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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: My dear fellows, where on earth is our fair mayor? off in scum town? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: My dear fellows, where on earth is our fair mayor? He clearly doesn't want to play, so maybe we should help him out? | ||
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papapanda
Taiwan326 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote: papapanda, the wishy-washy scum: It's harder to pick out posts for wishywashyness here, but posts like these: Lots of questions as with much of his filter in general. This is the kind of post that's a post for the sake of it. For further reading, here is his filter from LIV where he was town. He's more open, more engaging, less afraid to post. There's an honesty and lack of deception in his filter in LIV that does not seem present here. I thought I am being less wishy washy than last game... I FoSed Hyaach and pointed out SS, but I didnt vote because I didn't feel strong enough about them. The definition of FoS means you are suspicious, but not suspicious enough to put your vote on him yet, is it not? Anyhow this is how I was/am using these terms; FoS->HoS->SCUM. That said, I voted for who I thought was clearly scum: VE and gambit I will agree with you in that I did not clearly provide my reasoning with my vote declaration post for VE, but I assure you I was not mindlessly sheeping regardless of how silly my reasoning sounds now. At the time, as with 13 other voters, it seemed to be the right thing to do, and I think I have put more effort into explaining my vote than half of them. On June 06 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote: This post is obviously the big one. It just screams scum. Don't vote for VE! Wiggles is more likely scum, vote for him! Except I will vote for VE! The reason he's voting for VE? The plan to confirm his vig shot is flawed. Well where the fuck does that say VE is scum? It just doesn't. As far as single condemning posts go, this one is pretty high up the list. This quote was a response to grush's list of scum, and his vote for VE after that post. VE wasn't in his list of scum(which included the likes of Mr Wiggles and myself)->Grush didn't provide reasoning for VE->I call him out/Grush switch votes to kita. I also explained it here: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 06:19 papapanda wrote: Not in particular, I want him to vote for someone who he thinks is scum from his list of read. And he voted kita so nevermind i guess, just saying that voting for someone who you don't think is scum doesn't make much sense. On June 06 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote: Conclusion: wishy washy Terrible, terrible vote and subsequent explanation on VE (main point!) less contributory than as town in LIV Scum. Regarding Zealous, he was targeted mainly for his useless post and lurking status, so I suggested Hyaach because at the time he was basically the same at zealous but had other posts that suggested scum. With his recent posts, I am willing to have a further look into hyaach, and just off the top of my head he certainly is playing more town now, but I will take another look at him. Regarding current vote: Consider my vote on kita right now. I like the plan to switch to votes mana if no other medic claim. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
I spam that because it's important to be aware of the possibilty, and not to be complacent, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. In MTG mafia recently, it was Navilus, Katina, HiroPro, and Zealos. They are competent players sure, but WBG and VE were both town, yet fought at lot under a pretense that balance dictated their opposal. Another example is SoaF, where scum team was myself, gonzaw, Bluelightz, and cccalf, vs. VE and BH. You don't NEED a scum vet; it's just a possibility. Anyways, if we're talking scum vets, I'm leaning Wiggles at this point. Why is he so hilariously AWOL? Are you busy or something? It's appearing that the greatest consensus is towards killing Manason. There is no medic counter claim, so I do not want to lynch kita right now. Like someone mentioned, if probe+another dies, then we lynch Kita. If probe doesn't die (or kita dies) then his claim is truer. If Probe dies alone, then it's null. Either way, the path of least risk is to not lynch kita, and his actions are decently explainable at times. He's mostly been wishy washy/not scumhunting that hard, but then again we were all wrong about VE, weren't we? I want another mason in the circle to claim by tomorrow day, at the latest. I have a sneaking fear that MZ is doing a crazy ass mafia plan with toad. If another mason claims to be part of the circle, then I will no longer have to consider that fear as deeply. There a million possibilities or WIFOM, blue fake claims, etc etc, but the least risky proposition right now is to leave kita, and lynch elsewhere. Since Manason has claimed scum a few times, let's continue lynching down the line. ##Unvote ##Vote: Manason | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On