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[TSL] Ro8 Recap and Interviews

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[TSL] Ro8 Recap and Interviews

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TSL3 Round of 8 Recap
by Lovedrop & Heyoka


This weekend an amazing thing happened: we played the TSL3 Round of 8. As with every weekend of TSL, the games were pretty damn good. Artosis joined djWheat and Chill to give us some of the best commentary yet, while we watched the likes of BW legend Boxer play in the same weekend as reigning MLG champion NaNiwa.

Now we're here to share our recaps and interviews, with you, our loyal fans.

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Day 2: Battle Reports


[image loading] (T)Empire.Kas < 3-1 > [image loading] (P)Mill.Adelscott
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T1 (T)Empire.Kas < Xel'Naga Caverns > (P)Mill.Adelscott P7
Our only all-European duel of the RO8 kicks off on Xel’Naga Caverns between Kas and Adelscott. Nothing out of the ordinary in the first three minutes of the game until Kas is first to deviate by skipping the usual first marine to attach a tech lab for a reaper instead. The reaper thankfully does not have to match itself against a stalker, and is able to pick off a zealot + probe before it meets its time. Kas’s CC is miles ahead of Adelscott’s nexus, but with Adel’s 3 gate pressure delays the expansion, ultimately giving Adelscott a huge economic lead. With his spider senses tingling, Adelscott remove the stalkers from the front line to catch a drop, and that is exactly what he did. Seeing that he has delayed it long enough, Adelscott pulls back to his own natural. Kas hasn’t just been sitting in his base doing nothing, as a third CC finishes and is now heading to the gold.

Waiting any longer would allow Kas to shoot ahead in income, and Adelscott moves up the right side of the map. With force fields, Adelscott’s zealots maul through the front line, but Adel cannot overcome the food difference and is pushed back with minimal micro from Kas. A pylon sees that Kas is trying to expand to the 3 o’ clock base, and Kas takes the opportunity to stim in and blow up Adel’s gold base + natural, also getting a free colossus in the process. Adelscott is severely supply capped, and the battle at his natural has a 60 food difference in favor of Kas, and Kas stomps Adelscott in a dominating fashion in game 1 of our best of 5. [17:51]

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T12 (T)Empire.Kas < Terminus RE > (P)Mill.Adelscott P6
Players fast expand behind their first unit producing structure, as vertical positions on Terminus RE is one of the longest travel distances in the current tournament map pool. Adelscott makes the first move, looking to be aggressive off of 3 warp gates. He catches the bunker seconds before it goes up, and is able to force Kas to abandon his natural for the time being. Seeing that most of Adelscott’s units were at the front of his base, Kas loads up two medivacs heading south, dealing a fair amount of damage before Adel could successfully deflect the drop. Kas tests Adelscott’s ability to multitask, dropping both his main and the third, but Adel easily cleans up with an overwhelming amount of units. As soon as Adelscott moves out, Kas again moves in with 2 medivacs to his third, but Adel is committed to his 2-2 timing attack, sacrificing his third and going for a frontal bust. Kas does not have enough units to hold his front even with dozens of SCVs repairing, and Adelscott evens up the series one apiece. [16:11]

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T1 (T)Empire.Kas < Crevasse > (P)Mill.Adelscott P7
Kas stays true to his reaper into FE build, which is a wise choice for another cross positioned spawn against Adelscott. The distance between the opposing base allows both players to cut corners and tech up extremely fast, with Adelscott pumping out his third colossus and Kas lining up two drops and a third CC by the 10 minute mark. Adelscott catches glimpses of the drops and eliminates the threat, while moving towards the center of the map. Adel needs to slow down Kas’s third and grab his own, but Kas knows there is imminent danger and begins fortifying his third. Adel abuses the range on the colossi to damage Kas’s bunkers, but Kas is not one to feel pressured, answering with his own vikings to slowly drain the colossi’s shields. Adelscott indecisively moves back and forth before committing to an attack, losing a few zealot meatshields from MM volleys. While the colossus is slowly melting away Kas’s army, Adelscott lets his macro slip and simply cannot resupply fast enough given Kas’s defender’s advantage.

Adelscott’s third is awfully late, and thankfully for him, Kas is supply blocked for a good 30 seconds, giving him enough time to run back his gateway units. Adelscott always look to be on the offensive, but Kas breaks down the backdoor rocks to walk around him and straight to the heart of Adel’s main. Adelscott refuses to enter a base trade scenario and rushes back to defend his base. By the time Adel got back to his base, both of his fully functioning nexuses have been sniped, and Kas pulls back with minimal losses, with his fourth almost ready to go. Adelscott gears up for one final push. Kas sits comfortably at max with 2-2 upgrades, while Adel is limping around 160 food. Kas stims in and while force fields slow down the massacre, they cannot delay the inevitable and Adelscott’s army simply evaporates, ending the game. [23:05]

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T1 (T)Empire.Kas < Tal'Darim Altar > (P)Mill.Adelscott P5
No reason to change a winning formula as Kas fast expands once again, this time slightly behind Adelscott’s own second nexus. Adelscott forces bunkers from his early 3 gate aggression, expanding again behind it and already has a forge spinning away at those upgrades, with armor first in line. A lone medivac skirts along the edge of the map, but it does not get past Adelscott’s watchful eyes and is picked off, losing a full load of units. Although given ample time, Adelscott sticks to gateway units for a long period of time. Kas prepares a three-pronged attack, dropping both the main and the third while marching in front. Adelscott tries his best to bring things under control, but narrowly could not tidy up the medivac in his main base, forcing him to temporarily lay off his probes. Adelscott counterattacks, but his force field placement in turn puts him in a disadvantageous position. Kas brings his SCVs for a surround, and once again Adel’s dubious force fields limited the surface area for his zealots, plummeting his supply in the engagement. Kas swings forward and chase after Adel, and this time it is he who faces a flank, with +2 armored zealots dashing forward and slicing down Kas’s army.

