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@Erandorr
So you were not trying to defend hiro protagonist, you were just trying to prevent people from voting for him, even though you thought he was scummy. You did this by saying that you thought that he was pretty bad looking and by agreeing with half of a huge analysis on him. A big part of the rest of the analysis you tried to refute by saying "shut up". Can you see why this makes little sense to me? I can understand being against stupid bandwagons that forms 10 minutes before deadline, but this was 25 hours before deadline and the guy had 2 votes on him.
Why wasn't the long post on wherebugsgo very smart by you? I agree with this but I'd like to hear your opinion on it too.
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##Unvote
##Vote Mr. Wiggles
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On November 16 2011 23:44 prplhz wrote:
@Erandorr
So you were not trying to defend hiro protagonist, you were just trying to prevent people from voting for him, even though you thought he was scummy. You did this by saying that you thought that he was pretty bad looking and by agreeing with half of a huge analysis on him. A big part of the rest of the analysis you tried to refute by saying "shut up". Can you see why this makes little sense to me? I can understand being against stupid bandwagons that forms 10 minutes before deadline, but this was 25 hours before deadline and the guy had 2 votes on him.
Why wasn't the long post on wherebugsgo very smart by you? I agree with this but I'd like to hear your opinion on it too.
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##Unvote
##Vote Mr. Wiggles
Prplzh, don't be an Idiot please. I don't know if you are genuinly slow right now or deliberatly malicious. I wanted to point out the , to me, very obvious flaws in wbg analysis. It was a stupid thing to do because I did it more out of frustration instead of posting something that would be more helpful to town. The instances in which I said "shut up", which was twice should be very obvious to you because in those cases wbg is just being unbelievably agressive and doing that in a very stupid way. I have no idea what bugs you about that.
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Then why the hell are you claiming now that you did it to prevent a bandwagon? You had no reason to do this, and you weren't doing it, so that makes no sense to me.
Do you see what I am getting at?
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That you should not be taken seriously in a game of mafia?
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I am pending Wiggles's answer and explanation before I go on a full-on crusade against him. I suggest Erandorr is our backup lynch.
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Palmar could you do me a favor and write me a long nice post that explains why I should be lynched?
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I'm actually fine with a lynch of Wiggles over hiro if he continues to be useless. His first post was terrible and the one after it was pretty bad too. He's also incredibly inactive.
However Palmar, I'm not convinced Erandorr is a viable alternative. If he were scum it doesn't make sense for him to even soft defend hiro after pressuring him, unless they're both scum and he started out bybussing. That doesn't sound reasonable so I'm willing to bet it isn't true.
What do you see in Erandorr's play that makes him scummy?
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Also, I'ma lock my vote on hiro till I'm back from class. I should be here for the last 3 hours of the day, roughly. Till then I'll be gone.
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On November 16 2011 16:58 prplhz wrote:@Meapak_Ziphh What happened in between this post and this post that made you think that hiro protagonist was any more mafia, so much more that he suddenly deserved your vote? Why didn't you vote him in the first of those posts? @Mr. Wiggles Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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So, my post got me some information that I consider valuable and more information on certain players than the rest of the thread did before that (besides maybe Hiro). Too bad no one was really dumb and actually responded to my question though, because most townies here are smart enough to know not to and it would have been an easy scum-tell. This really rubs me the wrong way. "Too bad no one was really dumb", are you trying to catch dumb people? "Most townies here are smart enough to know not to [answer your question]" why are you trying to catch dumb townies with your question and not scum? I don't understand this at all, please explain. Why are you trying to pose as "catching" scum with gimmicky shit like this, when you acknowledge yourself that it will most likely just "catch" dumb townies? @sandroba, Palmar lol™
Not to catch dumb townies, just to catch dumb scum who'd be happy to answer the question and look like they're "contributing", but that's not the only thing though. My post generated information for me, and a lot more information than "I'm going to vote for random player X" ever would. It was a catalyst to get people talking. Sure, it didn't catch dumb scum, but it told me about other people by how they reacted to it.
On November 16 2011 19:46 Palmar wrote:Wiggles is one of the people that look pretty scummy to me. His idea for creating discussion bears some resemblance (not materially, just the mindset it seems to be created in) to his EA plan in Cosmic Horror mafia. His posts are carefully constructed and notice that when he gives us his reads he doesn't actually put anyone up against the wall. It's all "we need to keep this in mind" or "x needs to be watched". Of particular interest is his piece on Wherebugsgo: Show nested quote +
Wherebugsgo:
This is interesting, because he comes in rather later than everyone else and puts effort into attacking my post after most people had left it. It's a case of people jumping on a bad post and repeating what had already been said, because bashing something bad is easy and gets you brownie-points from town. It was mostly left alone until he brought it up again, so I'm curious as to why he did so. He didn't contribute anything that hadn't been said already, so what's the motivation? I mostly see bad players and scum do this, and I don't consider WBG to be a bad player.
