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On October 13 2011 13:06 Zealo wrote: my favourite stream by far, watching protech has made 2v2 my favourite format. huge respect for this guy.
is there anywhere to see the vods of PTSL2 games with powertech voice chat?
protechsc2.com
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I am a big fan of 2v2 so its great to see a streamer at ProTech's level. I even enjoy the occasional 1.6 when he is waiting for a match.
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Hmm I don't think this guys stream should be featured on Team Liquid.
He is blatantly racist and calls people the " N " word while streaming on this site. And calls people " f*cking f*ags" when he loses.
I don't condone any sort of racism, that is just offensive and wrong.
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Not only that, he accuses many people who beat him of stream cheating, and while he may certainly fall prey to cheaters occasionally, to call someone who doesn't a cheater to >200 viewers is unfair as they have no way to defend themselves against the accusations.
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On October 21 2011 12:59 hipsterHobbit wrote: Not only that, he accuses many people who beat him of stream cheating, and while he may certainly fall prey to cheaters occasionally, to call someone who doesn't a cheater to >200 viewers is unfair as they have no way to defend themselves against the accusations.
This is the first time that I'm looking through this thread but it's clear that you have a personal vendetta against Protech. If you have such a problem, then why do you even bother to come in here?
TLers, if you really want to post something negative but it doesn't really need to be said THEN JUST DON'T POST.
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On October 21 2011 13:28 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 12:59 hipsterHobbit wrote: Not only that, he accuses many people who beat him of stream cheating, and while he may certainly fall prey to cheaters occasionally, to call someone who doesn't a cheater to >200 viewers is unfair as they have no way to defend themselves against the accusations. This is the first time that I'm looking through this thread but it's clear that you have a personal vendetta against Protech. If you have such a problem, then why do you even bother to come in here? TLers, if you really want to post something negative but it doesn't really need to be said THEN JUST DON'T POST.
It is called community feed back. This is a web site dedicated to a Starcraft 2 team and a Community Forum
An online forum in which people express their opinions... Thank-You
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On October 21 2011 13:36 CHOMPMannER wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 13:28 kingjames01 wrote:On October 21 2011 12:59 hipsterHobbit wrote: Not only that, he accuses many people who beat him of stream cheating, and while he may certainly fall prey to cheaters occasionally, to call someone who doesn't a cheater to >200 viewers is unfair as they have no way to defend themselves against the accusations. This is the first time that I'm looking through this thread but it's clear that you have a personal vendetta against Protech. If you have such a problem, then why do you even bother to come in here? TLers, if you really want to post something negative but it doesn't really need to be said THEN JUST DON'T POST. It is called community feed back. This is a web site dedicated to a Starcraft 2 team and a Community ForumAn online forum in which people express their opinions... Thank-You
Opinions are fine, but forums are characterized by DISCUSSION and DEBATE. There are many examples of negative comments that are posted around TL that are not designed to allow for a continued discussion. Those have no place in... (um... what did you call it? Oh right.)
On October 21 2011 13:36 CHOMPMannER wrote: a Community Forum
Thank-You
Your comment is a good one because you allow room for agreement or dissent. The person I quoted above does not.
If hipsterHobbit has an issue with ProTech, then he should converse in PM. His behaviour is the internet equivalent of sitting outside of a business and telling everyone not to go in because he had a bad experience.
Since that is the case, then he should express his thoughts in privacy and as I said JUST DON'T POST.
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On October 21 2011 13:28 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 12:59 hipsterHobbit wrote: Not only that, he accuses many people who beat him of stream cheating, and while he may certainly fall prey to cheaters occasionally, to call someone who doesn't a cheater to >200 viewers is unfair as they have no way to defend themselves against the accusations. This is the first time that I'm looking through this thread but it's clear that you have a personal vendetta against Protech. If you have such a problem, then why do you even bother to come in here? TLers, if you really want to post something negative but it doesn't really need to be said THEN JUST DON'T POST. How is what I said negative?
I'm sick of being called a cheater to a large audience with no way to defend myself when I'm NOT, never have been, and never will be.
As for a "vendetta"... Would you just take getting slandered as no big deal? I like playing starcraft, and I care about my reputation to an extent. So what?