Adelscott rounds the back to try and snipe Kas’s third base, but a sensor tower comes up just in time to warn Kas of the incoming attack, and Adelscott is denied. Adelscott marches into the natural instead, and catches the SCVs transferring over to the third base. The zealots waste their charge on the SCVs, and Adelscott does not have enough sentries to force field Kas’s maxed MMM army. Half of Adelscott’s army is fighting Kas’s, while the other half are removed from the fight, deciding to chew through the SCVs instead. While both players deal an enormous amount of damage to each other, Kas’s SCVs can be replenished with MULEs, but Adelscott’s deathball is looking very thin. Adelscott continuously plays cat and mouse with Kas’s army, but his army is slowly withering away. Adelscott parks the remnants of his army in the middle of his two running bases, in fear of an attack from either end. Kas storms into the third, snipes the nexus, and relentlessly chase after Adelscott’s weaker army. Stim after stim and even force field cannot stop Kas right now, as Kas’s giant army more than doubles Adel’s food, and after a feverish chase around the map, and with the very last stalkers of his disintegrated, Adelscott wishes Kas the best of luck in the TSL3 semifinals. [28:29]

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P2 (P)oGs.MC < Shakuras Plateau > (T)Prae.ThorZaIN T7

The match begins with a bit of a bang. Thorzain builds a CC at his natural after a tech lab and 1 marine, while MC feigns something akin to 1gate expo. When the SCV in his base is killed, he immediately plops down a twilight counsel and then a nexus, signaling dark templars.

The first DT is met with marauder fire insantly as it tries to enter the natural, thanks to a turret in front. MC prepares a second wave by constructing a warp prism to get around the annoying detector. He warps several more into Thorzain's main directly, again unable to do any real damage but buying time to start his 3rd nexus. As the first force is cleared out, Thorzain moves out mid map and is pushed back when his army trades with the Protoss force.

He readies his own third command center and prepares for endgame with double upgrades from engineering bays, while MC builds up colossus numbers. The armies once again clash in the center, MC getting the worst of it and retreating after his colossus are all wiped away from viking fire. When Thorzain pushes into the bottom half of the map and kills the Protoss third, MC tries for a last stand flank to kill the army. His 1-0 units are quickly taken care of by the now 2-2 marauders-medivac force and he types out GG. [19:23]

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P9 (P)oGs.MC < Metalopolis > (T)Prae.ThorZaIN T6

Game 2 begins as non-standard as the first, with MC building a stargate immediately as the scouting worker is killed and Thorzain once again choosing CC after tech lab. The first voidray of MC stops a constructing barracks and allows him to warp in his second nexus. Showing only 1 void ray, he silently builds another 4 in the back of his base.

After Thorzain kills the first, he marches over to MC's base with his initial marine-marauder army to do some damage. He is met by 4 void rays and a handful of sentry-stalker, where he is able to stop the ground army but kills no void rays. MC decides to pressure this time, harassing over the cliff with void rays and pressuring the front with stalkers and sentries.

After trapping a number of marines to the edge of the ramp with forcefields, MC pulls back and starts to warp in a third nexus while making a templar archives. Thorzain follows suit and takes his third as well. The armies meet mid map, storm is unable to contain the now 2-2 marine-marauder force and game 2 ends similar to the last one: with Thorzain's upgraded army marching through MC's land forces for the GG. [19:33]

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P2 (P)oGs.MC < Xel'Naga Caverns > (T)Prae.ThorZaIN T7

Down 2 games, MC chooses an aggressive 3 gate opening, warping in a series of stalkers right into Thorzain's natural as he attempts a very fast banshee. 5 marines are not enough to stop his first force, and they march right on past the bunker and begin battling SCVs. Thorzain's banshee eventually finishes, and stops the bleeding but not before losing a large chunk of his worker forces. MC makes a nexus as he stops the attack and switches to macro-toss.

Thorzain attempts to get back into the game by harassing with 2 banshees, but is unable to kill any workers. Now down a base for several minutes, he attempts a strong midgame attack with 4 tanks, 4 banshees, marines, and a handful of SCVs to get back into the game. He kills MC's first army, but as he works on the expansion nexus an immortal finishes and a round of stalkers kill what he has and push him back. Thorzain taps out. [12:50]

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P5 (P)oGs.MC < Tal'Darim Altar > (T)Prae.ThorZaIN T11

Game 4 opens with MC choosing 15 nexus, while Thorzain once again makes a command center after marauder. MC ramps up to 4 gateways and prepares to go on the offensive with a forward pylon. Thanks to bunkers and pulling SCVs extremely early, Thorzain holds without many losses, MC starts a third nexus while he retreats.

Building 2 ebays, Thorzain gets his army to 1-1 before launching an assault on MC's natural from behind the cliffs, and succeeds in killing a pylon and assimilator. As he pulls back, MC finishes templar tech and begins warping in high templars. The armies dance around the center briefly as MC finishes both charge and blink, while Thorzain populates his newly finished third MC starts in on a 4th.

The first mid-map engagement goes to Thorzain slightly, as his now 2-2 marine-marauder-ghost army stops the 1-0 of MC, but just barely. He attempts to move to MC's 4th but is shut down, while MC pumps out a huge number of immortals from 3 robotics facilities. The armies continue to dance in the center, with MC getting a slight advantage from each scuffle.

As a PF is constructed at a 4th, Thorzain also takes the liberty of floating over to a 5th. MC pushes straight into the heart of Thorzain's space and takes his own 5th. When Thorzain attempts to sideswipe the Protoss army, the immortals cut through his primarily marauder force with ease. MC stops the Terran 5th from mining, and as Thorzain's army moves to clean up that expansion the main Protoss force destroys the PF where Terran's 4th is.
Back at home, MC is switching to colossus and meeting up with his main army.

Thorzain moves to the bottom of the map with marines and marauders that are now 3-3, and cleans up a sizable colossus-immortal-stalker ball that tries to flank. After killing the base there, he loads up his medivacs and goes to work on the Protoss main, where he is stopped by a swarm of stalkers and zealots.

Shortly thereafter, Thorzain cleans up the 5th base of MC's while MC in turn kills a base of Thorzain's, the one where his original main command center floated to. The armies then spend several minutes rallying into the center and trading, MC mixing in dark templars and Thorzain cloaking ghosts for EMP and sniping. After a dozen small clashes, MC is able to muster up several storms and a few colossus which turn the tide, and as he runs through the map to Thorzain's base he lays the GG. [36:36]

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P7 (P)oGs.MC < Crossfire SE > (T)Prae.ThorZaIN T2

The deciding game of the series opens with a safe gate-robo-gate from MC, making a nexus as he scouts Thorzain's base. Thorzain decides for a command center after factory, securing his base with a tank. MC continues with a stargate and a few phoenixes, while Thorzain looks to show people what he can do with mech as he builds a fast armory and begins his first thor.

