is posting with no purpose just to appear to be contributing. Town has no reason to do that and suggest nothing better to discuss.

##Vote: Pandain

On April 09 2011 08:10 Pandain wrote:
Alright broskis, let's get some things straight.

1.No Spam
To paraphrase Ver, to spam is almost as bad as being useless, sometimes even more so. In fact, I will probably be either lynching a "inactive" or a very spammy person. I have no idea how town nearly won last game(Insane mafia.) That game was a shitfest, and seriously analysis was a drop of water in the desert there. You don't need to share every thought you have. Just don't be inactive, and don't post 70x the amount in a LR thread, and you'll be good.

On March 02 2012 01:18 deconduo wrote:


Do you want me to show you how often scum make pointless lists in games? Its the most obvious filler you can make, because it a massive important looking post that adds absolutely nothing to the game.



No, I have no idea why YOU think its bad.

On March 01 2012 20:27 Palmar wrote:
Do you think that's a valid question Probulous? Do you honestly think I would scumslip? The obvious (and correct) explanation was that I meant post-death. ie: if I get shot and flip, please re-read what I said and consider that I may have been right.

However, the fact that you jump on it is interesting to me, and why do you do it in such a soft way? Do you actually think that I might be scum because of this? Or are you just looking for an easy opportunity to discredit me?

On March 01 2012 18:55 Palmar wrote:
like seriously, if sandroba or I turn out to be town, you should probably just do whatever we tell you to do.

On March 02 2012 00:12 Palmar wrote:
Sandroba did you roll scum or are you just doing your bored townie impression?

On March 02 2012 03:29 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
EBWOP: also, the majority of his posts had been town-sounding mechanics/theory posts which are incredibly easy for scum to make to help themselves look a lot townier (it's a good strategy!), but very little in the way of actual scumhunting, so they don't have to worry about statements that can come back and haunt them later.

Certain things are always "correct" in a game of mafia. Lurking benefits mafia. No Lynching is bad. Etc... You can't fault a guy for saying something along them lines. But if he Coles out today and says "wow, X is so totally townie"'and X later flips scum, it'll be held against him. By actively posting "correct" mafia theories, it's easy townpoints to be gained.

On March 02 2012 06:59 Probulous wrote:


Tea, in all your posts you have not been able even once to explain how my actions are mafia driven. You entire case is that I have been saying the right things. How does that make me mafia? You my friend have started with a conclusion and then made your argument based on it.

What scumhunting have you done? You sheeped RG's terrible analysis on me and have called me out for providing nothing. See my decon post for my rebuttal to that silly idea. You sir better shape up because right now you are being hypocritical and targeting me with aweful logic, both of those make you scum in my book.

Pandain's point is valid none-the-less. We need to avoid getting sidetracked. That's all I was trying to say.

I would say why don't we wait for a few hours and see if we actually have any lurkers. And obvious scum should still be lynched first day one, if there are really no good candidates I would say then we should consider lynching a lurker. But in that case the lurker would be the best candidate, so I still say lynches need to be based on good analysis.

I reiterate: silly lynch rules really only benefit scum. Logical analysis first please.

wasn't trying to specifically call you out. See the first word in that bolded sentence? "WE" As in ALL of us, together, need to avoid getting side tracked. I'm also unsure how you get me accusing you of "spamming" from me saying we need to avoid getting side tracked.

And to be fair, you did start a side conversation with Misder. I don't know that constitutes "spamming", but it's not going to lead to posts that can provide good analysis one way or the other. Just saying.

I wasn't trying to say you were spamming, I don't know why you are being so defensive about this. Pandain made a point about avoiding outside conversation in the thread, I agreed with that point. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. So no, I don't have a problem with it.

And you're right, I do try to think logically. As such I don't think two posts by themselves are enough to prove anyone as scum.

On March 02 2012 08:26 Pandain wrote:
AKCT hasn't done anything scummy. At least not anything that we can pinpoint definitively too. Right now your just clouded by the fact they both accused you, and you probably think anyone who supports you is town to. That's a dangerous, oftentimes wrong assumption to make. The_Toast, to the best of day1 analysis can go, is our best bet for right now.

