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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:42 FirmTofu wrote: So yeah, if I had a shot right now, I'd shoot Zaragon. Marv, you need anything from me? Rayn, scum or nay? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
The parenthetical aside isn't something town would do. Town is more likely to believe their actions even to the point of fault. Only scum uses fallback options to justify their actions. This is simply untrue. I do this kinda thing as town pretty regularly. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Koshi, you need to understand that Chairman Ray voting for you had -- and shouldn't have -- nothing to do with my vote on him. I don't make connection cases pre-flip, there was a possibility that he is scum and you are town, he was my second top scumread. Therefore i voted for him. Mocsta is right in what he says about me, i hold you (Koshi) up to higher standards that you showed us on D1. From your N1 posting you look better. You are not giving a fuck what anyone thinks, you are voicing your opinion. That's not what you did on D1, you were giving bad reasons and instead of doing what you are doing now (being confident in yourself) you were more blendy and non-commital in your reads. Keep that up, makes me feel much better about you. Also your FT vote looks much better now given that CR flipped town (i still don't understand it though -- but overall it looks better as there is a fair chance FT is scum). I want to hear FT's reads too.. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
I'm null on rayn. There are some things he's done that I liked, but there is also a great absence of things that he could have done that he hasn't done. For rayn, he is posting in unnaturally low quantities. When that happens, rayn usually flips scum. However, in this game, rayn has been actively pursuing reads like he usually does as town. I remember a few exchanges he's had with a few people that made me think he was standard town rayn. Of course, he could be deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that. I'm still hazy on his alignment. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't make connection cases pre-flip, Come now rayn. Come now. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On September 23 2013 18:29 Mocsta wrote: sentinel is a great vig shot to that guy went from policy lynching ?kush to policy lynching umasi. useless I never even voted for kush and my vote on Umasi wasn't policy at all. If you're going to accuse me, at least do your homework. Anyways, I'll catch up on thread when I get home | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:46 marvellosity wrote: Thing is, Firm, Zaragon *could* be mafia (I don't have a strong townread on him or anything), but: The parenthetical aside isn't something town would do. Town is more likely to believe their actions even to the point of fault. Only scum uses fallback options to justify their actions. This is simply untrue. I do this kinda thing as town pretty regularly. Of course he could be mafia. Anyone can be mafia. What I'm saying is that out of the 29 people still alive, he's the most likely to be mafia. If you have a disagreement with that statement, you can bring it up. On that note, who is your strongest scumread right now, marv? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: CR i am disappoint son.. ffs. Koshi, you need to understand that Chairman Ray voting for you had -- and shouldn't have -- nothing to do with my vote on him. I don't make connection cases pre-flip, there was a possibility that he is scum and you are town, he was my second top scumread. Therefore i voted for him. Mocsta is right in what he says about me, i hold you (Koshi) up to higher standards that you showed us on D1. From your N1 posting you look better. You are not giving a fuck what anyone thinks, you are voicing your opinion. That's not what you did on D1, you were giving bad reasons and instead of doing what you are doing now (being confident in yourself) you were more blendy and non-commital in your reads. Keep that up, makes me feel much better about you. Also your FT vote looks much better now given that CR flipped town (i still don't understand it though -- but overall it looks better as there is a fair chance FT is scum). I want to hear FT's reads too.. That's all fine and dandy. But you went in a tunnel and never came out. Didn't even bother commenting on anything else. So nha, I was easy pickings for you to tunnel and as scum I can completely see you doing just that. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:48 geript wrote: Oh to have an extra bullet. I'd shoot FT for these piles of bs. Just use the first one. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:49 FirmTofu wrote: Of course he could be mafia. Anyone can be mafia. What I'm saying is that out of the 29 people still alive, he's the most likely to be mafia. If you have a disagreement with that statement, you can bring it up. On that note, who is your strongest scumread right now, marv? This is not the point I was making. The point I was making is that your entire case is built on a premise that I think is basically false. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You are talking about Desert i assume?  That was to convince the townto lynch you over a confirmed scum because you are far more valuable to the scumteam. I don't do it on D1, when there are no flips. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are talking about Desert i assume? That was to convince the townto lynch you over a confirmed scum because you are far more valuable to the scumteam. I don't do it on D1, when there are no flips. No, I'm talking about that game I was town and you tunnelled me relentlessly as part of a 3-man scumteam you'd made up before any of them had flipped. That game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:49 Koshi wrote: That's all fine and dandy. But you went in a tunnel and never came out. Didn't even bother commenting on anything else. So nha, I was easy pickings for you to tunnel and as scum I can completely see you doing just that. I commented in a lot ot other stuff. Then i watched what was happening, tried to convince people to lynch my target, then fell asleep. Yes i did tunnel you, i admit that. But that's what i do. I tunnel the person i think is most likely flip scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:51 marvellosity wrote: No, I'm talking about that game I was town and you tunnelled me relentlessly as part of a 3-man scumteam you'd made up before any of them had flipped. That game. What was that game? I assume it was a long time ago as i don't remember doing that for a long time (as it's stupid). | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On September 23 2013 19:50 marvellosity wrote: This is not the point I was making. The point I was making is that your entire case is built on a premise that I think is basically false. I was definitely generalizing to what I believe to be proper townplay vs proper scumplay. As this is a game of probability, I'm working with probabilities. "Town is more likely to believe their actions even to the point of fault." "Only scum uses fallback options to justify their actions." These are statements dependent on implied probabilities. Granted, I may not have used the best choice of words(see: Only), but I believe that both of these statements are true in the majority of cases. They may not be true for you, but that is not a damning argument in and of itself. While you may not fit the mold, I believe most players do. You are only one statistic and cannot single-handedly refute my argument with only the evidence of your own play to back you up. | ||
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