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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 02:57 GMT
#2221
johnnywup
Mattchew
Janaan
Risen
Bill Murray
[UoN]Sentinel
PaqMan

this is who is left... its 8 people... stop being dense johnny... 3 scum 5 town, a mislynch and no JK = scum wins
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 03 2012 03:00 GMT
#2222
yeah, i was being stupid there...but it may still work but we have to go all-in, in sorts. If BM flips town, town will be tied with scum, with 3:3. If town can get 3 on risen or sent before scum gets a lynch on a town, then the tie rule will lynch the scum. If its a GF it's 2:2 and we gotta do the same thing again the next day. If its Goon we are 3:2, and there shouldn't be a way to lose because scum is forced to reveal themselves in order to try and lynch a townie the previous day, and since we have majority we get the lynch unless a townie is being an idiot.

This will be really risky though, as everyone has to be f5ing the thread hardcore in order to get their votes in first. I understand if town feels like this is too much of a risk and we don't go through with it, but if we do it right we should win 100%


if BM flips scum we should be able to win ezpz however.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 03:05 GMT
#2223
On May 03 2012 12:00 johnnywup wrote:
yeah, i was being stupid there...but it may still work but we have to go all-in, in sorts. If BM flips town, town will be tied with scum, with 3:3. If town can get 3 on risen or sent before scum gets a lynch on a town, then the tie rule will lynch the scum. If its a GF it's 2:2 and we gotta do the same thing again the next day. If its Goon we are 3:2, and there shouldn't be a way to lose because scum is forced to reveal themselves in order to try and lynch a townie the previous day, and since we have majority we get the lynch unless a townie is being an idiot.

This will be really risky though, as everyone has to be f5ing the thread hardcore in order to get their votes in first. I understand if town feels like this is too much of a risk and we don't go through with it, but if we do it right we should win 100%


if BM flips scum we should be able to win ezpz however.

scum usually win if the # of scum = # of town

right mods?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 03 2012 03:06 GMT
#2224
I think that's because scum can coordinate an insta-lynch the moment the daypost starts. But with my plan, town can do the same thing.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 03:07 GMT
#2225
So johnny you want to lynch Mattchew if BM flips scum?
t(ツ)t
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 03:07 GMT
#2226
On May 03 2012 12:00 johnnywup wrote:
yeah, i was being stupid there...but it may still work but we have to go all-in, in sorts. If BM flips town, town will be tied with scum, with 3:3. If town can get 3 on risen or sent before scum gets a lynch on a town, then the tie rule will lynch the scum. If its a GF it's 2:2 and we gotta do the same thing again the next day. If its Goon we are 3:2, and there shouldn't be a way to lose because scum is forced to reveal themselves in order to try and lynch a townie the previous day, and since we have majority we get the lynch unless a townie is being an idiot.

This will be really risky though, as everyone has to be f5ing the thread hardcore in order to get their votes in first. I understand if town feels like this is too much of a risk and we don't go through with it, but if we do it right we should win 100%


if BM flips scum we should be able to win ezpz however.

2 more things.

if/when BM flips town, if we didn't lose right there and then, we don't know the 3rd scum member, only sent/risen.

You seem to be trying to take the super lazy and easy way out of this game. you also seem to be trying to sell the easy win to everyone else.

your posting has earned my FOS as the third scum
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 03 2012 03:09 GMT
#2227
Scum wins when they outnumber town, or nothing can prevent this.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 03:09 GMT
#2228
Paq did you read what i linked to you, if so, do you have any thoughts?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 03:11 GMT
#2229
On May 03 2012 12:09 Mattchew wrote:
Paq did you read what i linked to you, if so, do you have any thoughts?