When MC's phoenixes see the thors, he begins a third nexus on the bottom corner of the map. Thorzain builds a banshee and attempts to harass, to no avail as stalkers are warped in and phoenixes finish it off. MC scouts Thorzain landing a third command center, and tries to cut it off with his army but thors and hellions walk down in time to push the Protoss force away.

As the Thor, tanks, vikings, and hellions march down the map MC prepares for the assault. He brings high templars and begins to hallucinate what looks like a huge immortal army, but Thorzain spots the fakes with a scan as he readies his attack. Thorzain takes the battle with relative ease, thanks to an impressive 7 thors and scans to spot which units are real.

His first stop is at MC's third, where Protoss is unable to create enough stalkers and zealots to stop the mech units from killing his base, and then when it marches into his natural he is forced to type out. Thorzain marches into the semifinals thanks to an unstoppable series of thors. [19:30]

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[image loading] (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < 3-2 > [image loading] (P)coL.CrunCher
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P9(P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Metalopolis > (P)coL.CrunCher P6

The match starts with a proxy pylon from Cruncher in between the two possible spawn points from Naniwa. He builds 2 gateways, both on 10 and begins chrono-ing out zealots as soon as possible. Nani's scout probe finds them and responds by adding a second gateway oh his own, pulling probes from gas to prepare defense.

When the first 3 zealots arrive at Naniwa's base, he is forced to pull several probes to defend. Thanks to the workers, he is able to quickly equalize the numbers and from there it is a short road to victory with a superior probe count. [8:02]

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P11 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Shakuras Plateau > (P)coL.CrunCher P5

Game 2 begins off-kilter as well, with a 3 gate-robotics opening from Naniwa and a stargate after 3 gates on Cruncher's side, which immediately begins producing phoenixes. Naniwa makes an extremely fast colossus, while Cruncher begins harassing with his fliers. After some poking and prodding, the initial phoenix force takes down the first colossus as Cruncher takes his natural.

This prompts an attack from Naniwa, which is met with cruncher's growing ground army and held back with ease. The MLG champion expands as well, but continued phoenix annoyances keep his probe count far below Cruncher's, who has a natural up and running. Knowing he is far ahead in workers, Cruncher builds double robo and switches into colossus production while taking the base at 12 o'clock.

When the two armies eventually meet, Cruncher has 9 colossus and it is a trivial matter for him to walk over Naniwa's forces. [20:51]

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P7 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Tal'Darim Altar > (P)coL.CrunCher P5

The third game starts with a familiar PvP scene: 4 gate from Cruncher and blink stalkers from Naniwa. The players dance around in the center with their initial forces, with neither coming out ahead. While Nani continues to build up his blink stalker numbers, Cruncher opts to build a robo and a forge and dig in.

Cruncher builds 2 cannons at the entrance to his base, and Naniwa walks past them as they are warping forcing Cruncher to pull some probes. The blinking stalkers are coming out ahead slightly in the stalker micro battle, but when an immortal shows up Nani is forced to retreat and regroup.

The blink stalkers harass the front, eliminating both cannons without losses due to their ability to transcend space and time. As the armies continue to skirmish, Cruncher's non-blinking stalkers are eliminated one by one until the immortals are easily focused down and he is forced to GG. [12:02]

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P3 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Terminus RE > (P)coL.CrunCher P6

Game 4 opens with 4 gate against 4 gate. The first battles see Nani come out on top slightly, eeking out a small advantage in stalker numbers. As Nani approaches the heart of Cruncher's base he pulls probes to drive back their advances.

Able to keep Cruncher on the back foot, Nani builds up a slight advantage in army and then builds a nexus. Cruncher, in turn, gets a robotics and heads towards clossus production. With his first colossus he moves out and establishes himself in the center of the map. When the second moseys out he approaches the front of Nani's forces and readies himself to push in, and right as the third lumbering giant gathers up to his army the attack begins.

3 colossus triumph over blink stalkers, and the series is off to a deciding game. [16:56]

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P7 (P)Dignitas.NaNiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > (P)coL.CrunCher P2

Game 5 begins the same way: 4 gate vs 4 gate. The early skirmishes once again see Naniwa coming out slightly ahead, showing the incredible micro that won him MLG Dallas. His supply lead continues to mount as Cruncher warps in a robo, while Nani keeps making units.

Nani walks across the map and puts on some pressure, where he is stopped at the ramp by several forcefields in succession. Eventually the forcefields stop, and the game is quickly won when Naniwa marches up the ramp and finds no immortal. [8:32]

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P1 (P)mouz.HasuObs < Crevasse > (T)SlayerS_BoxeR T7
BoxeR makes a reaper to scout HasuObs’s base, but doesn’t get as much as he’d like out of the reaper. Both backdoor expansions are slowly kicking in, and BoxeR is pumping out units from 3 barracks (1 reactor/2 tech lab) while Hasu has three warp gates and a robo. As soon as his first medivac pops out, BoxeR sends a small force over to Hasu’s base, carefully scanning and picking off observers along the way. Hasu is ready for the drop and BoxeR pulls away as soon as the stalkers came into sight. Both players stay toe to toe in supply and feel confident enough to take a third. The armies are at adjacent Xel’Naga towers, and as soon as BoxeR moves his ground units up the ramp, Hasu immediately sieze the opporturnity to force field, cutting off BoxeR’s retreat path and begin thermal lancing the clumped up Terran ball. Boxer manages to land one EMP before all of his troops were melted down, but losing half of his army in exchange is somewhat costly. Hasu chases BoxeR back to BoxeR’s front natural, forcing the CC to lift and the SCVs mining at the base suffer civilian casualty as they try to escape . Vikings slowly work down the colossus number, and the angle favors BoxeR, forcing Hasu to pull back and regroup. BoxeR tries to sneak a CC up to start a fourth base, but Hasu is alerted and hops down the ramp to snipe the floating CC. BoxeR sees that Hasu is transferring probes to another base, but cannot foolishly engage as his scan reveals that Hasu has added high templars into the mix.

