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[TSL] Semifinal Recap and Interviews

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[TSL] Semifinal Recap and Interviews

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May 11th, 2011 18:44 GMT
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TSL3 Semifinals Recap
by Lovedrop & Heyoka


One week down, one to go. TSL finished two semifinal matches this past weekend, giving us our final matches and bringing us that much closer to crowning the Pokerstrategy.com TSL3 champion. The games were awesome, perhaps "awesome to the max", with particular awesomeness being displayed in the games between Kas and Thorzain.

As you may have seen, our two finalists have arrived in NYC to begin their road to the live finals on Sunday. They have a short trip ahead of them and just a few days until our live final games on Sunday, so read on to see what they did last weekend and find out whats in store for next!

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Battle Reports


[image loading] (T)Empire.Kas < 1-4 > [image loading] (T)mouz.ThorZaIN
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T7 (T)Empire.Kas < Shakuras Plateau > (T)mouz.ThorZaIN T1

Both of our European Terrans build their first marine and then attach a tech lab, with Kas choosing a reaper with ThorZaIN opting for a marauder instead. ThorZaIN heads over to Kas’ main with one of each tier 1 barracks unit, expanding and adding on additional barracks behind it. Kas is forced to pull SCVs, and ThorZaIN snaps three SCV necks and with his last breath, the marauder sees Kas’ cloaked banshee on the way. The banshee does little to no economic damage to ThorZaIN, but it does prevent him from moving out and putting pressure on Kas’s newly expansion. ThorZaIN’s marine picks off the SCV building Kas’s third command center, and delays it just enough for his third to go up first.

Kas has been repeatedly swinging his whole army between bases, leaving his main undefended and vulnerable to ThorZaIN’s octodrop. ThorZaIN picks up his army next to the bottom Xel’Naga Tower and unloads them on the high ground, and while Kas responds the minute the red blips show up on his sensor tower, what’s left of the drop makes life for Kas much more difficult by picking off important add-ons. Kas attempts to counter drop but runs into a line of turrets at ThorZaIN’s up and running fourth base.

Down 50 supply and a base, Kas is breaking down the northern rocks for a backdoor entrance into ThorZaIN’s main. At the same time, ThorZaIN had loaded up four medivacs full of units head in the same direction, and they are picked off, instantly evening the supply. However, ThorZaIN is reassured that there would be little forces in the front of Kas’s base, and attacks in with the rest of his army sitting in the middle of the map. While neither player are particularly cost effective with their attacks, Kas is stopped dead in his tracks as ThorZaIN sieges his own tanks in the main, but on the other side of the map, ThorZaIN has free reign on each of Kas’s expansions. ThorZaIN’s defensive units chase after Kas through the top passageway, and ThorZaIN stims in with marines in the middle, pincering Kas and forcing him to tap out. [23:48]

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T7 (T)Empire.Kas < Crossfire SE > (T)mouz.ThorZaIN T1

Kas only grabs his gas after he has thrown down a command center, while ThorZaIN slowly techs up to the familiar 1/1/1, pausing only to build his own command center. ThorZaIN pushes out as his first medivac is done, and losing the Xel’Naga Tower triggers Kas to bunker up his natural. Kas tries to pick off ThorZaIN’s oncoming stream of marines, but ThorZaIN does a quick turn around with his main army to clear out any nuisance in the back. Stim and siege mode both will finish first for ThorZaIN, and Kas is put in a small contain.

While distracting Kas with a backdoor octodrop, ThorZaIN builds turrets north of Kas’ main, and expands to 11 o’ clock. When Kas has grabbed air dominance with vikings, ThorZaIN pulls back to the bottom Xel’Naga Tower, nullifying all advantage given by Kas’ vikings. Kas tries to flank ThorZaIN’s main army, but a scan reveals his intentions and with no defenses at the Ukrainian's front, ThorZaIN storms in to take a two game lead. [18:31]

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T6 (T)Empire.Kas < Metalopolis > (T)mouz.ThorZaIN T8

Kas picks up 4 kills from his initial reaper, keeping ThorZaIN inside his base and preventing Kas’ FE from being discovered. ThorZaIN makes a CC of his own and Kas’ reaper just barely misses the factory/starport combo at the bottom of ThorZaIN’s base. ThorZaIN’s cloakless banshee does minimal damage, and now ThorZaIN’s expansion is way behind. Kas capitalizes on this blunder by putting down his third seconds after ThorZaIN lands the CC at his natural. Kas surges forward with almost double the amount of marines. Staying low on tech allows Kas to grab his marine upgrades much faster, and with stim kicking in mid-battle, Kas clears out ThorZaIN’s mineral line afterwards.

Both players trade an octodrop. Neither does any damage, but they serve as a potential threat, driving the need to construct lines of turrets on both ends. Kas almost picks off a CC floating to the 3rd, but the timely response of ThorZaIN prevents disaster. Kas and ThorZaIN demonstrate to the viewers why this was a mirror match-up, as both players load up 4 medivacs simultaneously and head towards each other’s main. However, a Kas scan prompted ThorZaIN to change his mind, and by unloading his units earlier, ThorZaIN was able to pick off most of Kas’s drop. Both players bring the remnants of their armies to the middle, and a siege stand-off ensues.