On March 02 2012 07:51 Pandain wrote:
I believe Probulous is town, or at least not scummy enough to lynch day 1. He's way too active/aggressive I feel for him to be mafia, although I'll have to look at his previous games for confirmation.

I'm most suspicious of The_Toast. Contrary to his last game as town, (filter HERE) he is much more taciturn this game.

Compare that with his current posts. All hes done is agree with what others said, and justify his own views(almost guiltily/apolegtic.)

generic, "pro town" advice.


#vote the Toast

On March 01 2012 12:57 Pandain wrote:
That took a long time to post. Are you hiding something?

On March 02 2012 08:55 TheToast wrote:
Pandain, right now I still don't think there is enough evidence against you to make a scum call; but it looks to me like you are desperately trying to focus attention off of yourself.

On March 02 2012 08:49 Probulous wrote:


I agree on RG. If you have courage take a look at Arkham City (Adam rolls his eyes). He claimed everything under the sun and looked scummy as hell but ended up being a regular vet. The fact that he put together an atrocious case on me and called it so makes him pretty much town in my eyes. Weird play but produced some interesting results.

Tea however jumped at the opportunity to call me scum when everyone else who pushed me, never did. RG clearly didn't believe I was scum or he would have pushed much harder but tea sheeps. Then he tries to explain his sheep with the worst possible logic available. He could be townie who doesn't know what is going on, but if that is the case why jump at me? He wants to look like he is contributing when he isn't.

I am fully aware that townies will target other townies. That happens all the time, that is why people's motivations for posting are important. From what I have seen from Tea he wants to look like he is contributing without contributing. Hence my suspicion. The fact that it was me is irrelevant.

On March 02 2012 08:55 TheToast wrote:


Let me get this straight. You think I'm scum because I'm being too nice? Based on what, the one* other game of mafia I've played? Well then, why don't you take a closer look at that game, you might see that I didn't post any serious analysis or votes until like 24 hours into the game. I prefer to wait until there is a good amount of evidence before making any votes or claims. And why does agreeing with you contribute to my scumminess? Are you now suddenly in favor of conversations that side track the game? Or just in favor of lynching people who agree with you about avoiding conversations that side track the thread? I love how you quoted me defending you against Probe's accusation as well. Excellent evidence you have provided.

Pandain right now you have 4 posts in this game. You called out Probulous with some vague accusations:



Then after both probe and sandroba call you out on this, you've very next post is--not responding to either of these--but rather to come out claiming Probulous is town--without a single shred of evidence or analysis--and claiming that I am scum based on scant evidence. Then post #4, have you addressed probe or sandroba's accusations? Nope. You tell Probe (who again, has not mysteriously become townish) that his vote on AKCoT is bad and that tunneling me is the best bet.

Pandain, right now I still don't think there is enough evidence against you to make a scum call; but it looks to me like you are desperately trying to focus attention off of yourself.

I love how you quoted me defending you against Probe's accusation as well. Excellent evidence you have provided.

On March 02 2012 02:09 Paperscraps wrote:
Probulous is town
Palmar is null
rg is town

deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far

Vote: deconduo

On March 02 2012 06:45 Probulous wrote:


Decon, are you seriously saying that my list was the only thing I contributed to this game? Because that is the only way it could be used to drive an agenda. To make it look like I was contributing while actually posting nothing. Well so far I pointed out Pandain's scummy attempt to undermine me, Palmar's "scumslip" (I don't believe it, just needed a response) and I had the discussion with Misder which convinced you he was scum. How can you cast suspicion on me for hiding?

It should be clear to everyone that the list was made early game to help people be aware of timezones. That is all. How that is scummy I will never know.

On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.

Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time?

On March 02 2012 09:18 Pandain wrote:
AKCT isn't actingi scummy. What was his first post? A vote of you with no explanation. Mafia would never ever EVER do that, that's so suspicious. Mafia are usually careful, and reticent in demeanor(part of why I think The_Toast is mafia).
Theres one thing I have suspicions about but as of yet I'm waiting to see what he does about it, and telling him will ruin it. As of now I feel any evidence regarding AKCT is speculative, while more conclusive evidence is elsewhere.