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zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
May 19 2009 20:27 GMT
#181
I hope the town will appreciate the information I'm disclosing to you all. I'm willing to share my thoughts publically to keep everyone informed, and I hope to hear opinions from you all on my findings.

A comeback seems improbable now for me, but I hope you all can reconsider me for Mayor. Again my platform is on page 8 if you haven't read it yet.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 19 2009 20:28 GMT
#182
Shikyo wrote:
About multiple people claiming to have saved A, we don't necessarily have to kill all those people.

Yes, we do. Read my posts again. Same reason that if a Vigi claims a hit we have to lynch the Vigi afterward if we want to believe him.

Pawsom wrote:
Just a thought, if we get a succesful towny identification through a medic save, could the medic saving him go ahead and role claim, and then call for another medic to protect him, while he continues to protect the player he saved?

No. We need to confirm the role of the medic, so we have to lynch the medic.

In general public roleclaiming is not helpful for the town since we gain nothing from it until we confirm whether you're being truthful. The only surefire way to do that (unless we have a confirmed towny ... and in this case public roleclaiming is just giving the mafia extra information we don't want them to have anyway) is to have the player roleclaiming die. The mafia, on the other hand, benefit from public roleclaiming immediately.

Anyway I think for the remainder of the day we should focus on the candidates. Whoever gets elected can start planning tonight in case we end up with a successful save.

---

I like JeeJee's post giving advice. Nothing in it (I skimmed most of it, admittedly) seems off-base to me. I'm trusting on his experience and his activity and going to vote for him. His advice for the mafia is particularly strong and I advise all the reds to follow it

One thing I would add--DO NOT ROLECLAIM TO ANYONE unless you have a very good reason for doing so. Most especially, do not just roleclaim to an elected role because they got elected. This very much includes the bodyguards--see what happened on night 1 in Mafia VIII for why.
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Jimtudor
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada259 Posts
May 19 2009 20:36 GMT
#183
On May 20 2009 05:17 BWdero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 05:08 Jimtudor wrote:
As of now, the day 1 lynch will be an inactive or de facto inactive player. The one with the strongest logical clues towards it and/or inconsistent behaviour from previous games will get lynched. I am not sure about Jayme yet. Will be back with more.

The way I use my following votes will be both clue based and behaviour based depending on the strength of the evidence with that particular vote. My votes should align mostly with the general sentiment of the town unless I sense a bs/bandwgon vote led by mafia.


Any chance on you telling us which name you sent to Pyhrry? Or haven't you done that yet?


No, I haven't. I got a timetable from Pyrr that I need to send it in before 8PST. I won't miss it and I will tell once I made a decision.
Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
May 19 2009 20:39 GMT
#184
Ok, i'm sorry I have been inactive. Finals are coming up and I have not found the one to read through all the pages. However I plan on doing that today.

Some things I've noticed in this new mafia game. 1. Since most of the players, me included, are still quite new to the game, I've noticed that many have nothing in their public profiles. In a mafia game, this is a really bad thing since clues pointing to said person must be name based. I will attempt to complie a list later of people with blank public profiles. And 2. Pyrr's writing seems to contain more obvious clues than the last couple games. Off my first read, I think that the referece to decaf coffee and drumsticks is a clue DTs ought to look into.
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teks
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway263 Posts
May 19 2009 20:46 GMT
#185
On May 20 2009 05:28 crate wrote:
Show nested quote +
Shikyo wrote:
About multiple people claiming to have saved A, we don't necessarily have to kill all those people.

Yes, we do. Read my posts again. Same reason that if a Vigi claims a hit we have to lynch the Vigi afterward if we want to believe him.


Really? If the Vigi hits a red we know it's a vigi hit, and if he told 3-4 people via PM before he did the hit they can confirm his story. We would have a confirmed townie then. Unless you believe that the mafia would risk 3-4 of their members to backup one person in order to get to the confirmed townie position, only to be revealed by a DT or a clue? Problem is, of course, if he doesn't hit a red. He can do the same thing, revealing himself and calling for the support of the receivers of his PM, but he would be no more useful than any other townie.