June 06 2012 07:14 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Eliminating myself, Toad, and Meapak we have a pool of 11 players where the remaining four scum players reside. I have also removed Prob and Hassy. While he has not been confirmed 100% as a detective and the alignment check on hassybaby may be masked by a godfather cover, I do not believe they should be considered for lynch today. Additionally, as an anti-scum lyncher has already flipped, I think it is extremely likely that an anti-town lyncher is still in play. That leaves 5 out of 9 anti-town players in the following pool: 6. Hyaach 7. marvellosity 10. austinmcc 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 30. Kenpachi I have read throug each player's filter and removed the players I have some degree of town read on. austinmcc has shown signs that he cares about town and has shown motivation to scum hunt, he has defended zealos in order to push a gambit lynch. It seems unlikely that a mafia player will defend a scumbuddy, while pushing another scumbuddy. Finally, his silly conspiracy theory about a toad, meapak, kita scum group seems town to me. marvellosity shows signs of frustration with inactivity and looks good after pushing the zealos lynch. In addition, he is the only player to have a back and forth conversation with zealos. His recent play has been less convincing, but I'm willing to put him off for later. 6. Hyaach 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 30. Kenpachi I'm strongly considering pusing Kenpachi for the following post: On May 30 2012 11:03 Kenpachi wrote: shall we roll the metagame die? I firmly believe 2-3 of the mafia team is made of Mafia veterans namely Wiggles Kitaman and even myself. I personally believe Wiggles is mafia cause he should have known better than to lynch Sinensis for day 1. poor as hell of a choice honestly. So you might be asking why am i doing this? simple: im fucking good at doing this. after i pulled this shit off months ago, i noticed a trend in a lack of balanced mafia teams but i was able to point out players such as BloodyC0bbler with this method. but i figure, why the hell not try this again since im pretty sure hosts started going back to their balancing ways. Look at this list carefully. They can all be potent mafia or town players. likely 2 or 3 are mafia. Why? If i was a host, id sure be unhappy if my entire team was 6 grushes. 2. Blazinghand 7. marvellosity 14. Toadesstern 15. Supersoft 21. Wherebugsgo 22. Mr. Wiggles 26. EchelonTee 27. kitaman27 28. VisceraEyes 29. Meapak_Ziphh 30. Kenpachi well thats it. i havent actually read anyone's post on this list lawl It seems pretty clear that the mafia team has a limited number of players with 20+ games experience based on the flips and identities of confirmed power roles. Pushing this sort of policy as a member of a mafia team of players such as gambit and zealos allow the vets to be at each others throats, while the quieter players sneak by. On May 30 2012 10:30 Kenpachi wrote: did i start the Zealos wagon? im gonna read his filter and give my thoughts. On May 30 2012 10:34 Kenpachi wrote: wait who added onto my Zealos analysis? Furthermore, Kenpachi wants to remind us that he found zealous scummy, without actually pushing a zealos lynch. The last two cycles he has done nothing but taunt me about my lynch, with no consideration that I could be town. He is always a tough read, but he is not a player I want around for endgame. Wiggles I still feel is a good lynch. As I look through his posts, I really strugle to find town tells that show that he has the towns best interest in mind. Every single cycle he has taken a backseat role, only taken the time to comment about irrelevant information, lacking in true contribution. I would like to do a follow-up post to my previous analysis of wiggles, but this took too much time. Please everyone respond to this post. The day is nearly half way over and we have gone absolutely nowhere. Does nobody care about this game? I actually agree with a lot of this post, and Kita has finally articulated a decent point on why he considers Kenpachi scummy. The only caveat with Wiggles is that he lately has had a playstyle very similar to this as town; usually it was due to a complacency in the town atmosphere, but I feel like that is not a very suitable excuse this time. Kita should not be todays lynch. Move your votes, people. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 17:17 EchelonTee wrote: About the whole "there needs to be veterans in scum team" or whatever. I spam that because it's important to be aware of the possibilty, and not to be complacent, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. In MTG mafia recently, it was Navilus, Katina, HiroPro, and Zealos. They are competent players sure, but WBG and VE were both town, yet fought at lot under a pretense that balance dictated their opposal. Another example is SoaF, where scum team was myself, gonzaw, Bluelightz, and cccalf, vs. VE and BH. You don't NEED a scum vet; it's just a possibility. Anyways, if we're talking scum vets, I'm leaning Wiggles at this point. Why is he so hilariously AWOL? Are you busy or something? It's appearing that the greatest consensus is towards killing Manason. There is no medic counter claim, so I do not want to lynch kita right now. Like someone mentioned, if probe+another dies, then we lynch Kita. If probe doesn't die (or kita dies) then his claim is truer. If Probe dies alone, then it's null. Either way, the path of least risk is to not lynch kita, and his actions are decently explainable at times. He's mostly been wishy washy/not scumhunting that hard, but then again we were all wrong about VE, weren't we? I want another mason in the circle to claim by tomorrow day, at the latest. I have a sneaking fear that MZ is doing a crazy ass mafia plan with toad. If another mason claims to be part of the circle, then I will no longer have to consider that fear as deeply. There a million possibilities or WIFOM, blue fake claims, etc etc, but the least risky proposition right now is to leave kita, and lynch elsewhere. Since Manason has claimed scum a few times, let's continue lynching down the line. ##Unvote ##Vote: Manason I haven't read those games but yeah if there's only few vets in the game there won't be mafia vets most times and you make it look like there were few vets in those games. If there's 2 or less vets in general it's usually no mafia vet. About 1/3 or 1/4 of vets usually "should be" mafia. If you don't even have 3 or 4 vets in a game a mafia vet would be "imba" because they shoot the other town vet n1 and instantly win the game that way. Just look at WoF and what happened after Rad and I died... 3 fucking nolynches in a row (kind of, a mislynch inbetween because town was furstrated) because noone knew what to do anymore with Rad and myself being dead. It's a bit tricky because WBGs C9++ games tend to be completly true randomized for example and so are other games but most people see to it that it's even vet-vise. So basicly I completly disagree. We NEED a scumvet. There's no way greymist will make a game that is 6 newbies vs Toadesstern, Supersoft, Mr. Wiggles, Forumite, kitaman27, VisceraEyes, (Kenpachi) and all of them are town. Yes I know foru flipped 3rd party but as far as I understood it was town favored 3rd party and we're still missing the mafia favored 3rd party. Especially with WBG replacing in as town as well. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:01 Toadesstern wrote: SCREW MAFIA god damn it Why didn't you protect those 2  So no confirmation on me for this circle although I should look pretty decent with MZ and WBG... maybe I still don't end up being shot if you continue to make it look like I'm not confirmed :3 | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Didn't do this before, so ##Vote: Manason | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:02 marvellosity wrote: I'm somewhat curious why Toad keeps including himself in feared town veterans etc. :/ Didn't do this before, so ##Vote: Manason I'm not including myself in a list of feared town vets. I'm including myself in a list of vets and yes I did that before. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:44 austinmcc wrote: EBWOP: Phrasing bad. Can a mason be roleblocked from adding someone to the mason group? I already told you I can't be roleblocked. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:45 Toadesstern wrote: I'm not including myself in a list of feared town vets. I'm including myself in a list of vets and yes I did that before. 'Didn't do this before' was referring to myself on the voting, not you ^^ austin: the mafia roleblocker (Gambit) is dead too as well as toad saying he can't be rb'ed | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
kitaman27 - (7) Toadesstern EchelonTee Probulous austinmcc Kenpachi Hyaach Manason Except for mana does this look bad? That's a lot of people I consider to be townies. And we need 8 people on someone. Do you really want to get on mana instead? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:54 Toadesstern wrote: Ok just one question: Except for mana does this look bad? That's a lot of people I consider to be townies. And we need 8 people on someone. Do you really want to get on mana instead? So you're suggesting you'd prefer people voting for the claimed medic with no counter-claim instead? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Actually ESPECIALLY MAFIAS would be happy to vote that dude if kita really is a townie. Do you see that? Because frankly I don't. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote: So the answer to my previous question would be 'yes'? yeah kind of. I'm scared but I really don't believe his claim. Why would he switch targets after successfully protecting MZ n1 which should be an insta confirmed town to him? What if some jackass like Kenpachi is a medic and just refuses to claim? I'd be willing to lynch maju or mana if I have to as well but we need a lynch and I'm pretty sure all three will flip mafia anyways, so it's not like it's making a difference... I want to hear other peoples opinion and wether they want to switch as well before unvoting. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
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