On August 20 2010 04:18 Nopenopenope3 wrote: Here we go again with the ad hominem, completely ignore my argument and call us trolls anyways
I didn't call YOU a troll, I said very specifically the "videos made by trolls". Guilty conscience much?
If you really didn't care what people thought you wouldn't have argued with youtubers for almost an hour yesterday on your stream. We wouldn't even be arguing now if you didn't care.
Publicity is publicity - I didn't argue with anyone, I was bumping the video a bit to get more exposure. People watch my stream for a variety of reasons, whether it is me raging, me losing, me winning, or the chat. I personally don't care what you think or what anyone else thinks. I am not the one who asked for or requested that the posters of the images and links in this thread get banned, I didn't care that they were here. Fact is the more people talk about my stream, the more popular it becomes. Where that popularity comes from - 'lol look at this horrible player' or 'lol this bitch is good' - doesn't matter a shit to me.
On August 20 2010 03:34 Catreina wrote: Now, back on topic - what did you think of my failmode run yesterday, where I won what, 2 out of 12 1v1 games?
We are still on topic this is still about you and the stream.[/QUOTE]
Way to dodge the question and keep the thread derailed.
Finally, back a little to your post:
Let me explain to you how a debate(argument) works: A side presents an argument and reasoning to support it. The other side positive or negative will provide their own logic and reasoning to refute the other sides. You rarely refute anything I present you with and just resort to the ad hominem which makes me think you are simply avoiding it.(though in your defense the reply before this one wasn't ad hominem)
I didn't realize that MY stream and chat was a place for YOU to debate anything. This isn't a fucking democracy. There is no freedom of anything in the stream, on these forums, on my website, or anywhere else on the internet for that matter. Your "logic and reasoning" is flawed, because it is taken out of context. My "rebuttals" of your flawed logic and reasoning is going to seem baseless to you because you fail to realize that none of it matters.
You claim we would not be "arguing" now if I didn't care. You are, again, misinformed about what is happening here. You dodge bans because you do not agree with the reasons for the ban on a site that you break the rules on. You then state that you will continue to dodge bans because you do not agree. What I care about is people staying on topic and contributing to the thread, which is about my stream. MY stream.
On August 19 2010 08:00 nopenopenope wrote: Incredibly poor player that is very bitter when she loses(resorting to calling players cheaters when it's very clear they aren't). Obviously cannot handle negative attention/feedback please don't feed this crap guys.
You call me an "incredibly poor player" - obviously wrong considering I have stayed in diamond since July 29, hovering around the 30-60 mark.
You say I am "very bitter" when I lose - who isn't, when they lose to stupid shit? I rage because I lose, not because the other player won.
You say I "obviously cannot handle negative attention" - funny that. There once was a rumor that I was transgender... with a shitload of negative connotations. Negative attention I believe, that I confirmed and continue to confirm now, giving me even more negative attention.
Finally, you also state that I cannot handle negative feedback. I AM A BAD PLAYER. I have said that since I started playing SC2. People think I say it to prompt the "no you aren't" comments, but ffs, watch my stream, I am really not all that great. Negative feedback is most prevalent from myself.
As a point of fact - who do YOU know that is not upset even a little when they lose? I do knot know ANYONE who is HAPPY when they lose games.
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote: I didn't call YOU a troll, I said very specifically the "videos made by trolls". Guilty conscience much?
You use the word so much it's hard to tell.
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote:Publicity is publicity - I didn't argue with anyone, I was bumping the video a bit to get more exposure.
You and everyone here knows that is a horrible excuse, not only were you pissed off but you were also getting into arguments in the comments section. Also I highly doubt you didn't know commenting on a video doesn't "bump" it. The video would have gotten tons of exposure even if you had ignored it.
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote:Way to dodge the question and keep the thread derailed.
What question? I'm pretty sure you don't value my thoughts on your losing streak.
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote:My "rebuttals" of your flawed logic and reasoning is going to seem baseless to you because you fail to realize that none of it matters
More ad hominems, Not only is this a personal insult it's also a huge informal fallacy and unrealistic. Stop making filler.
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote:You dodge bans because you do not agree with the reasons for the ban on a site that you break the rules on. You then state that you will continue to dodge bans because you do not agree. What I care about is people staying on topic and contributing to the thread, which is about my stream. MY stream.
At this point you are just mining for quotes. Actually the reason I dodged them is because I am not breaking any of the posted rules I looked at them before posting and I haven't broken them yet beyond the second post(which was because I was banned without warning and without reason.) If you are going to say I'm breaking the rules at least provide some evidence.
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote: You call me an "incredibly poor player" - obviously wrong considering I have stayed in diamond since July 29, hovering around the 30-60 mark.
Playing for a long time does not make you a good player, the game has just launched and there is tons of new players to create filler(which can allow a bad player to hold diamond).