Once maxed, HasuObs moves his army up the ramp. Blinking back stalkers so the zealots can get in, storms begin to rain down on BoxeR’s army, and EMP could not cover every single templar. Hasu was able to push BoxeR back into his natural, but SCVs join the fray to soak up zealot damage, allowing BoxeR to hold for the second time this game. BoxeR tries to sneak a squad to the top left corner of the map to do some damage, but once again Hasu demonstrates the importance of Xel’Naga Towers and catches BoxeR red-handed. Now nearly double BoxeR’s supply, Hasu moves in with his heavy zealot/templar army, cleverly lining up the templars atop the cliff so they don’t get EMP’d. The sheer amount of units this time around is too much even for the Emperor, and Hasu breaks the natural the third time around to clinch the crucial game one. [24:29]

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P11 (P)mouz.HasuObs < Tal'Darim Altar > (T)SlayerS_BoxeR T1
BoxeR pressures early to slow down Hasu’s nexus, and capitalizes by getting his CC down much quicker. Yet minutes later, it is BoxeR’s passivity that allows Hasu to take his third earlier. BoxeR looks to deal some damage by setting up below Hasu’s natural, but Hasu already had units atop ready in position to deal with any sort of harassment. Both players are reluctant to engage until max, and BoxeR is keeping up with his upgrades a bit more consistently, with 2 engineering bays to Hasu’s one forge. Hasu moves into the position, taking advantage of BoxeR rearing his whole army to take out a pesky pylon. BoxeR sends in cloaked ghosts to get in range to EMP Hasu’s army, but to little effect as the formidable Protoss deathball is already chewing through BoxeR’s army. Not taking the risk to end the game at this very second, Hasu pulls back to max out once again, giving BoxeR some breathing room to muster up another army of his own. Needing to clear up some supply, BoxeR rallies his SCVs towards Hasu, while Hasu trades in to the Aiur shop his zealots to purchase some new high templars.

The armies meet at the southern Xel’naga Tower, with BoxeR cloaking in and lands a vital EMP on all the high templars. Unfortunately, BoxeR could not make the most of his opportunity, losing out the big battle due to poor positioning. BoxeR sends all his sickly marauders to snipe the bottom left expansion of Hasu. Instead of trying to salvage his bases, Hasu heads the other way, opting for a base trade scenario instead. BoxeR chases Hasu after sniping two nexuses, dealing with Hasu’s lucrative income somewhat. Hasu has 4k/4k in the bank, and is sitting on top of BoxeR’s production facilities. All of BoxeR’s marauders are in the red, and are dying to single swipes from a stealthy dark templar. While BoxeR successfully nullifies all the high templars again, the weakened marauders cannot deal enough damage before they die. With all his buildings gone, BoxeR hangs on by the skin of his teeth, only to see Hasu once again max and mercilessly ravage through BoxeR’s final base, sending BoxeR to the brink of elimination. [36:27]

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P7 (P)mouz.HasuObs < Xel'Naga Caverns > (T)SlayerS_BoxeR T1
While BoxeR had made his second CC much quicker than Hasu’s nexus, his decision to tech up delayed it quite a bit, giving Hasu the economic advantage instead. BoxeR is constantly splitting up his forces to catch Hasu off-guard, and the relentless drops and diversion tactics slowly chip away Hasu, losing pylons and units everywhere. The sudden supply cap forces Hasu to move out, and BoxeR halts all mining at his gold to prevent any further damage. Keeping Hasu at bay, BoxeR sends half a dozen units down the right side of the map, and successfully snipes Hasu’s third nexus. Unfortunately, those units do not live to see another day. Hasu’s main objective is try to deny BoxeR his gold. From storming the mineral line to nonstop pokes with colossi, BoxeR has a hard time saturating his mineral line.

As Boxer moves down the map, Hasu wastes no time and instantly takes down the gold, while Boxer collects Hasu’s third unopposed. This time, it is Hasu who pulls back to defend, wedging in BoxeR’s army at that very same base. BoxeR’s ghosts save the day, rendering high templars useless with EMPs. BoxeR pushes Hasu back, but is falling behind economically, as Hasu has gotten his 9 o’ clock expansion running. BoxeR attempts to move in and attack, but the downpour of psionic storms is slowly eating through marauder health and medivac energy. Hasu loops around to take out Boxer’s natural and limits BoxeR’s income to a single mined out gold. BoxeR splits his army in half in order to minimize storm damage, but his army is simply no match for Hasu’s. The supply reads 168-58 in favor of Hasu. Hasu’s final assault on the gold K.Os SlayerS_BoxeR, eliminating the last Korean in the tournament and securing an All-European TSL Final Four. [27:37]

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Post-game Interview


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Q: Congratulations Kas, you made it to the semi-finals of the TSL3. How do you feel?

I am very glad. I feel that I've achieved something big, and it gives me more and more motivation to prepare for the next match.

Q: Adelscott showed a fast expanding macro style in his previous games, and did the same today. However, you played a very standard style that left you behind on economy in the early game. How come you didn't do all-in builds, or risky fast expansion builds?

I weighed the pros and cons, and felt that right now I'm in top form. That is why I decided to play safe, reliable builds, when it will be needed I will be able to surprise you with new strategies, no doubt.

Q: You tried to use dropship tactics in your games, but Adelscott knew exactly where you were dropping. Is this because he plays against you very often, or did he just research your style very well?

I think he simply prepared well and knew what the best drop spots and times were, it was very smart from him. Some of my drops were not ideal, but even unsuccessful drops play a role in the psychological game.

Q: In two of the games your army and Adelscott's army passed by each other and you were in a base-trade situation. Both times, Adelscott sent his army back to defend. Would you have been confident in a situation where Adelscott had just decided to keep attacking with his army?

I tried to divide his army or force a battle in good positions, because a Protoss army all together is invincible. But I was too slow and I think Adelscott could have punished me for it, in-game agitation probably lead him to make the wrong choice.

Q: The TSL3 maps have led to a lot of long, macro style games (and everyone seems to thumb-down Crossfire). Do you think this has been good for your style so far?

I think macro games are my strength, although I have a lot of room to improve I am incredibly confident in my ability to play macro games.

Q: You have taken down players from all three races with your very solid play. Which match-up do you prefer to play nowadays?

I feel that only in TvT I truly understand the game as much as I would like. Other matchups are very difficult to figure out, it depends a lot on the maps. I work hard to keep all of my matchups at their best.

Q: On a related note, your next opponent is winner of ThorZain vs MC. Who do you prefer to play against, and why?

I prefer Thorzain because it is TvT, although it would feel good to play MC again. In our last meeting I did not play well, it did not go as I wanted to in the LAN event. I would be glad to meet these unbelievably talented players again.

Q: Any last comments?

Big thanks to Team Empire for the support. Thanks to my fans and everyone who believes in me, thanks to my parents, I will give it my all in the next games!