Kas circles around the other lane to try and deal damage to ThorZaIN’s third, and ThorZaIN over-commits to his defense. Kas smells the weakness in ThorZaIN’s front line and breaks through with 2/2 marines, not letting his macro slip as he takes a 30 supply lead. Kas’s army cruises into ThorZaIN’s natural, and a siege below the ramp disables any reinforcing units to help out, leaving nothing but ThorZaIN’s generous compliment to his competitor as he exits game 3. [19:59]

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T6 (T)Empire.Kas < Terminus RE > (T)mouz.ThorZaIN T3

Kas had already suspected ThorZaIN of doing a strong harass upon seeing the starport with his reaper, but a hero scan hellions lined up alongside the starport for an eventual deadly drop. ThorZaIN circles around and drops the three hellions in the main instead, but does a pitiful job at slowing down Kas’s economy, trading all of his hellions for 2 SCVs and 3 marines. Knowing that he is behind, ThorZaIN slyly grabs a quick third, as it is his best bet to overtake Kas in supply. Rather than taking the third that neighbors ThorZaIN, Kas sneaks a CC atop the 11 o’clock expansion.

Kas’s slow saturation of his third allows ThorZaIN’s macro off of three bases kick in, pulling ahead in both army and SCV count. While Kas is slowly inching forward to prevent ThorZaIN from grabbing additional bases, 4 medivacs full of marines are tearing through his backdoor and natural expansion. Unable to pull back in time, Kas resigns without hesitation. [19:47]

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T5 (T)Empire.Kas < Crevasse > (T)mouz.ThorZaIN T11

Both players go gas-less for quick CC, with Kas adding on barracks before grabbing gas and ThorZaIN the contrary. While ThorZaIN is clumping a mass of marines in the middle, Kas is producing units out of three barracks, thus ending up with more marines but without their essential upgrades. Although Kas has already saturated his third before ThorZaIN’s CC is even done, it is ThorZaIN who is ahead in worker count. Kas’s octodrop is cleaned up promptly without difficulty for ThorZaIN. Kas consistently stays a base ahead of ThorZaIN, and while ThorZaIN doubles up on his drop play, it too does not damage the economy of Kas much.

Both players are sitting on a low number of tanks, and are just simply clashing heads with pure marines. Kas engages with a more favorable marine count, but a nice arc and +2/+2 allows ThorZaIN to come out victorious. Winning the battle does not allow ThorZaIN to move forward however, as a planetary fortress melts through the remaining marines and tanks. Kas recollects his army and shuts down ThorZaIN’s second advancement, pushing ThorZaIN all the way back to his own fourth, forcing the liftoff. Kas greedily tries to finish off the CC, but is unable, and the overextension cost him a decent amount of marines.

ThorZaIN’s superior upgrades allow him to break the contain and push Kas back but this time he wisely chooses to stay put instead of recklessly charging forward. ThorZaIN puts a single tank next to the Xel’Naga Tower, putting Kas’s fourth under siege. Kas swings around the map, breaking down rocks in order to snipe ThorZaIN’s fourth, but is met behind the debris by a larger army of ThorZaIN. Kas streams forward to break ThorZaIN’s middle containment. Coming out with a few marines left over, ThorZaIN picks them up to drop on top of Kas’s tanks, but Kas responds swiftly and unsieges to avoid catastrophic friendly fire.

ThorZaIN loads up for a doom drop with three medivacs full of marines, unloading in the main to cut off Kas’s reinforcements. Kas pulls back too many troops to defend, and it is the opportune moment for ThorZaIN to claim that ticket to New York City. SCV meatshields shatter upon tank shell impacts but they are necessary sacrifices, as their deaths allow ThorZaIN’s marines and tanks to deal their DPS without taking damage. The break left ThorZaIN losing in food count, but in prime sieged position to take down Kas’s fourth. Kas counterattacks from the northern path, but his time spent breaking down the debris allowed ThorZaIN to properly erect a solid defensive wall of tanks.

ThorZaIN runs Kas in circles sieging both the fourth and the sixth base at the near bottom, and eventually is able to stop mining at both bases. With all his mining bases under siege or being tear apart, Kas’s last ditch effort to break the middle goes down in vain, and ThorZaIN grabs his passport and carries Kas’s warm encouragement on to our TSL3 finals. [27:49]

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P9 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Terminus RE > (P)mouz.HasuObs P12

HasuObs begins the series by making 3 gateways and a robotics facility, while Naniwa chooses a blink build, making his Twilight Council after 2 gateways before adding a third gateway. As soon as blink researched finishes, Naniwa moves out with his force of stalkers and picks off a stray unit of HasuObs.

When he arrives at Hasu's main, the first immortal is ready and Nani finds himself unable to get over forcefields that protect the ramp. When a second immortal shows himself, Naniwa is forced to retreat temporarily. Naniwa adds a robotics facility back at home while keeping Hasu stuck in his base, Hasu meanwhile starts to produce colossus.