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On October 21 2011 14:21 hipsterHobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 13:28 kingjames01 wrote:On October 21 2011 12:59 hipsterHobbit wrote: Not only that, he accuses many people who beat him of stream cheating, and while he may certainly fall prey to cheaters occasionally, to call someone who doesn't a cheater to >200 viewers is unfair as they have no way to defend themselves against the accusations. This is the first time that I'm looking through this thread but it's clear that you have a personal vendetta against Protech. If you have such a problem, then why do you even bother to come in here? TLers, if you really want to post something negative but it doesn't really need to be said THEN JUST DON'T POST. How is what I said negative? I'm sick of being called a cheater to a large audience with no way to defend myself when I'm NOT, never have been, and never will be. As for a "vendetta"... Would you just take getting slandered as no big deal? I like playing starcraft, and I care about my reputation to an extent. So what?
That's not the point. You said your piece. Fine, I believe you. You're not a hacker. (Ironically, I would never even have known about you hacking against ProTech if you hadn't posted in here.)
However, you already defended yourself. By continuing to post your grievances, you are now acting petty.
Suppose that every time someone talks to you, a stranger pops out of the shadows and denounces you. That would reflect poorly on you, yeah, but it would make that stranger look awfully stupid...
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yes, how ironic
I'm not going to argue with you. You just changed the entire crux of your argument, and personally, I don't care about your opinion either way.
I just hope someone of importance on the TL staff takes note of this and if they feel it is unfair as I (and probably many others who don't speak up) do and they take appropriate action.
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On October 21 2011 14:43 hipsterHobbit wrote: yes, how ironic
I'm not going to argue with you. You just changed the entire crux of your argument, and personally, I don't care about your opinion either way.
I just hope someone of importance on the TL staff takes note of this and if they feel it is unfair as I (and probably many others who don't speak up) do and they take appropriate action.
Since you continue to frequent this thread, clearly, at personal angst and pain, you must have a vested interest for doing so. I understand that you feel that you received unfair treatment from this streamer. I also understand that you feel that you are entitled to some remediation. However, if you felt that you received unfair service at a restaurant, you would speak to the staff. You would not sit outside and tell everyone your story. You would not call the police to apply sanctions.
What do you think TeamLiquid should do for you here? Why don't you just contact ProTech and have him recant his statement? He probably just said it in the heat of the moment. Passionate people playing a passionate game are going to make passionate remarks.
To summarize my points which have NOT changed:
- I noticed that you have a problem with ProTech.
- I noticed that you have repeated an earlier post (when it wasn't directly referenced or necessary to do so) in order to somehow further legitimize your concern.
- I point out that if it bothers you so much then don't come in here and read.
- I still maintain that if you have a problem, then settle it in PM land.
Finally, it really is ironic if you objectively think about it. It's also kind of humourous. Here, let me summarize this as well:
- ProTech accuses you of cheating.
- You feel that your online reputation is at stake so you defend yourself so that everyone will cease to associate cheating with your SCII account.
- Me, as a first time browser of this particular thread, happen to read your post and have never heard of you before, now knows that ProTech called you a hacker.
BOOM. IRONY.
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ironically, by posting in his stream thread you are giving him free advertising. if you dont like his stream, just dont watch it and ignore him.
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He's intentionally making his allies lose because he's having a bad night.
Featured 2v2 streamer.
more like featured bad attitude
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I wasn't watching until the end but from what I saw aiproclan is getting queued with protech consistently and he isn't doing anything so the other team can win. protech is trying to get #1 RT in world but since proclan has #1 RT atm on euro server he's making protech lose games on purpose so he can maintain his rank. Thats the reason why he's playing counterstrike atm and not SC2
Of course he would have #1 RT or be much closer to it if it werent for the fact you teamkilled him like 20 times in a row a few weeks ago (of which protech saved replays to send to Blizzard)
Oh and mannerchomp, you're hardly a moral authority on anything mr comes in streamchat and tells me about how he steals empty kegs from brewery on graville island to sell on craigslist and is now being hunted down by that company
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On October 21 2011 12:48 CHOMPMannER wrote: Hmm I don't think this guys stream should be featured on Team Liquid.
He is blatantly racist and calls people the " N " word while streaming on this site. And calls people " f*cking f*ags" when he loses.
I don't condone any sort of racism, that is just offensive and wrong.