I'd also like the candidates to start figuring out who they are going to lynch. Props to zeks on this part, I agree on your choice, but it doesn't seem that you are the one getting to execute it. I do hope that the other candidates reads it and considers it as well though.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
May 19 2009 20:49 GMT
#186
The recent streak of votes for jimtudor cause me to raise an eyebrow when I look at their history and the lack of jimtudor's posts lately. One that I find particularly striking is Phelix. Firstly, he has made 3 posts; the first to discourage clue analysis of day1, and the second and third to do the clue analysis he so dislikes. Moreover, it's 'analysis' designed to confuse townies rather than help them. For instance, look at this paragraph in his latest post:
I've been trying to find the link with decaffeinated coffee with a drumstick, since that's a pretty strong hint, but nothing says it in their profiles or their usernames.


It has already been mentioned in this very thread, multiple times, that this is a running joke among the game hosts and decafchicken's history in mafia. Moreover, it's a well-known fact if you had played or read the previous games. So what's the point of posting this, aside from hoping misinformed/new townies start climbing up the wrong tree? (same question goes to you, raxor2)

Also, I'll address this earlier post made by jimtudor:
Jeejee, I had an eye on you ever since my preliminary clue search but these are so weak that I wanted to wait for one more day and wasn't putting it out. Now, after the echo chamber that you had with ilovektf and quiet support makes me more skeptical.

Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow.

Fear is the strongest driving force in competition. Not fear of one's opponent, but of the skill and high standard he represents; fear, too, of not acquitting oneself well. In the achievement of higher performances, of beating formidable rivals, the athlete defeats fear and conquers himself. -Franz Stampfl

Your profile contains pretty much the only reference to athletic competition in the whole game. Franz Stampfl was a famous coach that had somewhat revolutionary ideas for how to train your body and practice for your sport, although he specialized in training runners he also trained other athletes in other fields. He was a noted olympic trainer, got his trainees many golds. The only place where archery is relevant today is athletic competition and the olympics.


I find it interesting that you mention stampfl being the only reference to any athletic competition in this game when your very name is that of a hockey player (a traditionally fast sport). Obviously it's not even close to being a good mafia link, I just wanted to point out the convenient omission on your part.

Moreover, you didn't even state any strategy you would follow as sheriff/mayor or comment on any outlined plans in the thread so far. A good townie should always be reading and trying to figure out holes in potential plans, as well as pointing them out, something you have failed to do.

This bring me to my final point -- I'm sorely disappointed that nobody jumped on my mistake in my analysis of roles. In particular, I have completely ommitted the possibility of godfather when describing what DTs should do if they r/c someone. Obviously they should never reveal their role no matter what the other person flips as, due to gf being in the game.
Why was this not brought up? It tells me that either the people who are actively posting (and therefore reading) in the thread either a) aren't careful or b) didn't want to point it out.

Comments?

Oh and finally, given that the mayor race is still pretty close, I fully agree with zeks' reasoning for the first lynch choice being therapy:
I choose therapy.

Justification on therapy:
His one post:


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Hi guys, just chiming in here so I don't get killed for inactiveness. This is my first mafia game besides playing with about 15 friends around 2 years ago so I'm probably not going to be saying anything too profound. I haven't really been swayed by any of the potential sheriff's speech's so far, they sound reasonably intelligent but don't state anything that's beyond just general knowledge or logic. If I dunno who to vote for should I just abstain or should I take a shot in the dark?
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The majority of us have agreed to lynch an inactive for first lynch, and the whole purpose of his one post is so that he won't be on the chopping block for this lynch. It is because of this that makes me suspicious of him. He may have posted once, so it looks like he's better than the ones that haven't posted, but I think his post was as good as nothing. Furthermore, his profile has pretty much one thing to relate clues to: the quote: "Let's start a revolution so I can break some shit." I am linking this to the last part of day 1:

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Without warning, his windshield shattered and a wave of glass ripped through LTT's face. Passing out from blood loss, LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time.
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This isn't the strongest clue, but the links are:
"break some shit" -> "windshield shattered and a wave of glass..."
"start a revolution" -> "sounding a horn"

So because of those two counts and the majority of us wanting to lynch an inactive, I would thus lynch therapy if I were to be elected mayor.