Naniwa adds a slew of zealots to his arsenal and busts out the charge upgrade. When he spots that Hasu is warping in a nexus at his natural expansion, he readies an attack and rallies his units. The ensuing engagement is a bit of a hit and run with Naniwa attempting to flank HasuObs, but finds himself unable to do so as Hasu hugs the wall. The game is over when Hasu crushes the opposing army with few losses. [15:54]

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P6 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Metalopolis > (P)mouz.HasuObs P12

Game 2 opens in a more traditional manner: Naniwa makes 4 gates and chronos his warpgate research, while HasuObs chooses to use his chrono on stalkers from 2 gates, adding the third shortly thereafter.

When Naniwa's army comes bellowing, Hasu blocks his ramp by making 2 gateways at the top. It buys some time, but not enough and Hasu finds himself short of units as Naniwa's army attacks. He micros well for several minutes before being forced to tap out. [8:41]

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P7 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Shakuras Plateau > (P)mouz.HasuObs P2

Naniwa decides to repeat his build, and open game 3 with a 4 gate as well. HasuObs has other plans, however, making a forge after core and placing cannons in front of his natural. 4 cannons appears to not be enough. Naniwa charges in with a handful of stalkers/zealots and kills the smaller army of HasuObs, then simply walks around the cannons and into Hasu's main.

Hasu pushes back death with a cannon in his main, aggressive probe defense, and a spare stalker here and there but he loses about half his workers in the process. Naniwa pulls the same trick at the front a second time, killing Hasu's ground forces while ignoring the cannons and then walking into the main. When he is able to kill the pylon powering the cannons Hasu recognizes the game is over and sends a GG. [10:47]

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P2 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > (P)mouz.HasuObs P7

Nani decides to shake things up in the fourth game, sending his first probe to the bottom of the map to build a pylon in Hasu's natural. He then uses that pylon to build a gateway at 9 supply, using his chronoboost on a zealot as soon as it is finished.

Hasu is forced to chrono a zealot as well, in addition to building a forge and a cannon near his nexus. The first 3 zealots do very little damage, Nani kills a pair of probes before being chased out by opposing zealots. HasuObs builds a pylon just outside Nani's main ramp and begins to cannon, while Naniwa adds 4 gateways.

Naniwa kills the cannon outside his base before it is finished, and when his first round of units warp in and walk to the main base of Hasu, Hasu calls GG. [7:51]

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P5 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Crevasse > (P)mouz.HasuObs P2

HasuObs finally decides to take a page from Naniwa's book, and opens the potential match point game with a 4 gate. Maybe unfortunately for him, Naniwa chooses to do the same. The first skirmish sees Hasu comes out slightly on top, and be ever so thinly ahead in the important stalker count.

As things die down, Hasu ventures outside his base to and succeeds in killing one of Naniwa's proxy pylons while adding a robotics facility. It turns into a mistake when Nani catches him out of position and gets several stalkers for free.

Now ahead in the stalker count, Nani continues to put on pressure by killing the front rocks and widening the choke to Hasu's main. When Naniwa marches into the main of HasuObs not even a freshly build immortal can stop him, and the series goes to Naniwa. [10:23]

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Post-game Interview


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Q: Congratulations! What did you do right after you win?

At first I didn't realize that when I won that game I won the entire series (I knew it before the game but when I won I just reacted as if it was a normal ladder game). After a few seconds I realized what had just happened. I went to the living room to tell my mother and sister that I'm going to USA in 1 week. This may sound a bit lame but then I went back to my room and shed a tear or two of joy. :D

Now I'm just sipping my coke, enjoying life. :D

Q: Kas was considered one of the best TvT players and your TvT was your weakest matchup. How much did you practice?

To be honest I didn't practice very much for this match due to a lot of other stuff I had to do. But the practice I did do was extremely effective. I found several big flaws in my TvT play and now I feel comfortable in the match up.

Q: How many games did you play?

Maybe 6-7 games a day versus real persons and 4-5 versus no one just to optimize build orders and check timings.

Compared to the maybe 15-20 and 8-10 games respectively I did for previous 3 rounds, on average.

Lets talk about the games a little. Game 1 you did some damage with a unique little 1 marine 1 marauder 1 reaper opening, and then slowly took the lead by defending against banshees.

I was expecting him to do the build he did against NaDa on the same map. 1 marine, 1 reaper, and then no more units for 75 in-game seconds. My little push would have done a lot of damage then, and still get my expansion up at the same time. I did however still do damage to him but my multitasking was lacking a bit and his reaper delayed my expansion by quite some time.

From there on it turned into one of the fun TvTs without camping and just running around a lot and dropping.

Q: In game 1 you were quite ahead but lost 4 dropships at 12:00 when his army was there. What went through your mind then?

I still thought that I was ahead but I realized what a mistake I just did. I counterattacked and knew that he would have problems getting up the choke in my main.

Q: In game 2, you opened banshee and secured a nice position with drops. A lot of fans say Kas' strength is his macro and game sense, were you scared at all to play a macro game against him? What was your strategy heading into game 2 (and the series)?

My 2nd game I wanted to do a new build I've been experimenting with that gets an expansion 20 seconds after a 1 rax tech lab expand but I still get a fast 1-1-1 and the capability of a lot of fast units after I've thrown down my expand. I expected it to work well vs him.

However he did a 0 gas expand that I didn't expect him to do on such a small map. It still worked out great though.

Q: You lost game 3 on Metalopolis, which was a bit back and forth. What happened? Do you usually get nervous or change your mindset after losses or wins? Do you feel that being up 2-0 helped you a lot?