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Post-game Interview


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Q: Congratulations, you won against MC, how do you feel?

Ok. I know I've said that I felt great the other 2 games I won, but take that and multiply it by 10 and you get the satisfaction I feel right now.

Q: What did you do when he typed GG?

I did something very unlike me, I slammed the table really hard. Obviously not out of the normal "Hit things" feeling of anger, but rather of extreme joy.

Q: Your opponent, MC, is considered by many to be the best protoss in the world. What did you think of his play in this series?

I'm very bad at judging actually "how good" an opponent played except just seeing who won and who lost, but I felt he played pretty well. Especially on Tal'Darim Altar.

Q: In game one, he went dark templar harass. did this catch you off guard? you had excellent turret timing.

I saw that he took his 2nd gas very early so I was thinking that it probably would be DTs or possibly Void Rays. When I scouted the base above me and saw only a pylon and no Stargate I was pretty sure that it would be a DT rush, especially since there were no units there (hence no delayed mass sentry 4 gate).

His harass still did some damage, but I was able to get far ahead in the upgrades and he had 1/0 vs 2/2 in the end, so that was why he lost.

Q: In game 2, MC went for an aggressive void ray attack that did some damage. But you attacked right before his storm finished.

I believe I tricked him a bit making him think I would be teching, but he still went Void Rays. They did no damage at all in the beginning because he was putting up an expo. I scouted his expansion so I knew that I wouldn't have to be too defensive. However I had already put down 5 raxes in total so I tried to do some damage with a mass marine +1 attack. It did some damage but not enough

He then counterattacked and at one point I thought I would lose. I got my vikings and medivacs up and then I put down a third and attacked him. I managed to time it pretty well so he only had 2 storms I think. Again, I had 2/2 and he had 0/0. Hence his gateway units died like flies.

Q: Game 3 you took early damage. Did you expect MC to do what he did?

He didn't have much chrono boost saved up so I thought that he wouldn't go for early warp gate pressure. Normally I still try to scout some to see if he is or not, but this game i forgot about it. He ran pass my bunker and managed to kill like 8 scvs. From there on I knew that I had to do an all-in to have a chance, but he managed to get enough units up in time to defend it.

Q: Game 4 was quite an epic battle. MC's style seems to favor high tech over unit upgrades. What are your thoughts on this game?

I felt that I was in a good spot when I defended his 5 or 6 gate without taking much damage. However it delayed my upgrades and medivac tech, so I couldn't move out early enough to catch him without storm. I tried to but I didn't manage to kill him. From there on it turned into an epic game with a lot of fights. I often thought that I would run out of money but somehow I didn't.

We both had 4/5 bases but in the end he was able to secure the win because of his really nice feedbacks and colossus switch.

Q: You went for your thor strategy in game 5. Did you see MC hallucinate the Immortals? How did you target down the non-hallucinated ones so well?

When you have vision over his hallucinated units with detection, the SC2 AI automatically ignores them and focuses on the real units instead. His mistake was letting me see that he hallucinated some units right before the fight. It seems like a pretty clever thing to do, since this strategy depends on strike cannoning his immortals, and if there are 10+ of them, that's not very easy. So I just kept scanning during the fight.

When I have vision over his hallucinated units with detection, the SC2 AI automatically ignores them and focuses on the real units instead.

Q: You have kept your goals very humble every round. Now you are 1 win away from going to New York for the finals and earning a seed into TSL4. What are your thoughts about your TSL run now?

I am so happy with my run so far. I've really managed to beat some of the best players in the world, and now even probably the best one. I'm very thankful that I didn't get to play any Terrans yet because I fear that it's my worst match up, plus the fact that I didn't play much TvT for a very long time now, except like 10 ladder games.

Q: Your next round opponent is Kas or Adelscott. What are your thoughts on these players?

Both are great players and I don't know against whom I would like to play. I've practiced quite a bit with Adelscott because I played against Protoss and he against Terran in the last couple of rounds, so I kinda know his style. He is Protoss and since I beat MC I can probably beat any protoss in the world.

Kas is Terran which I already said is my worst match up, but that means that I will have to practice it. If I play against him, I will have a reason to actually practice TvT like I've never practiced before. And I'm pretty bored of TvP right now since I've played it an insane ammount lately. If I would play against Kas I would have to practice it. It would give me a reason to actually practice TvT like I've never practiced it before.

Q: There's been a lot of people making speculations about whether the Koreans would or would not have lost if they played on the same servers. Are you happy your match with MC happened when he was in Denmark?

I think that it is great. Before I felt that yeah it will actually make it "more fair" than it could have been if he was in Korea , which might would lead me to lose my game. However now people can't rob me of my win saying MC played with mass delay.

Q: Any last words to your legion of new fans you're going to make after this series is aired?

Hey any new fans I've made, I hope that I can keep playing as well as I've been doing in the TSL in other tournaments. Keep cheering for me to motivate me to practice more!

Also a shoutout to PaisY and NightEnD, with whom I'm in Norway at the moment, my good friend's at home GruGloG, PapaPandroni and Skutt (as in the last interview!) and to KimG for lending me his crew-spot and the TG-Crew here at The Gathering.




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Post-game Interview


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Q: Congratulations. How do you feel winning such a close series?

I feel extremly relieved, I wouldnt have been able to forgive myself ever if I lost to cruncher.

Q: Those are strong words -- Cruncher seems to not get much respect among some top players. What are your thoughts about him?

I didnt mean it in the sense that he is a bad player, I mean it in the sense that I'm the current MLG champion, on paper I'm a big favorite, and it would hurt my ego a lot to lose against him.

But as a player I respect him, he plays smart and in my world what he did to IdrA was smart, he abused IdrA's weakness of not being able to adapt as well as some players. Mondragon just didn't play enough to keep up with his strategies and clever style. People seem to think that micro macro is the only way to show your skill, but I disagree.

Q: The games were very close. What was your reaction right after winning the series?

My reaction was that I'm very relieved, as I had not had any time at all to prepare for this match and was a bit tired today. I am very satisfied to win, the score does not matter to me. I am just very relieved.

Q: Lets talk about the games a little. Every game you were scouting very early and all around your base. It seems you were very prepared against the proxy gates in game 1.

Well, I think cruncher is a player who likes to mix it up or perhaps even cheese, I just wanted to be sure to not fall for any his tricks. I tried to play safe.

Q: In game 2 he caught you off guard with his phoenix opening. Do you have experience against this kind of strategy?