(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 19 2009 20:56 GMT
#187
On May 20 2009 05:46 teks wrote:
Show nested quote +
crate wrote:
snip stuff about Vigi lynching

Really? If the Vigi hits a red we know it's a vigi hit, and if he told 3-4 people via PM before he did the hit they can confirm his story. We would have a confirmed townie then.

I wasn't talking about the scenario you are talking about here at all.
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teks
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway263 Posts
May 19 2009 20:59 GMT
#188
On May 20 2009 05:56 crate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 05:46 teks wrote:
crate wrote:
snip stuff about Vigi lynching

Really? If the Vigi hits a red we know it's a vigi hit, and if he told 3-4 people via PM before he did the hit they can confirm his story. We would have a confirmed townie then.

I wasn't talking about the scenario you are talking about here at all.


Oh, my bad then. I'll go back and view your posts one more time.
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 19 2009 21:01 GMT
#189
On May 20 2009 05:49 JeeJee wrote:
The recent streak of votes for jimtudor cause me to raise an eyebrow when I look at their history and the lack of jimtudor's posts lately.


That's what I thought too when I looked at the vote results so far, but it might be too soon to point fingers at people. However it's definitely something to watch out for.


Oh and finally, given that the mayor race is still pretty close, I fully agree with zeks' reasoning for the first lynch choice being therapy:
Show nested quote +
I choose therapy.

Justification on therapy:
His one post:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi guys, just chiming in here so I don't get killed for inactiveness. This is my first mafia game besides playing with about 15 friends around 2 years ago so I'm probably not going to be saying anything too profound. I haven't really been swayed by any of the potential sheriff's speech's so far, they sound reasonably intelligent but don't state anything that's beyond just general knowledge or logic. If I dunno who to vote for should I just abstain or should I take a shot in the dark?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



The majority of us have agreed to lynch an inactive for first lynch, and the whole purpose of his one post is so that he won't be on the chopping block for this lynch. It is because of this that makes me suspicious of him. He may have posted once, so it looks like he's better than the ones that haven't posted, but I think his post was as good as nothing. Furthermore, his profile has pretty much one thing to relate clues to: the quote: "Let's start a revolution so I can break some shit." I am linking this to the last part of day 1:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Without warning, his windshield shattered and a wave of glass ripped through LTT's face. Passing out from blood loss, LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



This isn't the strongest clue, but the links are:
"break some shit" -> "windshield shattered and a wave of glass..."
"start a revolution" -> "sounding a horn"

So because of those two counts and the majority of us wanting to lynch an inactive, I would thus lynch therapy if I were to be elected mayor.




I also think it's a good idea to lynch the inactives (especially someone who posted just so he's not inactive) because they wouldn't be any help to the town even if they turned out to be blue or green.
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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
May 19 2009 21:03 GMT
#190
There are 7 mafia in this game. So far JeeJee is in second place with only 6 votes and Jimtudor is in third with 5 votes. I'm almost 100% sure one of the two is a mafia member and that the people voting for him are mafia. Of the two I believe JimTudor is more suspicious because most of his voters have been mostly inactive. I strongly encourage abstaintees to vote or mafia may elect a mayor with their 7 man voting power.
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teks
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway263 Posts
May 19 2009 21:08 GMT
#191
On May 20 2009 06:03 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
There are 7 mafia in this game. So far JeeJee is in second place with only 6 votes and Jimtudor is in third with 5 votes. I'm almost 100% sure one of the two is a mafia member and that the people voting for him are mafia. Of the two I believe JimTudor is more suspicious because most of his voters have been mostly inactive. I strongly encourage abstaintees to vote or mafia may elect a mayor with their 7 man voting power.