I had a really bad start, with his reaper just barely surviving and then me having to wait a while for more marines. That made me not have enough marines to stop his stim push a bit later and that cost me a lot of scvs.

From there on I needed to take risks to come back but I wasn't able to. I was behind in upgrades as well.

Q: Do you usually get nervous or change your mindset after losses or wins?

I try not to, that's why I needed pauses between the games to refocus. I'm always nervous before the games, but I don't think it hurts me, it makes me more focused.

But I have to go pee between every game basically. :D

Q: Game 4 on Terminus had interesting positions. Would you rather be in those positions or where Kas was (relative to you)?

I would rather have been where he was relative to me. I fucked up in the start and thought I was dead, but he took a really really late third vs my fast third. I went into defensive mode and was able to push out a bit because he didn't siege up by my Xel'Naga tower.

Q: Game 5 was quite an epic game, you went for fast upgrades but slower bases while Kas went for more bases early on. It was quite back and forth, both of you taking the lead, but you slowly came out on top. What were your thoughts during the game?

I was expecting Kas to go very marine heavy, so I decided to really out-upgrade him. I didn't know that he took so fast bases though so I was a bit surprised by that. I thought I had the game a lot of times and that I had lost it at others.

In the end I managed to get the most favourable positions and could see his attacks from the Xel'Naga Towers and manage to win.

Q: Your next opponent is a Protoss, either Naniwa or HasuObs, what are your thoughts on these two? Do you have a preference about who to play?

I still feel great against protoss and I feel that I have reasonable chances against both. I think that Naniwa is the better player but just by a bit. I feel HasuObs is a bit like me in this tournament; A player that has been the underdog in every game he has played but still wins them all rather convincingly. So I don't know what to expect.

I think that the general consensus is that Naniwa is the better player but just by a bit.

Q: Do you have any last words (thanks to practice partners) or shoutouts to your fans?

Thanks to my team Praetoriani for super support, thanks to aU.Fury (norwegian Fury), Predy, SjoW, merz and Servyoa for the practice. Thanks to Team Liquid for giving me this opportunity, you don't know how much this tournament has meant and still means for me.

Q: You play a fellow Swede, Naniwa, in the finals. What are your thoughts about him? You will meet him in New York.

I'm proud to have two swedes in the final of such a prestigious tournament. Naniwa is a great player, and I think we know each other's styles somewhat decently, which makes the preparation a bit tricky.

I haven't really spoken to him IRL yet but I hope we will get along. I just hope he doesn't get too mad should I beat him. ^^


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Post-game Interview


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Q: Congratulations! How do you feel? What did you do after winning?

I feel fucking great, easily one of the best days of my life. I threw my hands in the air and shouted like I do after every big win. :D

Q: You are on quite a roll lately. Do you feel your motivation is still high to win events? Are you scared you'll become complacent after getting to so many finals?

I felt a bit down after I won MLG Dallas, but after a while I got tired of the MLG trophy to be honest, I like it and its a important part of my life but to be honest I really want to become the first bonjwa after some consideration. I want to show the world what I'm made off and prove to myself that I'm the best around.

Regarding complacency, I will always do my best to reassure my spot at the top, I will never take it for granted. I only feel more and more hungry after each big win, and I hope to surpass MC soon in winnings.

Q: How hard did you practice for this series?

I practiced a lot for the series but only used one of the builds I practiced (game 1) and the rest I just felt that I could out-micro HasuObs and take it for sure, strategies were not needed. I have a very weak understanding of PvP and for sure I will try to practice it more in the future. I also think the patch will help a lot.

Q: Let's talk about the games a little. You did a very fast blink / charge rush in game 1, but your positioning was off during the main attack. What happened?

To be honest I took a big gamble, I was sure he would try to attack me with his army and I just wanted to swiftly repel it but that was not the case, instead he chose to camp which only left me with one option - to attack. I think overall my gameplan was bad because its so hard to read PvP.

Q: In game 2 you just 4-gated and Hasu couldn't defend. Do you feel that you must 4-gate in PvP and chrono your warpgate research to win? Is there no other way in the current state pre-patch? specifically, is there no other way to play safely?

No, you can play like I did in game 1, but as I said my game understanding in the late game is very weak, with all the different tech paths and responses. I think if I chose robo instead of blink in that game I could for sure take it to a normal game every time every map except for perhaps Tal'Darim.

Q: In game 4 you went for a proxy but only built 1 gate. It was a smart mind game play, explain it.

When you play a best of 7 and you just beat your opponent with four gate twice, he will start to lose focus on some things, and you have to keep them wary off things like proxy gateways. One gate is certainly not all-in but a big investment, I saw that he scouted at around 12-13 so I knew I would get some guaranteed damage. I just did it to throw him off while he was already struggling in his mind.

Q: In game 3 he went for a forge cannon play, have you played against this before?

Never, I was taken by surprise but I quickly saw the weakness and acted on it. I think it was kind of a mistake on his side to not block it better. I simply took advantage of his mistake.

Q: The last game both of you went 4 gate but Hasu chose to get a robo and his immortal was not in time. How do you prefer to transition out of 4 gate?