Yes. I thought it was really hilarious, lol.
I still want him dead. That doesn't clear him of being scum and it doesn't justify him as town.
t(ツ)t
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 03 2012 03:12 GMT
#2230
On May 03 2012 12:07 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 12:00 johnnywup wrote:
yeah, i was being stupid there...but it may still work but we have to go all-in, in sorts. If BM flips town, town will be tied with scum, with 3:3. If town can get 3 on risen or sent before scum gets a lynch on a town, then the tie rule will lynch the scum. If its a GF it's 2:2 and we gotta do the same thing again the next day. If its Goon we are 3:2, and there shouldn't be a way to lose because scum is forced to reveal themselves in order to try and lynch a townie the previous day, and since we have majority we get the lynch unless a townie is being an idiot.

This will be really risky though, as everyone has to be f5ing the thread hardcore in order to get their votes in first. I understand if town feels like this is too much of a risk and we don't go through with it, but if we do it right we should win 100%


if BM flips scum we should be able to win ezpz however.

2 more things.

if/when BM flips town, if we didn't lose right there and then, we don't know the 3rd scum member, only sent/risen.

You seem to be trying to take the super lazy and easy way out of this game. you also seem to be trying to sell the easy win to everyone else.

your posting has earned my FOS as the third scum

We will know the 3rd Scum member, because in order for scum to get a lynch on a townie, they have to coordinate and mass lynch a townie, which will go against the lynch of the confirmed scum based on BMs flip. We won't have to look, they'll reveal themselves to us.


On May 03 2012 12:07 PaqMan wrote:
So johnny you want to lynch Mattchew if BM flips scum?

If BM flips goon we lynch mattchew, if BM flips gf we lynch sent. Sent is only confirmed Jailer if BM flips Goon.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 03:14 GMT
#2231
Also, your plan would work better with lynching sent,

if sent flips town, you lynch BM (taking out what would be scum KP) and me and then find 3rd scum

when sent flips scum, you go up 5 - 2, might lynch scum KP, and then you guarantee the next day lynch of Risen, and then you go up at least 4 - 1, at best 5 - 1 if sent is goon
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 03 2012 03:15 GMT
#2232
same issue with my plan with sent, it would end up being 3:3 tomorrow if sent flips town. I even got a FoS from that, so why are you suggesting the same thing with a different person?
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 03:16 GMT
#2233
On May 03 2012 12:11 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 12:09 Mattchew wrote:
Paq did you read what i linked to you, if so, do you have any thoughts?


Yes. I thought it was really hilarious, lol.
I still want him dead. That doesn't clear him of being scum and it doesn't justify him as town.

it doesn't make it right, but it explains why it happens. please find me a game where BM played town and didn't play batshit insane
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 03 2012 03:17 GMT
#2234
On May 03 2012 12:12 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 12:07 Mattchew wrote:
On May 03 2012 12:00 johnnywup wrote:
yeah, i was being stupid there...but it may still work but we have to go all-in, in sorts. If BM flips town, town will be tied with scum, with 3:3. If town can get 3 on risen or sent before scum gets a lynch on a town, then the tie rule will lynch the scum. If its a GF it's 2:2 and we gotta do the same thing again the next day. If its Goon we are 3:2, and there shouldn't be a way to lose because scum is forced to reveal themselves in order to try and lynch a townie the previous day, and since we have majority we get the lynch unless a townie is being an idiot.

This will be really risky though, as everyone has to be f5ing the thread hardcore in order to get their votes in first. I understand if town feels like this is too much of a risk and we don't go through with it, but if we do it right we should win 100%


if BM flips scum we should be able to win ezpz however.

2 more things.

if/when BM flips town, if we didn't lose right there and then, we don't know the 3rd scum member, only sent/risen.

You seem to be trying to take the super lazy and easy way out of this game. you also seem to be trying to sell the easy win to everyone else.

your posting has earned my FOS as the third scum

We will know the 3rd Scum member, because in order for scum to get a lynch on a townie, they have to coordinate and mass lynch a townie, which will go against the lynch of the confirmed scum based on BMs flip. We won't have to look, they'll reveal themselves to us.


Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 12:07 PaqMan wrote:
So johnny you want to lynch Mattchew if BM flips scum?

If BM flips goon we lynch mattchew, if BM flips gf we lynch sent. Sent is only confirmed Jailer if BM flips Goon.