I'm thinking the same thing. I first thought the mafia candidate was JeeJee, seeing how he was voted on by Jayme and iLoveKTF who already had connections to the possible clues, and BWdero, who was suspected by Shikyo. The latest posts from JeeJee have turned me though, I too think it's probably JimTudor who's the red one here, I might change my vote to JeeJee seeing how Shikyo basically already has secured his spot, and I think it's good that JeeJee agrees with zeks on who to lynch first. I'll wait a bit longer though.
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 19 2009 21:11 GMT
#192
On May 20 2009 06:08 teks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 06:03 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
There are 7 mafia in this game. So far JeeJee is in second place with only 6 votes and Jimtudor is in third with 5 votes. I'm almost 100% sure one of the two is a mafia member and that the people voting for him are mafia. Of the two I believe JimTudor is more suspicious because most of his voters have been mostly inactive. I strongly encourage abstaintees to vote or mafia may elect a mayor with their 7 man voting power.


I'm thinking the same thing. I first thought the mafia candidate was JeeJee, seeing how he was voted on by Jayme and iLoveKTF who already had connections to the possible clues, and BWdero, who was suspected by Shikyo. The latest posts from JeeJee have turned me though, I too think it's probably JimTudor who's the red one here, I might change my vote to JeeJee seeing how Shikyo basically already has secured his spot, and I think it's good that JeeJee agrees with zeks on who to lynch first. I'll wait a bit longer though.


How do you think we should carry out the check on Jimtudor after JeeJee gets the mayor spot? He should definitely be checked out, but I don't know with what method. Lynch him? Role check him?
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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
May 19 2009 21:14 GMT
#193
Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 19 2009 21:16 GMT
#194
Lynching Jimtudor so quickly seems a bad idea to me. If he's not red, we lose an active towny who's definitely contributing. Sure, if he is red, we win by lynching him--but if he stays active we'll get a better feel for him; if he goes inactive, that's putting up a big suspicious flag too.
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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
May 19 2009 21:18 GMT
#195
Here is the list of ppl with blank public profiles and no quotes (and thus require clues that are based completely on their names).

1. Pawsom
2. Foolishness
3. Shiyko
4. The Master
5. EsbenPM (his quote is "hi")
6. Knutti
7. Koopie
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 19 2009 21:20 GMT
#196
On May 20 2009 06:14 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election.


So you want to lynch a voter for both JeeJee and Jimtudor, regardless of who wins?
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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
May 19 2009 21:22 GMT
#197
On May 20 2009 06:20 l10f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 06:14 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election.


So you want to lynch a voter for both JeeJee and Jimtudor, regardless of who wins?


No im saying depending on who won, we can lynch one of their voters, and if he flips up red, we can be suspicious of the new mayor.
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zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
May 19 2009 21:25 GMT
#198
I suggest that as soon as DTs are allowed to act, we should start checking clues on the people who voted for Tudor (making the Tudor list).

I don't necessarily think Tudor is red at this point since I can't connect really any clues to him (I don't understand his quote, and his name is apparently a name of a hockey player), and his actions haven't really been too suspicious.

I'm also not completely 100% sold on JeeJee's alignment, but right now my gut feeling tells me to trust him over Tudor.

The mayor role has quite the big effect with the 3 votes, and in tight voting races it could really sway the result.

From the looks of this JeeJee will become mayor, and I hope you decide to go with the lynch of therapy.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
May 19 2009 21:28 GMT
#199
On May 20 2009 06:22 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2009 06:20 l10f wrote:
On May 20 2009 06:14 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Role checks cannot be done night 1, and if Tudor is elected, we can no longer role check him. The same goes for JeeJee. However, if we are able to lynch one of his voters and he flips red, i think lynching him would be a smart move. Again, this can also be applied if JeeJee wins the election.


So you want to lynch a voter for both JeeJee and Jimtudor, regardless of who wins?


No im saying depending on who won, we can lynch one of their voters, and if he flips up red, we can be suspicious of the new mayor.


If the right clues connect to one of the voters then yes; so I believe my suggestion of checking the voters first should be valid.

We shouldn't be lynching just a random person off the list.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
Jank
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States308 Posts
May 19 2009 21:33 GMT
#200
well, definitely not voting for jeejee or zeks then >_> lol. But seriously, I didn't have anything of value to say but I know I'm supposed to be active so I posted anyways, guess that was a mistake? My sig hardly has any connection to the clue, what does a sarcastic punk quip have to do with honking a horn? With zeks and jeejee's recent decisions to gang up on me I'm changing my vote from abstain to Shikyo
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