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gTank
Austria2669 Posts
On June 28 2016 21:23 Aceace wrote: I put down our team. Cuz they deserved it. Fatih Terim deserved it. Seriously I think Turkey was the worst team in the tournament. Ahem... nope it was Austria for sure  ...  | ||
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Waterboarding
37 Posts
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gsgfdf
Greece2 Posts
Russia would disagree with both of you  | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 28 2016 21:36 Waterboarding wrote: On the bright side, i guess we can congratualte Clattenburg for refereeing the finals. Skomina is still in the race. They are almost even at most bookies. Also England fans are over their loss. | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On June 28 2016 19:06 Poopi wrote: The problem is right there. Each and every cup, be it Euro or Worlds, they are labelled as favorites. It's somewhat understandable in World Cups since they won one long ago, but their results are abysmal in Euro. The fact that their national league is good doesn't mean much since almost all the players from national teams come from good clubs as well. If they were seen as outsiders, they could probably deliver for once. Really though it's England's own fault - they themselves hype up the English team time and time and time again to no ends, with very little to base the hype on. This time around it was a little more justified I think based on the qualifiers, but usually England is blind hype every international tournament. My best example would be the BBC pre and post game commentary for the 2010 exit against Germany. It should have been clear to everyone at that point that Germany has a freaking strong team, yet they talk them down and hype up an English side with blatantly obvious flaws to an extend that just doens't make sense anymore - and can only set you up for disappointment. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On June 28 2016 20:45 Waterboarding wrote: And by the way can someone explain to me how it can be possible for a country like England to produce only goalies who are mediocre at best? You do not have to have like up to 6 very good goalies like the germans but the quality between english aluminum is meh² England has no tradition in sports where ball handling is required. Volleyball, Basketball, Handball - English national teams are abysmal in all of these games, while other European nations usually can compete in at least some of them. (cricket balls and handeggs are not comparable to a football) I think there might be a connection. | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On June 28 2016 19:15 OtherWorld wrote: I just like to see good football (France hasn't produced that so far), and I'm annoyed at how overmediatized they are compared to the Hand/Basket/Volleyball teams and to other great teams that are in this Euro. you can't blame the french football team to be overmediatized since it's the biggest sport out there, specially during the euro happening in france | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7437 Posts
On June 29 2016 00:05 Aceace wrote: Germans aren't that good at ball handling sports either. Nowitzki is an exception. But still Germany has soooo many good keepers. Well, our Handball team is pretty far up, I mean we are currently EU Champions  But i guess, it's got more to do with goalie training and education anyway. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 29 2016 00:05 Aceace wrote: Germans aren't that good at ball handling sports either. Nowitzki is an exception. But still Germany has soooo many good keepers. 3 times world champion in Handball, including 2007, twice european champion (including this year...) Yeah. really not that good. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 29 2016 00:19 mahrgell wrote: 3 times world champion in Handball, including 2007, twice european champion (including this year...) Yeah. really not that good. Also current beach volleyball olympic champions (men). | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
This also means that kids feel like being a goalie is cool, they have idols to look up to. Now look at England. The goalie is always the asshole. Not sure how you convince any talented kid to put himself between the posts. And even if you do... there are no real idols, most of English goalies are more known for their comedy acts than for their goalkeeping. | ||
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two_sheds
Croatia104 Posts
On June 29 2016 00:24 mahrgell wrote: But yeah, I also think it is more about the training, and also the prestige. Basically in Germany we always had great goalies, everyone praised our goalies. This also means that kids feel like being a goalie is cool, they have idols to look up to. Now look at England. The goalie is always the asshole. Not sure how you convince any talented kid to put himself between the posts. And even if you do... there are no real idols, most of English goalies are more known for their comedy acts than for their goalkeeping. Peter Shilton was rly good and David Seaman was a solid goalkeeper. After Seaman, there was a black hole when it comes to goalkeepers, but then Hart ended that period. I would say that England's biggest problem is lack of good manager/lack of individual tactical education. Football thats being played in PL is attractive and enjoyable to watch, but it lacks tactical depth to compete with the rest of the Europe. Alex Ferguson is a big exception here, and if England was smart, they should have based their national team on 90s ManU and the work of Sir Alex. Every other CL success from 90s to present day came from foreign manager/foreign players. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
RIP Pande | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 29 2016 00:07 Makro wrote: you can't blame the french football team to be overmediatized since it's the biggest sport out there, specially during the euro happening in france I don't blame the French football team because they are overmediatized, that's indeed not their fault. However, the earlier they lose, the less media attention they get, so there's that. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28916 Posts
On June 29 2016 01:26 two_sheds wrote: Peter Shilton was rly good and David Seaman was a solid goalkeeper. After Seaman, there was a black hole when it comes to goalkeepers, but then Hart ended that period. I would say that England's biggest problem is lack of good manager/lack of individual tactical education. Football thats being played in PL is attractive and enjoyable to watch, but it lacks tactical depth to compete with the rest of the Europe. Alex Ferguson is a big exception here, and if England was smart, they should have based their national team on 90s ManU and the work of Sir Alex. Every other CL success from 90s to present day came from foreign manager/foreign players. this is dead on imo | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13430 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6325 Posts
On June 28 2016 18:57 mahrgell wrote: Hey, they qualified! Unlike Netherlands 2016, or England themselves 2008. How can losing in the knockout phase be worse than not evn qualifiying 8 years ago? And their past groupstage failures were not that much better: 88: 4th, 0 points. Opponents: Ireland, Netherlands, SU 92: 4th, 2 points. Opponents: Sweden, Denmark, France (France was also eliminated in that group) 00: 3rd, 3 points. Opponents Portugal, Romania, Germany (Germany finished the group 4th with 1 points, England lost to POR and ROM) We at least performed last 2 world cups (finals and semi fknals). England is always terrible. That 88 group was pretty insane. Netherlands and sovjet union were both finalists. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
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Grettin
42417 Posts
Pande :--( | ||
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