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote: You say I am "very bitter" when I lose - who isn't, when they lose to stupid shit? I rage because I lose, not because the other player won.
I lose to cheese every now and then but I don't curse them out call them cheaters and send them hateful pms and on top of all that challenge them again. in-fact in the video you can see where you are trying to rationalize the loss by saying he didn't see your probe(He did).
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote: Finally, you also state that I cannot handle negative feedback. I AM A BAD PLAYER. I have said that since I started playing SC2. People think I say it to prompt the "no you aren't" comments, but ffs, watch my stream, I am really not all that great. Negative feedback is most prevalent from myself.
Simply saying you are a bad player doesn't mean you can handle it, you can try and rationalize this all you want but it doesn't mean you are handling it correctly. I don't consider flinging insults like an ape handling the attention well. You can say "well this is to get more attention", that isn't a good excuse bad attention isn't good it will just cause you more pain in the long run as it starts to pile up.
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote: As a point of fact - who do YOU know that is not upset even a little when they lose? I do knot know ANYONE who is HAPPY when they lose games.
It's okay to be a little upset about a loss nobody likes to lose. However there is a fine line between a little upset and flat out raging. Not only did you keep challenging them but you also insulted them while doing so, why?
The "I do this for publicity" argument is weak and old, stop lying to yourself and walk it off because it is clear that you DO care.
On August 20 2010 04:37 Catreina wrote:My "rebuttals" of your flawed logic and reasoning is going to seem baseless to you because you fail to realize that none of it matters
More ad hominems, Not only is this a personal insult it's also a huge informal fallacy and unrealistic. Stop making filler.
This is an ad hominem? REALLY? You should re-investigate what ad hominem attacks are, this is not one. You will likely claim this response is also ad-hominem, because that seems to be your "generic" response now.
On August 20 2010 04:58 Nopenopenope3 wrote: At this point you are just mining for quotes. Actually the reason I dodged them is because I am not breaking any of the posted rules I looked at them before posting and I haven't broken them yet beyond the second post(which was because I was banned without warning and without reason.) If you are going to say I'm breaking the rules at least provide some evidence.
I do not need to say you are or are not breaking rules - that is not my job. If you were banned, then the admins had reason for it. Take it up with them.
On August 20 2010 04:58 Nopenopenope3 wrote: Playing for a long time does not make you a good player, the game has just launched and there is tons of new players to create filler(which can allow a bad player to hold diamond).
This must explain why better players are stuck in platinum too, right? Because it is a new game? Why havent I been moved down to plat yet? why do I have a > 50% win ratio? I suppose you saying that "filler" is why I am in diamond is "evidence" of me being bad, yes?
On August 20 2010 04:58 Nopenopenope3 wrote: I lose to cheese every now and then but I don't curse them out call them cheaters and send them hateful pms and on top of all that challenge them again. in-fact in the video you can see where you are trying to rationalize the loss by saying he didn't see your probe(He did).
I NEVER said he didnt see my probe. I DID say he never scouted, and knew nothing of where I was in any way - even the single stalker he saw retreating gave no direct indication of WHERE my base was. Secondly, I didnt "challenge" him in the first place. He challenged me. AND he asked for the second game. Point of fact - he was something like 15-19 in Bronze... me saying he is a bad player IS TRUTH.
On August 20 2010 04:58 Nopenopenope3 wrote: Simply saying you are a bad player doesn't mean you can handle it, you can try and rationalize this all you want but it doesn't mean you are handling it correctly. I don't consider flinging insults like an ape handling the attention well. You can say "well this is to get more attention", that isn't a good excuse bad attention isn't good it will just cause you more pain in the long run as it starts to pile up.
That is your opinion.
On August 20 2010 04:58 Nopenopenope3 wrote: It's okay to be a little upset about a loss nobody likes to lose. However there is a fine line between a little upset and flat out raging. Not only did you keep challenging them but you also insulted them while doing so, why?
The "I do this for publicity" argument is weak and old, stop lying to yourself and walk it off because it is clear that you DO care.
It is clear that YOU THINK I care. when I am raging on stream, and then laughing my ass off about the entire thing (like I am now about your attempts to point out the "fact" that I must care).
Does my raging make you mad? Does it bring out the troll in you? Does it make you laugh? Does it give you entertainment?
On August 20 2010 05:19 Catreina wrote:This is an ad hominem? REALLY? You should re-investigate what ad hominem attacks are, this is not one. You will likely claim this response is also ad-hominem, because that seems to be your "generic" response now.
On August 20 2010 05:19 Catreina wrote:This must explain why better players are stuck in platinum too, right? Because it is a new game? Why havent I been moved down to plat yet? why do I have a > 50% win ratio? I suppose you saying that "filler" is why I am in diamond is "evidence" of me being bad, yes?
You seem to have completely misunderstood what I said, that or you are just dense. There are enough bad/new players who get placed into diamond which allow bad players to stay in it, thus the 50% win ratio. In one or two years our diamond league players will be plat or silver and our plat will be silver or bronze. The game is young and people are still learning.