Uhm, I know how to react, but I underestimated the durability of the phoenix. I thought I could move out with 1 colo and attack with a couple of stalkers. To be honest everything just went to hell that game, I was supposed to just expo and take the win in the later stages, but I got carried away. Nevertheless his strategy was smart and I will prepare better if I meet him again.

Q: The third game you went very fast blink, and outmicro'd him. It seems that a lot of PvP hinges on the first few units engaging, what are your thoughts on this?

Yeah, thats fine in my opinion. I messed up micro a bit but I was very unfocused these games for some reason, not sure. I will play better in my next series. But I like it in general, I think all Warcraft players do, since we are used to hero and few units vs hero and few units. situations where every unit is extremly important.

Q: In game 4 you won the first few fights 4g vs 4g, but when you expanded he was able to attack with colossus and win.

Yeah, I made a big strategical error just like on Shakuras, the only thing I could have transitioned into and been totally fine with would be blink, but somehow I thought I could expand safely...I have no excuse for this.

Q: Game 5 was very close, do you get nervous for these types of matches?

Ever since I won MLG dallas, I do not get nervous anymore. I suppose it might come if I play at a more grand stage, but right now I am always 100% calm.

Q: You had a 26-2 record at Dallas, and in the MLG Columbus thread you posted "ITS MINE". Do you feel the need to attend every MLG now to defend your title? What is your feeling about MLG and how they run tournaments compared to European ones?

To be honest I probably had one of the best times of my life at MLG dallas, big part due to the fact that I won. But I have never played insuch a professional tournament before, I think its FAR more professional and fun to play than the European tournaments, might be bad for me to mention the ones I compare to but, the majority of the European ones.

Ever since I won MLG I felt like I have proved myself, but after a few days I got hungry again. After watching MC I felt my blood boiling to reach further, and he motivates a lot of this hunger for me. I will try to go to every MLG to defend my title, i think with some Flow on my side i can for sure do it again, and with the right preparation its no doubt within my reach.

Ultimately my goal is to beat MC In a grand stage, that would be my next goal.

Q: You might get your chance, if MC beats Thorzain and Kas/Adel. Do you have a preference on who you want to play next round? Hasu / Boxer what are your thoughts on those two?

I would like to play against Boxer, as I feel a certain burden of hope on my shoulders for the WC3 fans and the community. I want to do my best to show that Warcraft players can compete with Brood War stars. They are both great players in my opinion. It would take too long to explain everything I think of both. ^^

Q: Any last words for your fans / practice partners / teammates?

I wanna thank Socke, Bling for their practice with me, it was quite helpful. Thanks to my team (Dignitas) and the sponsors of course!



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Post-game Interview


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Q: Congratulations, how do you feel?

Thank you! I feel very exhausted because the games were thrilling, but besides that I feel damn good. I'm in the Semi-finals of the TSL, just won against the Emperor 3-0, thats unbelievable.

Q: All games went into late game, but you won convincingly 3-0. Did the games go as you planned? What did you think about Boxer's play?

Everything besides Xel'Naga went pretty much like I planned, yes. On the first map Boxer made some minor mistakes in the middle, which cost him a lot of units, then I was ahead. 2nd map was 200 vs 200 for a long time, but I was able to trade his main base for 2 of my expos and got ahead in production. The third map I actually wanted to play a totally different strategy, but I had a bad feeling that Boxer was doing some kind of timing push. He didn't do that, so once again it came to a late macro game.

Overall I think BoxeR played way better than vs NightEnd, he tried to be more agressive and used some nice EMPs on my HT.

Q: You are now one game away from securing a seed into TSL4. Do you appreciate the direct seed more now that you went through the qualifying process once?

Hehe, I didn't even know about that. I don't think about TSL4 yet, all that matters is TSL3. I want to make it as far as possible, but obviously a direct seed would be nice!

Q: In game 2, you built over 30 warp gates when both of you were maxed for so long. Do you feel these situations benefit Protoss or Terran?

Once it comes to this extremely late games where both players are maxed for about 10 minutes it benefits protoss. Especially in that game it favored me because as I said, I traded his production for 2 expos. That was a clear mistake by BoxeR I think. But I tell you, replenishing your army with more than 30 gateways feels good.

Q: The last game Boxer used EMP very well, and it ended up very close. Do you get nervous in high-pressure situations? Do you feel that being up 2-0 helped your mental game?

I got very nervous when he first saw my nexus at the 3rd expansion. Untill that point I was confident, but then I felt under pressure. Being on 2 base while terran has 3 bases, one at the gold secured by a planetary is not the best situation. But I managed to kill alot of SCVs and had some good fights, even though his EMPs got nearly all of my HT.

I think, leading 2-0 gives a small mental edge, but not too much. Boxer is playing for several years at a high level, so do I. It does not effect us too much I believe.

Q: Did you know Boxer when you played WarCraft 3? Did you ever think then that you'd be playing him in a tournament match? Does it make this match any extra special to you knowing his progaming history?

Seriously... of course I know BoxeR. I watched alot of VODs from his SC1 playstyle, I always enjoyed his games in the Korean leagues. But during tournaments I don't think too much about who I'm facing, I follow my gameplan and try to overwhelm my opponent. But now, after the games are done, I think I can be proud of myself that I won against Boxer. Still I would not overrate a single series, Boxer is an extremly good player.

Q: Your next round opponent will be a Protoss, either Naniwa or Cruncher. What do you think about them?

I think that Naniwa has probably the strongest PvP right now. Cruncher seems to have some really good builds and good micro, but I think Naniwa is the favorite. But I would not count out Cruncher.

Q: Do you have a preference on who you'd rather play?

Hmm, no, not really. Since its going to be a mirror match either way I don't mind. As I said, I feel that Naniwa has some of the best PvP worldwide, so... maybe it would be good for me to meet cruncher. haha.

Q: You have been very busy, as have most players who are in multiple leagues. What are your thoughts on this? Too many games? Or very good that SC2 is so huge?

Yes indeed, the last weeks I've been very busy. I couldn't even see my girlfriend for a while, because I was in Italy, then England and now I'm going to France. After the tournament in France I will take a small break and enjoy some days without SC2! Overall I think, there cannot be enough tournaments. It is just great to be part of the SC2 community right now, also watching SC2 growing from month to month is extremly nice.

Q: Congrats and good luck in France. any last thanks for practice partners or words to your fans?