If you do the 4 gate like I did, there is no safe transition. Its for sure all-in. I went for the most all-in type of 4 gate of all, not even bothering to play catch-up because the chances to win then are very slim. I was quite sure he would choose a tech path after a while because no one else I've seen has done what I did.

Q: Your opponent in the finals is going to be ThorZaIN, your fellow Swedish player. He has not won major tournaments yet, but he is rising in fame due to his big wins in TSL. What are your thoughts on him?

I have always known thorzain is a very good player, But he can't perform his utmost at LAN I think. It will be very exciting to play him no matter how it goes. I am very pleased with an all-Swedish final. ^_^

Q: Yes, he seems to be a player that does better when there is preparation and time between the matches, and that might be why he is doing well at TSL. How is your PvT lately?

Well, I rarely lose TvP but Kas / Thorzain are the people I find best in Europe at it. I think my TvP is topnotch, but with all the tournaments I have going on he might have the better end of it. He can examine how I play every tour with a million replays while I barely have anything of him except for vs Tyler & MC.

Q: Are you excited to go to New York City? Have you ever been there before?

I am actually extremely excited, my last visit to the US (Dallas) was obviously a blast. I am hoping to get an equal or even better experience going there . I've never been there!

Q: Any last words for practice partners or fans?

Big shoutouts to my team and teammates, shoutouts to teamliquid for hosting such a wonderful tournament. it has been an amazing journey, Thanks a lot to Bling / Sase / adel / Elfi who helped me practice and a huge shoutout to my fans thanks for giving me a extremely nice experience at MLG Dallas, I hope to show better games in the final than I did in this PvP.



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@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Neobick
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden208 Posts
May 11 2011 18:58 GMT
#2
Thorzain, you never cease to amaze me, so little practice, still able to top Kas. Showing some real skill. Lets win the final now, shall you?
Use the force.
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
May 11 2011 18:59 GMT
#3
Wooo been waiting for these, both seem confident going in, i wonder how the patch will effect them, my brain is shouting naniwa but my heart wants thorzain to win because of his story. Will be a great finals cant wait hypehype!
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
May 11 2011 19:01 GMT
#4
Awesome write-up! It's so cool to see how emotional these players got after their wins. I'm sure we're in for an extremely epic finals. GOGO THORZAIN!!
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Infernus
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway222 Posts
May 11 2011 19:02 GMT
#5
Cool seeing Fury practicing with Thorzain!

Really excited for the finals now )
sup ;o
LinYu)Fury
Profile Joined September 2003
Norway200 Posts
May 11 2011 19:07 GMT
#6
gogo! Thorzain 4-1
NorthernRiver
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden107 Posts
May 11 2011 19:14 GMT
#7
I just hope he doesn't get too mad should I beat him. ^^

Thorzain's so cute. You just want to hug him
“All that we are is the result of what we have thought."
Styxyts
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands16 Posts
May 11 2011 19:16 GMT
#8
I have lost SO MANY POINTS in liquibets because of ThorZaIN. This last match, I finally gave up and betted in favour of ThorZaIN^^
"...cause there is no reason not to." Catz
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
May 11 2011 19:17 GMT
#9
The last sentence of the Thorzain interview coupled with Naniwa's picture right after is priceless ^^
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Mulu731
Profile Joined July 2010
United States99 Posts
May 11 2011 19:20 GMT
#10
♥ Thorzain =]
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 19:30:19
May 11 2011 19:23 GMT
#11
YES!

It's finally up.

Edit: Wow Naniwa is such a baller lol. #1 player in world to come?
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
May 11 2011 19:41 GMT
#12
Nani!
Frostmister
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden77 Posts
May 11 2011 19:43 GMT
#13
Naniwa vs Thorzain!!!!!! .... Will Thorzain beat all the odds or will Naniwa stand victorious in yet another tournament??? Can't wait to see this!!!!!
"This matchup makes me wanna commit suicide" - Naniwa
Cuiu
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 19:46:11
May 11 2011 19:43 GMT
#14
why the loser never gets a interview -.-
2 sides of a story is better than one
Roberi
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden347 Posts
May 11 2011 19:48 GMT
#15
Now I'm just sipping my coke, enjoying life. :D


Indeed ThorZaIN, enjoy life but please beat NaNiwa!
A fan of ThorZaIN, MorroW, NaNiwa and SaSe. Sweden Fighting! /// @rob_eri
andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
May 11 2011 19:52 GMT
#16
i expect Nani to take this 4-2
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
May 11 2011 19:55 GMT
#17
"But I have to go pee between every game basically"

new nickname: Bathroom Terran
NotCptKirk
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 19:56:05
May 11 2011 19:55 GMT
#18
What a cool final it will be Two kinda different guys who are each really great in their own way.
Thorzain is still a little humble and quiet and Nani very ambitious but also he seems quite honest.

Not sure who I'd like to win, just hope both of them will have a blast in NYC!!!! <3
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 19:57:39
May 11 2011 19:56 GMT
#19
On May 12 2011 04:43 Cuiu wrote:
why the loser never gets a interview -.-
2 sides of a story is better than one


Please don't start the Naniwa - Hasu LR debate again!