This is one of the weakest accusations I have ever seen, it's almost as if he's really not trying to step on any toes, while spreading around a ton of mistrust by detracting players. He has also conveniently completely skipped me and you, which is of particular interest because we've played so many games with him that I would think he'd look at our performance early. I guess he can hide behind our lack of content. But yeah, I would be fine with lynching Wiggles today.
I skipped you two, because I was talking about the people who posted reactions to my first post. You two weren't part of that. Also, my post was to look at how people were playing. None of them (Besides WBG a little) were acting overtly scummy, but they were acting in a way that seemed townie but had to be followed through with correctly in order to not just be scum trying to slip by.
Take Erandor and Meapak_Ziphh right now.
Erandorr was posting generic "townie advice", that is ok, but needs to be backed by actual analysis and thoughts on other players. So far, he hasn't really done that, besides defending hiro from WBG (Even though he thinks he's scummy, wth?). He's not actually giving us concrete information. You can't call someone town based on generic advice, even though he's stated that's his goal for the early game, to establish himself as town. This is exactly what I said he'd do as scum, because it's easy to post about being pro-town, and not easy to come up with good analysis.
Meapak_Ziphh on the other hand, has shown that he's definitely scummy. He was trying to play the hyper-aggressive townie, but he hasn't played his role quite well enough. Notice that he makes aggressive moves towards multiple players in a short period of time, before settling on hiro. This is enough to establish himself as "scumhunting", but then he never follows up. There's barely any additional pressure on hiro after his vote, he doesn't try to convince anyone else in the town to vote for hiro, he doesn't respond to what I said about him, and he basically disappears from the thread. This is incredibly scummy, and contrary to everything a townie should be doing after early aggression.
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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It's interesting that you go for Meapak_Ziphh. I'm not sure how to react to that, because while what you're saying is true, I still have a leaning town read on Meapak. This difference is probably because we put different value in his words. I really do think that he is actively pushing this lynch, but I'm willing to reconsider.
I still want to hear sandroba's thoughts on meapak.
I don't like your response in general, I wonder how you would have posted if we didn't put any pressure on you, because it looks like you're actually pushing a lynch now, but I'm trying to figure out how you're pushing it.
I guess I'll sit around a bit. I want more meapak and sandroba posts.
Actually, I also want more WBG posts.
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H/o I read Wiggles's post but I don't have time to respond adequately ATM.
Palmar if you'd like you can go ahead and ask me anything you'd like and I'll do my best to answer when I'm back.
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Vote Count
Wiggles (3)
Erandorr
Palmer
prplhz
wherebugsgo (2)
jaybrundage
hiro protagonist
hiro protagonist (2)
Meapak_Ziphh
Wherebugsgo
Meapak_Ziphh (1)
Mr Wiggles
sandroba has not voted
Since there are 9 people, 5 votes are needed to reach majority
Day ends in about 9 hours
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On November 17 2011 01:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
H/o I read Wiggles's post but I don't have time to respond adequately ATM.
Palmar if you'd like you can go ahead and ask me anything you'd like and I'll do my best to answer when I'm back.
I have three questions, and hopefully you will be able to provide a good and detailed answer to each one.
a) What do you think of Wiggles, do you agree he is a good lynch for today?
b) What do you think of Meapak, he has very conflicting opinions about him.
c) Do you still think Hiro is the best lynch we have today?
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Well this is an interesting time for everyone to disappear ^.^
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I'm still around, for like 2-3 more hours until I need to sleep.
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So Wiggles, please show me where I "make multiple aggressive moves towards people before settling on hiro." Your whole little case against me is essentially a rehash of what hiro wrote. It was bad when hiro wrote it and it's bad now.
Still, I don't think Wiggles is the best lynch for today. The case against Wiggles started when sandroba decided to start playing the game. Palmar jumped on board and those two got things started. Now the case isn't completely baseless. I've seen Wiggles play third party and scum and his current play does smell suspiciously like that. However I'd rather lynch hiro, who's scummy behavior has only increased since last time I brought him up. Notice that since the case against Wiggles was brought up, hiro has posted ZERO times. This is a huge scumtell in that once the pressure's off he goes back to lurking. A townie would still be contributing, however a mafia would want to get out of the discussion as soon as the pressure is off.
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tl;dr: Wiggles has acted scummy but hiro has acted waay scummier.
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Palmar and Erandorr where did you guys go?
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im reading the all the posts right now might take me a while still 3 pages behind
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EPT