First of all I have to thank Delphi and Stephano, I got forgot to mention them after my victory against Morrow! A big thanks to Strelok who helped me in the last few days. Thanks to my team Mousesports and all their partners and sponsors. Thanks to all my supporters and fans, it is such a good feeling when people are cheering. Follow me on http://www.facebook.com/HasuObs

Most of all thanks to all my fans for cheering for me. As a player who is not used to having a lot of fans, it always warms my heart alot when I get the support. I will continue to try to do my best!



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@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
April 26 2011 06:24 GMT
#2
go go thorzain! i really want a thorzain naniwa final. I think Best TvPer against Best PvTer outside of Korea at the moment.

Too bad TvT is by far Thorzain's worst MU. But seeing his interview gives me hope that he can bust out some insane prepared strategies for the semifinal.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
April 26 2011 06:27 GMT
#3
Great interviews. Game 4 of MC/Thorzain was indeed epic.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
April 26 2011 06:38 GMT
#4
At this point I am definitely rooting for Thorzain, although I can't help but feel going up against Kas in TvT will be at least an equal challenge to taking on MC
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hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
April 26 2011 06:38 GMT
#5
The interviews are great; everyone seems likable, even Nani :O
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5244 Posts
April 26 2011 06:44 GMT
#6
Thorzain deserved his wins, hopes he continues to be a long lasting world class player.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
April 26 2011 06:44 GMT
#7
I <3 ThorZain!

I hope he practices TvT 24/7
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Ezkaton
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Japan416 Posts
April 26 2011 06:45 GMT
#8
Great interviews!! I'm liking Nani more and more, he's matured so much as a person
space_yes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States548 Posts
April 26 2011 06:50 GMT
#9
I really hope we get to see a Thorzain v Naniwa finals though I'm not sure if Thorzain can make it past Kas. Kas seems to have good TvT..
TheDominator
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
New Zealand336 Posts
April 26 2011 06:52 GMT
#10
I can't make up my mind on who to cheer for. I think all 4 players deserve their spots so far. If I had to guess who would win though, I think Kas will beat Thorzain, because Kas is just awesome and since Thorzain said that TvT isn't his best. I would like Hasu to beat Naniwa, but I think Naniwa has a higher chance.
This will be epic!!!!
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slyderturtle
Profile Joined August 2010
United States267 Posts
April 26 2011 06:52 GMT
#11
Hahaha i totally thought Nani was BMing cruncher at first

Awesome interviews in general, hopefully thorzain manages to get past Kas, but I actually think it will be harder than MC
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
April 26 2011 06:57 GMT
#12
Great, great Interviews and great marches ahead of us. Also i couldn't help but notice that I'm very familiar with the remaining players
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Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
April 26 2011 06:59 GMT
#13
Yeah if Thorzain wins this it'll be one of the most impressive runs in SC2 history. Definitely rooting for him. Great interviews!
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
April 26 2011 07:12 GMT
#14
I liked all these interviews. Wouldn't mind any final with any of these players.
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
April 26 2011 07:17 GMT
#15
There is a little mistake in the Thorzain interview.

I will have a reason to actually practice TvT like I've never practiced before. And I'm pretty bored of TvP right now since I've played it an insane ammount lately. If I would play against Kas I would have to practice it. It would give me a reason to actually practice TvT like I've never practiced it before.


Great stuff. Thanks guys.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 26 2011 07:22 GMT
#16
Thats exactly how he responded, I decided to not edit because it shows a bit how serious he is.
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
April 26 2011 07:24 GMT
#17
I'm a little worried that Kas might walk over ThorZain but hopefully, he'll have enough time to practice his TvT.

I'm not exactly sure how good Hasu's PvP is so I'll give the edge to Naniwa. It'll be very close though IMO.
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KDN
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 07:28:40
April 26 2011 07:28 GMT
#18
Dare we wish for a finale between the Swedes? Everyone of the last players could make it to the final and win it.

ThorZaIN vs MC was defiantly my highlight out of this weekends games.
Vundox
Profile Joined March 2011
United States182 Posts
April 26 2011 07:30 GMT
#19
wow I love of all them but I really liked HasuObs' interview
implying Suzy isn't perfect
Dakmaniac
Profile Joined November 2010
212 Posts
April 26 2011 07:40 GMT
#20
tbh i was cheering for BoxeR first but after the games and this Interview i just have to say : Hasu sooo good and mannered :D

gogo take the TSL3 home to germany HasuObs !!!!
wisdom is earned not given !!!
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
April 26 2011 07:41 GMT
#21
Wait what, semis already? Nooo
Have no idea who to go for, none of these guys incite anything in me

Probably HasuObs. Hey you, Hasu, go go go
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NotCptKirk
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany165 Posts
April 26 2011 07:50 GMT
#22
Thanks alot for these great interviews! The Ro8 sure had some great games =)
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
April 26 2011 07:51 GMT
#23
Uh oh, seems like ThorZaIN thinks TvT is his worst matchup and Kas thinks it's his best. This'll be interesting. Hoping ThorZaIN can take it all!
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aLuLz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany175 Posts
April 26 2011 08:04 GMT
#24
I think ThorZaIN's practice discipline is very good so maybe he will be as good as kas is when they both face. Kas has a little bit too much respect for all the good enemys he face esspecially in offline tournaments. It will be a close series.
It would be so great if 1.3.3 would come out before hasu and naniwa play but no Would make it soo much better
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
April 26 2011 08:05 GMT
#25
Kas is the indisputed god of tvt, i feel really bad for thorzain
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
oettinger
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany10 Posts
April 26 2011 08:11 GMT
#26
I hope (P)HasuObs and (T)Kas can bring their respective opponents down. I like their attitude towards the game and their very well manner
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
April 26 2011 08:11 GMT
#27
Just one question:

Is there anyone who still has a correct bracket from the contest?
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
April 26 2011 08:17 GMT
#28
lets make it a swedish final
zzzzzz
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
April 26 2011 08:30 GMT
#29
Down sides: Boxer out, PvP in semi finals
Up sides: TvT in semi finals, ThorZaIN with nice style, MC out, cruncher out, no mirror in finals

All in all, it should be nice, but seeing Boxer 3-0d makes me a saaad panda stupid mistakes and almost nothing of the awesome stuff like against Sen.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
April 26 2011 08:32 GMT
#30
On April 26 2011 17:11 Rabiator wrote:
Just one question:

Is there anyone who still has a correct bracket from the contest?