What if BM flips goon, Sentinel fake-claimed, and Mattchew was telling the truth? I think it's possible that BM withheld his kp to support Sentinel by giving him more town cred in case the real blue (Mattchew) claims.
t(ツ)t
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 03:19 GMT
#2235
On May 03 2012 12:15 johnnywup wrote:
same issue with my plan with sent, it would end up being 3:3 tomorrow if sent flips town. I even got a FoS from that, so why are you suggesting the same thing with a different person?

because you either lynch scum today, or guarantee lynching goon the next day.

you lynch BM and he flips town, then you just have sent and risen, and I dont think either are goon
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 03 2012 03:20 GMT
#2236
There's also reasons outside testing that I think that BM is scum. For example his town meta he may be inactive but he does make read and push reads at least somewhat. This game he hasn't at all. He's inactive in both, but in his town meta he does make at least somewhat useful posts.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 03 2012 03:29 GMT
#2237
I've felt BM was scum for a long long time. This happens to be a time where it could be very very useful for town to lynch him. If there's a time to lynch him, nows the time. I think BM is scum and lynching him will get us another scum, 2 maybe.

On May 03 2012 12:17 PaqMan wrote:
What if BM flips goon, Sentinel fake-claimed, and Mattchew was telling the truth? I think it's possible that BM withheld his kp to support Sentinel by giving him more town cred in case the real blue (Mattchew) claims.

it's possible but its a waste of a KP for scum and it doesn't instantly make sent scum if his "jail" didn't stop a shot. if sent fake claimed then scum should have still shot, because it makes BM look like not a goon and he doesn't get lynched, while still using his KP. This makes BM being goon more likely and sent telling the truth more likely. The other possibility is that BM is town and Sent is scum, which is the only real situation where we have to do the insta-vote after day post.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 03 2012 03:36 GMT
#2238
Even before I came up with my plan I came up with (what i think is) good reasoning behind BM being a Goon and Matt being a GF


On May 03 2012 11:06 johnnywup wrote:
yeah you're right, none of your posts make sense as town.




this post is assuming your claim is true.

maybe i am rushing my posts. the point is there was 0 reason to not claim and 0 reason to lynch someone who wasnt confirmed scum absolutely 0. i can't think of a single reason why you wouldn't claim. you let town sheep a confirmed scum and theres no way a town would let that happen. If a confirmed scum is pushing someone you thought was scum, do you think somethings suspicious there? maybe? it makes no sense.

another thing to address is the timing of your claim. As scum, it makes perfect sense really. If you let town sheep a jk because they successfully blocked a shot, then you lose your kp. Risking losing a GF to lynch the JK in order to mislynch and keep your KP makes perfect sense. It was a big risk and it didn't pay off. At the very least, if you failed, you'd be lynched and your Goon wouldn't be, so you'd have a KP for at least tonight. I'd be willing to bet you're a GF and BM is the last Goon.

##unvote
##vote Bill Murray


and to add to this, Matt thought that in the case of a tie, Scum wins. So, if he could possibly get a mislynch today, then scum (he thought) would win. If they lynch him, hey hes the GF so goon still gets to kill, so then its its still lylo, and Scum has ANOTHER shot to cause a mislynch. If we correctly lynch again, they STILL only need a mislynch. So scum has (he thought) 3 shots if scum mislynched today.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure Matt is a GF and BM is a Goon.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 03 2012 03:36 GMT
#2239
EBWOP: 3 shots to mislynch, not 3 shots if scum mislynched today
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 03 2012 03:40 GMT
#2240
johnny, have you ever played a game where if # of scum = # of town scum didn't win?

and I love how you completely ignore Sentinel in all of your reasoning. by voting BM you are saying you believe Sent and are willing the bet the entire game on a scum read on the craziest player in the game. Do you think that I would have pushed BM's lynch (and push away from a VE lynch) as hard as I did day 1 if he was my teammate? You are literally taking the laziest way out with this situation
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
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