I think Naniwa will take this convincinly purely because it'll be a LAN environment with spectators, and I don't think Thorzain is steady enough yet to handle the preassure, whereas Nani is probably cool as a cucumber at this point.
Naniwa fighting!
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
May 11 2011 19:58 GMT
#20
Gotta cheer for protoss even tho i don't like Naniwa for beating out my favorite.
Defiantly gonna be good games tho.
I wonder what we will see Naniwa do that MC could not
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
May 11 2011 19:58 GMT
#21
GL finalists
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 19:59:44
May 11 2011 19:59 GMT
#22
I really love Naniwa's ambitiousness and attitude. He isn't afraid of anyone!

Good luck in the finals(both).
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
EndOfTime88
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria259 Posts
May 11 2011 20:00 GMT
#23
ThorZaiN "Thanks to my team Praetoriani for super support" Ouch.

Can't wait for the finals ^^
"Time is what we want most,but what we use worst."-William Penn
asdd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
228 Posts
May 11 2011 20:01 GMT
#24
Omggg thorzain ftw!!
I
pHelix Equilibria
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1134 Posts
May 11 2011 20:04 GMT
#25
Great interviews!
I would expected Naniwa's response to
Q: Congratulations! How do you feel? What did you do after winning?
"It's okay."
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
May 11 2011 20:21 GMT
#26
Great interviews, thanks! I've decided to stick true to my former votes, where I've always voted on the other than Thorzain player, so go Naniwa, my liquibet depends on you! Also Naniwa is such a baller in interviews.
really?
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
May 11 2011 20:31 GMT
#27
This finals is going to be soooo good. I cannot wait.
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
May 11 2011 20:35 GMT
#28
Super pumped for these finals. Still trying to decide who to root for though, good luck to both players! Hopefully they have a lot of fun in New York too :D
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
Vortigan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark306 Posts
May 11 2011 20:36 GMT
#29
pretty excited to see how Thorzain will peform at a lan as well. Don't recall having seen him playing "offline" before
Zedex
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom310 Posts
May 11 2011 20:37 GMT
#30
Sipping coke enjoying life... that is the most godlike statement I have ever heard.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
phantem
Profile Joined September 2010
United States163 Posts
May 11 2011 20:39 GMT
#31
I'm hoping for a really close series so that neither player feels terrible at the party afterwards, I mean Thorzain can't even drink it off if he loses really bad. Plus close series between two great players is always awesome to watch
"At MLG Dallas, I got up, bitchslapped hot_bid and went back to bed."-Liquid`Jinro
Montezuma
Profile Joined April 2010
United States12 Posts
May 11 2011 20:51 GMT
#32
The TvTs were soooo much longer on average than the PvPs. I wonder if Naniwa can keep up with the best of 'em in a longer macro struggle. I think Thorzain will win given that he's shown us a lot of solid TvPs here in the TSL and without a major tournament win already, he'll want this one more. In contrast, we haven't seen much of Naniwa's PvT since Dallas, except for his match vs Goody. As a protoss player, I hope Naniwa takes it but I'm predicting ThorZain.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 21:03:52
May 11 2011 21:03 GMT
#33
its mouzThorZaIN now, might want to update OP? (in the post game interview section)
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
May 11 2011 21:03 GMT
#34
Naniwa will have Sjow and Select to practice with to train for ThorZaIN. It'll be tough though. If he beats ThorZaIN, it will be cool to see how MC responds.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
Shamrock_
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
South Africa276 Posts
May 11 2011 21:04 GMT
#35
I don't care who wins -- they both deserve it for some incredible play.
This is my rifle, this is my gun; this is for fighting, this is for fun
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 11 2011 21:10 GMT
#36
Thorzain is such a qt
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
DX_4
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany180 Posts
May 11 2011 21:14 GMT
#37
Thanks again for another great summary
Now, the problem I have is that I have no idea whom to vote for - I picked Naniwa based on a randomized selection, just so that I did place a bet.
In reality though ? No idea - I'd love to see either of them suceed, really hard to decide.
Either way, best of luck to both finalists and here's hope for an amazing final.
TSL3 was great so far, I am sure the combatants will deliver.

On May 12 2011 04:55 rift wrote:
"But I have to go pee between every game basically"

new nickname: Bathroom Terran

Have to admit, that had me giggling
There is no spoon
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
May 11 2011 21:16 GMT
#38
On May 12 2011 04:55 rift wrote:
"But I have to go pee between every game basically"

new nickname: Bathroom Terran


It would be awesome if they announced him using it
Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
May 11 2011 21:21 GMT
#39
I gotta admit the TSL has been sort of a bittersweet experience. I'm glad the foreigners brought it to the koreans but a little upset the supposed underdogs also brought it to ALL of my favorite players (how dare you knock out Tyler!). However, Thorzain I think has finally grown on me and I'll be rooting for him in the finals. And who better to root against than Naniwa, a new villain (in an Idra way)?

Should be a great finals.
I am The-Sink! Parting bandwagoner before it became a soul train.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
May 11 2011 21:24 GMT
#40
On May 12 2011 06:21 Footler wrote:
I gotta admit the TSL has been sort of a bittersweet experience. I'm glad the foreigners brought it to the koreans but a little upset the supposed underdogs also brought it to ALL of my favorite players (how dare you knock out Tyler!). However, Thorzain I think has finally grown on me and I'll be rooting for him in the finals. And who better to root against than Naniwa, a new villain (in an Idra way)?