There's a little button you click upon entering my stream " This stream contains inappropriate material for minors, by clicking i am 18 years of age or older you understand that you're 18 years of age or older. "
not exactly, but the point is this stream is not for 15 year olds sorry if you can't handle the language.
you are also guilty of the same thing aiproclan was doing. so don't flood my thread with your nonsense.
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On October 22 2011 12:54 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 12:48 CHOMPMannER wrote: Hmm I don't think this guys stream should be featured on Team Liquid.
He is blatantly racist and calls people the " N " word while streaming on this site. And calls people " f*cking f*ags" when he loses.
I don't condone any sort of racism, that is just offensive and wrong. There's a little button you click upon entering my stream " This stream contains inappropriate material for minors, by clicking i am 18 years of age or older you understand that you're 18 years of age or older. " not exactly, but the point is this stream is not for 15 year olds sorry if you can't handle the language. you are also guilty of the same thing aiproclan was doing. so don't flood my thread with your nonsense.
Yeah by clicking that I expect to see explicit language, not racism Mr. Mike
Racism like any other form of bigotry and oppression is absolutely wrong because it denigrates and dehumanizes people. Every creature on this planet has the inalienable right to be treated with dignity. No person or group has the right to proclaim social superiority over any other. It is absolutely wrong /unjust for any person or group to vilify, oppress, persecute and terrorize others for their selfish amusement or aggrandizement. Its socially unacceptable.
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On October 22 2011 12:51 CHOMPMannER wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 12:38 askTeivospy wrote:I wasn't watching until the end but from what I saw aiproclan is getting queued with protech consistently and he isn't doing anything so the other team can win. protech is trying to get #1 RT in world but since proclan has #1 RT atm on euro server he's making protech lose games on purpose so he can maintain his rank. Thats the reason why he's playing counterstrike atm and not SC2 Of course he would have #1 RT or be much closer to it if it werent for the fact you teamkilled him like 20 times in a row a few weeks ago (of which protech saved replays to send to Blizzard) Oh and mannerchomp, you're hardly a moral authority on anything mr comes in streamchat and tells me about how he steals empty kegs from brewery on graville island to sell on craigslist and is now being hunted down by that company Anyone with a brain bigger than a pea knows protech is a baby... and by you believing everything he says means you got the dumb bro
Since you like screenshots why dont you go take screenshots of the army graph of the last 20 games protech played with aiproclan and try to photoshop it so it looks like aiproclan was actually making army. then come in this thread and claim protech is teamkilling his teammates on stream while he's trying to rank up in RT ladder
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On October 22 2011 13:06 askTeivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 12:51 CHOMPMannER wrote:On October 22 2011 12:38 askTeivospy wrote:I wasn't watching until the end but from what I saw aiproclan is getting queued with protech consistently and he isn't doing anything so the other team can win. protech is trying to get #1 RT in world but since proclan has #1 RT atm on euro server he's making protech lose games on purpose so he can maintain his rank. Thats the reason why he's playing counterstrike atm and not SC2 Of course he would have #1 RT or be much closer to it if it werent for the fact you teamkilled him like 20 times in a row a few weeks ago (of which protech saved replays to send to Blizzard) Oh and mannerchomp, you're hardly a moral authority on anything mr comes in streamchat and tells me about how he steals empty kegs from brewery on graville island to sell on craigslist and is now being hunted down by that company Anyone with a brain bigger than a pea knows protech is a baby... and by you believing everything he says means you got the dumb bro Since you like screenshots why dont you go take screenshots of the army graph of the last 20 games protech played with aiproclan and try to photoshop it so it looks like aiproclan was actually making army. then come in this thread and claim protech is teamkilling his teammates on stream while he's trying to rank up in RT ladder
Hmm I see nothing wrong with the way AIProClan was playing he is the #1 Ranked RT player in the world and is just trying new builds.
Every player has the right in which to play the game how he/she wants to play, and it is not up to you to determine if he is playing wrong or not.
I saw him trying mass Raven strategies, which there is nothing wrong with trying new things since the 2v2 META game hasn't really changed since the new maps came out.
Maybe go read the EULA before you determine what is right or wrong.
BTW Teivo I am interested to know what league you are in? Since you believe everything Protech says about stream cheaters and what not... I guess your knowledge and game sense is not very high... No Offence.
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