On August 20 2010 05:19 Catreina wrote: I NEVER said he didnt see my probe. I DID say he never scouted, and knew nothing of where I was in any way - even the single stalker he saw retreating gave no direct indication of WHERE my base was. Secondly, I didnt "challenge" him in the first place. He challenged me. AND he asked for the second game. Point of fact - he was something like 15-19 in Bronze... me saying he is a bad player IS TRUTH.
Just seeing probe or stalker location can be enough to guess where their base is, you should know this. Why would you retreat a stalker away from your base?
On August 20 2010 05:19 Catreina wrote: It is clear that YOU THINK I care. when I am raging on stream, and then laughing my ass off about the entire thing (like I am now about your attempts to point out the "fact" that I must care).
That is you trying to rationalize the whole thing, continue lying to yourself no skin off my bones. Restating the same thing over and over again is getting old and reading your posts is mind numbing, i'm done.
From that link: "insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to invalidate their argument"
The quote you said was ad hominem was neither insulting nor belittling you. It was stating that your logic is flawed, because you fail to see that none of what was being talked about matters. - Retake your elementary school language comprehension courses.
You seem to have completely misunderstood what I said, that or you are just dense. There are enough bad/new players who get placed into diamond which allow bad players to stay in it, thus the 50% win ratio. In one or two years our diamond league players will be plat or silver and our plat will be silver or bronze. The game is young and people are still learning.
90% or so of all diamond players are 50-60% win ratio. I suggest you get some more facts to try and dispute that I am not actually good, or that I should be lower than diamond. One or two years from now is not now, and has no bearing (real or imagined) on what is -right now-
Just seeing probe or stalker location can be enough to guess where their base is, you should know this. Why would you retreat a stalker away from your base?
Sure, just seeing a probe -can- be enough. However, seeing a probe leaving a base at the same time as your probe is heading to that base? Dont think so. Seeing a stalker retreat in a generic direction that was not directly to a base? Dont think so.
As for retreating a stalker away from your base - proxy pylons? Reinforcements? MISDIRECTION?
That is you trying to rationalize the whole thing, continue lying to yourself no skin off my bones. Restating the same thing over and over again is getting old and reading your posts is mind numbing, i'm done.
So you can't win an argument with false claims and being called out on your erroneous statements, so you resort to a fallacy of your own (I cannot remember the actual type) to close your argument. How quaint. I hope you are done, because derailing the thread has gone on for far too long.
I just dropped by to say that I find the blind accusations of cheating / ghosting pretty offensive. But the video was still pretty funny anyway, so thanks for linking it!
Hi, just dropping by after watching I'm a former Inter from various RTS games and I can't believe how a serious clan provides shelter to a player like Catreina. I know and heard a lot of drama in the scene (even in my Clan), but this was so ridiculous we laughed tears. Please, tell me you keep her in your clan as a clown and mascot and not because she is a girl. I can hardly image anyone who wants to play serious with a bad sport like her.
I am in a clan now? This is news to me. I suppose being a member of various forums makes me a member of their gaming clans and guilds. So that means I am a member of Vodka, Ensidia, Uprising, Team Liquid, and countless other clans and guilds because I post on their forums.
On August 21 2010 03:10 Vitacia wrote: So, basicly, I just don't understand how someone like you is being tolerated :/
Being tolerated by whom, you? No one is being forced to watch my stream or read my thread or respond to my posts. People watch because of many reasons, one of which is my very often over-the-top rage. Are these people "tolerating" my "episodes?"
On August 21 2010 03:10 Vitacia wrote: So, basicly, I just don't understand how someone like you is being tolerated :/
Being tolerated by whom, you? No one is being forced to watch my stream or read my thread or respond to my posts. People watch because of many reasons, one of which is my very often over-the-top rage. Are these people "tolerating" my "episodes?"
you rage at people for glhf'ing at the start of the game. people watch you because you're a pathetic joke(see clown). and most people arent watching you because of your "over the top rage" lol it's because you're a chick. don't kid yourself, your bm isn't funny and you arent a good player so what else do you have? your genitals making your voice high
that video is amazing, and the game on Kulas Ravine you were bringing your stalkers back to your base when the pylon was killed, he could have guessed from where it was retreating to where your base was
Yeah that video pretty much sums up the viewing experience. Calling people f***ing morons for offering suggestions, calling players bad despite having beat her (which would make you worse right?), rage, etc. On a sidenote, the music is tolerable.
Just finished watching her streams, and yeah it's getting ridiculous. It seems like when she wins a game, it's because she's good, but when she loses it's because the other player exploited the game or got lucky, and has nothing to do with the other players skill. I for one will stop watching her stream from now on, because I just can't stand to watch someone belittle another player for no reason. I'm sure she could care less if I watch, but I'm sure a lot of other viewers feel the same way.
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