Should be a great finals.

My feelings exactly (except for NaNiwa being a villain). I was upset that Tyler was knocked out by someone I didn't know then. But man do I know him now. ThorZaIN has slowly converted me to his fandom and I'm certainly going to be cheering for him in the finals.

Good luck to both players! Enjoy your time in NY!
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
Billyssjssfj
Profile Joined April 2011
104 Posts
May 11 2011 21:30 GMT
#41
Wow, I was not expecting thorzain to beat kas. This dude is good. NaniwAs got this in tha bag yo!
drinking
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines281 Posts
May 11 2011 21:39 GMT
#42
nice interview
Try not. Do or do not.
LynxKerr
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
May 11 2011 21:46 GMT
#43
Naniwa murked Thorzain just the other day! I think it's about 80% odds that Naniwa takes this... probably pretty soundly. His PvT is maybe unmatched.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
May 11 2011 21:49 GMT
#44
I've shot Thorzain down every week in the Liquibets, only to have him overcome each opponent.

Still gonna take Naniwa. I hope Thorzain loses so I don't feel like a complete scrub for not picking him once.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 11 2011 21:52 GMT
#45
nice interviews rooting for thorzain. im assuming this was played pre patch?
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
May 11 2011 22:01 GMT
#46
No idea who I want to see win more of these two. I liked both interviews, all I hope for is an amazing epic battle. Would be a bit of an anticlimax to such an awesome tournament if one of the two would get rofl stomped.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
May 11 2011 22:07 GMT
#47
Sauueedeen hhwwaaatting!

This is going to be so epic I just CAN'T wait.
Bring back 1 supply roaches.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
May 11 2011 22:10 GMT
#48
nani will win because he has select and sjow to practice against.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
TranceKuja
Profile Joined May 2011
United States154 Posts
May 11 2011 22:16 GMT
#49
It seems everyone is underestimating Thorzain again. If he can beat MC he can beat any protoss. Then again Thorzain is currently getting more votes in the poll. I'm glad the final is on Sunday since I work on Saturday.
Winning
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
May 11 2011 22:19 GMT
#50
these were the 2 best players of the tournament, imo, so it should definitely be an exciting final match.
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FenneK
Profile Joined November 2010
France1231 Posts
May 11 2011 22:33 GMT
#51
Two towering players for sure. I'm backing Thorzain.
good luck have batman
orangepie
Profile Joined March 2011
United States24 Posts
May 11 2011 22:47 GMT
#52
Gonna be a great finals im sure!! Thorzain is the underdog AGAIN! What an amazing story. Go underdog!
Burning
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden10 Posts
May 11 2011 22:50 GMT
#53
Both players have definitely proven worthy to win the TSL 3 and as a swede I feel proud to see an all-swede final but as a terran player I vote for ThorZain. However I do agree with what someone mentioned earlier "my heart says ThorZain but my brain says Naniwa".

Anyway, Sweden Hwaiting!
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
May 11 2011 23:02 GMT
#54
Two awesome players, gotta cheer for the brotoss though! naniwa fighting!
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
May 11 2011 23:04 GMT
#55
Lol at first i thought Thorzain said “ sniffing coke, enjoying life “
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
MeteorRise
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada611 Posts
May 11 2011 23:05 GMT
#56
Damn, such convincing victories from both of them. I hope naniwa wins! Gogogo Nani! ♥
Elegance, in all things.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
May 11 2011 23:08 GMT
#57
nani winning his 253925th box series would be a sick story. but thorzain with the cinderella (if oyu can call it that) run to be the one to beat him would be even better

<3 wtb great matches!
We talkin about PRACTICE
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 23:15:44
May 11 2011 23:13 GMT
#58
Best TvP vs best PvT


gonna be epic

I think Naniwa will win. Sure ThorZain's TvP record is impressive, but he just lost to NightEnd, and has nothing on Naniwa's 23-2 record for last 25.
MKP||TSL
aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
May 11 2011 23:23 GMT
#59
shorter preparation time+lan setting+no strike cannons= ez pick: Naniwa
johlar
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden165 Posts
May 11 2011 23:27 GMT
#60
Naniwas winning streak is 35 BoX and counting, correct? Would be amazing if he could keep that up a while longer. On the otherside you have the cinderella story of TSL3, who to root for?

tough but delicious choices one has to make at times.

Looking forward to both Saturday and Sunday ^_^
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
May 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#61
On May 12 2011 06:46 LynxKerr wrote:
Naniwa murked Thorzain just the other day! I think it's about 80% odds that Naniwa takes this... probably pretty soundly. His PvT is maybe unmatched.


Both said in an interview that they didn't play seriously as they didn't want to show off any strategies whatsoever for the upcoming TSL match.
The match they had was at the local internet café (which for the record, I've regularly visited for 10 years ♥) so I don't think we should think too much about it.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 00:22:48
May 12 2011 00:21 GMT
#62
On May 12 2011 04:58 ComaDose wrote:
I wonder what we will see Naniwa do that MC could not


Feedback the Thors?

Gonna be an epic final, I kinda wish I was in New York for it. Well the Livestream an a couple of friends isn't that bad either.
breadinator
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden9 Posts
May 12 2011 00:42 GMT
#63
Will be a great match, can't wait for it!
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
May 12 2011 01:01 GMT
#64
Naniwa got this for sure although its probably gonna be close.
when evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
May 12 2011 01:19 GMT
#65
This finals are going to be awesome no matter what!! It might not seam but both players are very modest, specially Thorzain:
After a few seconds I realized what had just happened. I went to the living room to tell my mother and sister that I'm going to USA in 1 week.
Just a baller!!
I can't wait for this finals!!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
May 12 2011 01:28 GMT
#66
How is Sweden so good at this game?
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
wideye
Profile Joined June 2010
United States209 Posts
May 12 2011 01:42 GMT
#67
what wait!?!?!? finals live in NYC? can i go watch??
slim pickens
barkles
Profile Joined May 2010
United States285 Posts
May 12 2011 01:59 GMT
#68
Don't get me wrong, Naniwa is playing like a total boss, but...

GO THORZAIN! win pls kthxbye

Seriously looking forward to watching this series
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
May 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#69
Who to root for hmmmm....
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
May 12 2011 04:45 GMT
#70
My respect for Hasu has grown 1000 fold when I read that he played straight up macro games in most of the games. This is not to detract from Naniwa who played excellent mind games in set, just a compliment to Hasu
Sky Net
Profile Joined February 2011
United States134 Posts
May 12 2011 06:18 GMT
#71
What a ride for Thorzain. Most of us outside of Europe hadn't heard of him (I'd heard of everyone except Nightend, Thorzain, Cruncher and Ciara personally). He beats a GSL champion, then the defending TSL champion, then a two time GSL winner who was considered by many to be the best player in the world while they were both in Europe (so lag could not be blamed) and finally a player considered to be the best TvT player in Europe. If he beats Naniwa in the final this will have been one of the sickest runs through a tournament ever.
"Never surrender" -Billy Mitchell
Jack-The-Firebat
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation6 Posts
May 12 2011 06:26 GMT
#72
Kas said in his interview with Empire.Hobot, that he can't fly to USA. So i don't think, that he played this seriously. They would give him tech-loose anyway.
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
May 12 2011 06:57 GMT
#73
Thorzain: "I practice only like 3 hours a day and wreck face"

hahaha
Sacro
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway237 Posts
May 12 2011 07:25 GMT
#74
Naniwa
"But he can't perform his utmost at LAN I think."


The way thorzaine lost kinda easily to nightend at The Gathering might be a proof fo this, i want Thorzain to win, but he needs to play top notch to be able to beat Naniwa i think.

Too bad the finals will be played on sunday as i will be gathering up with buddies on saturday to watch the gsl finals and we'll probably watch the 3rd place match between Kas and Hasuobs too.
ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
May 12 2011 07:47 GMT
#75
Close win for Naniwa is my bet. I like Thorzains development, but Naniwa still has more experience in pressure situations (i.e. a LAN event). Either way it's going to be huge!
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
May 12 2011 08:41 GMT
#76
Please win, Thorzain. Pleeease.

On May 12 2011 03:44 heyoka wrote:
Q: Your next opponent is a Protoss, either Naniwa or HasuObs
(...)
Q: You play a fellow Swede, Naniwa, in the finals.

Huh?
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 12 2011 09:42 GMT
#77
Part of the interview was done after he won but before he learned about Naniwa winning, and that last question was after. I liked both answers so I kept them both in.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
ch4iNz
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom42 Posts
May 12 2011 10:16 GMT
#78
thorzain
must
win

he beat mc!
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
May 12 2011 12:01 GMT
#79
Gratz Thorzain. Will be cheering for you in the finals.

Nani and Hasu's matches were nostalgic, it felt like i was watching WC3 again. hope the finals will be the same.
Argus92
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands93 Posts
May 12 2011 12:59 GMT
#80
Topnotch play by both of them, really looking forward to this!
I wonder if Thorzain will do will in LAN!
Day000
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium58 Posts
May 12 2011 14:16 GMT
#81
Was waiting for these interviews and recaps. Hope Thorzain will win the finals.
ThorZaiN |-| Grubby |-| Stephano
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
May 12 2011 14:40 GMT
#82
Final will be awesome! :D

2 swedes in the final is kinda awesome . I remember how i was expecting a Korean final back before TSL 3 started xd.

Rooting for ThorZain!! :D

Sweden winning either way!
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
May 12 2011 15:12 GMT
#83
"Now I'm just sipping my coke, enjoying life. :D"

What a baller. Huge fan. Thorzain fighting!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
May 12 2011 15:32 GMT
#84
Awesome interviews!

I'm rooting for Thorzain, but given that it's a LAN environment, I don't know how comfortable he will be compared to Naniwa who is completely used to this by now.

Can't wait for teh games!
Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
jaydee81
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany119 Posts
May 12 2011 16:10 GMT
#85
Huge thanks again to TL, great tournament, great interviews, great everything
vommy
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany532 Posts
May 12 2011 18:19 GMT
#86
Thorzain seems to be a pretty nice guy. Would love to see him win the finals
Oh, I'm chasing this guy. [Dodd shoots at Leonard] No... he's chasing me.
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
May 13 2011 22:45 GMT
#87
This will be a close match
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