I think there is one guy that correctly predicted these semis
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sc2olorin
Profile Joined November 2010
292 Posts
April 26 2011 08:38 GMT
#31
Beating Kas in TvT might be even harder than beating MC in TvP was for Thorzain. But if anyone can practice correctly and efficiently enough to close the gap in skill in time for the match, it's Thorzain. Good luck sir.
HyPo
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium9 Posts
April 26 2011 08:38 GMT
#32
<3 Kas, you are a baller sir!
Keep up the manners and the great play!
Terran fighting!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 26 2011 08:40 GMT
#33
Very nice recaps, and the interviews are very well done with personalized questions, a very interesting read indeed.
LifebaneLive
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany25 Posts
April 26 2011 08:41 GMT
#34
Thorzains Interview is different than the ones he gave before. :>
Someone is mighty proud of himself. ^^
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DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
April 26 2011 08:44 GMT
#35
please, give me the Thorzain vs HasuObs final! *_*
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NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
April 26 2011 08:54 GMT
#36
HasuObs was simply awesome, such a nice and manner guy, i really hope he can take the title home, since Mondragon failed in the last TSL Final against NonY.
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
April 26 2011 08:56 GMT
#37
On April 26 2011 17:32 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:11 Rabiator wrote:
Just one question:

Is there anyone who still has a correct bracket from the contest?

I think there is one guy that correctly predicted these semis

Maybe his girlfriend made it because the names are nice ... :p
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
April 26 2011 08:59 GMT
#38
Great interviews...

I can't fucking wait to watch these guys play next weekend. =)
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Roaches
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark152 Posts
April 26 2011 09:01 GMT
#39
On April 26 2011 17:56 Rabiator wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +


On April 26 2011 17:32 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:11 Rabiator wrote:
Just one question:

Is there anyone who still has a correct bracket from the contest?

I think there is one guy that correctly predicted these semis




Maybe his girlfriend made it because the names are nice ... :p


I think it more likely she picked the sweetest-looking guys by their pictures. Except maybe naniwa
hi grack
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
April 26 2011 09:10 GMT
#40
lol 4 europeans and 4 ex-war3 players.. who would have guessed it ?

I guess with lots of time to prepare this were the guys that did a better homework and totally deserve their wins!
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
April 26 2011 09:25 GMT
#41
Fun fact: Everyone but Thorzain have made it to semis by beating 1P, 1T and 1Z. And Thorzain will complete his lacking T win should he make it to the finals.
kernl
Profile Joined October 2008
84 Posts
April 26 2011 09:26 GMT
#42
On April 26 2011 15:38 Antoine wrote:
At this point I am definitely rooting for Thorzain, although I can't help but feel going up against Kas in TvT will be at least an equal challenge to taking on MC


hehe, never thought i'd say this but i think beating MC TvP is not even an indication that he can beat kas TvT but the finals are bound to be awesome, especially if kas and naniwa make it. absolutely no clue what's going to happen!
desu
havox_
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany442 Posts
April 26 2011 09:30 GMT
#43
Great answers from all players this time
On April 26 2011 17:56 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:32 Beyonder wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:11 Rabiator wrote:
Just one question:

Is there anyone who still has a correct bracket from the contest?

I think there is one guy that correctly predicted these semis

Maybe his girlfriend made it because the names are nice ... :p

Haha, so true, cant see any other option how anybody could have predicted these semis - although all 4 players def deserve to be there based on their awesome matches, no doubt about that

ThorZain played fantastic, but don't see him beating Kas in a TvT...
Nani is so solid right now, but Im sure Hasu will be well prepared too, so hope for a close PvP
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
April 26 2011 09:37 GMT
#44
All of them are so well-mannered and nice guys that deserve the final win. I really don't have a favourite now that MC, qxc and Boxer are out
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
April 26 2011 09:47 GMT
#45
Nani fighting!
Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
April 26 2011 10:01 GMT
#46
I really hope for a ThorZaIN vs. NaNiwa finals ^^ A Bo7 between them could possibly even overshawod Thorzain vs MC series (hoping it goes to the 7th match :D )

Also: Thorzain, if you are reading this, than feel confident that you can take on Kas! Cheering for you!
Frozzen
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden73 Posts
April 26 2011 10:04 GMT
#47
thanks to my parents


Kas, showing us what's important
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DOOMy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark85 Posts
April 26 2011 10:10 GMT
#48
Go ThorZaiN!
pedduck
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Thailand468 Posts
April 26 2011 10:16 GMT
#49
On April 26 2011 15:11 heyoka wrote:
Prae.ThorZaiN
Post-game Interview

Q: You went for your thor strategy in game 5. Did you see MC hallucinate the Immortals? How did you target down the non-hallucinated ones so well?

When you have vision over his hallucinated units with detection, the SC2 AI automatically ignores them and focuses on the real units instead. His mistake was letting me see that he hallucinated some units right before the fight. It seems like a pretty clever thing to do, since this strategy depends on strike cannoning his immortals, and if there are 10+ of them, that's not very easy. So I just kept scanning during the fight.

When I have vision over his hallucinated units with detection, the SC2 AI automatically ignores them and focuses on the real units instead.


Never know that before!!
That's good to know!
Great series.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 26 2011 10:17 GMT
#50
really happy too see hasu have such a big success!

I know about him longer than i know boxer :D
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 10:19:33
April 26 2011 10:18 GMT
#51
A little sad to hear Thorzain is not really confident in his TvT, I'm rooting pretty hard for him out of the players left now. =/ But hopefully he can bring it up to above Kas-level before they have to play.

Thorzain hwaiting!
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KimG
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway88 Posts
April 26 2011 10:26 GMT
#52
Thorzain <3
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
April 26 2011 10:27 GMT
#53
Thorzain said he needs to practise TvT like crazy because its his worst matchup (i guess it was 40% winrate at TL-stats).
And hell, thats what he really needs to do. Otherwise Kas gonna rape him! He is just a sick TvT beast.
I think matchup-wise this game will be even harder than the mc-game! but he is so damn talented, i will root for him with all i got!
eu talents fighting !
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Lotsa_Spaghetti
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany50 Posts
April 26 2011 10:43 GMT
#54
Kas a TvT beast? i remember a game against GoOdy in a Go4Sc2-Cup final where Kas opted to go for a stim timing push
... and forgot to research stim!
he attacked his opponent and you could literally see him mashing the stim button but nothing happened. he lost his force and instantly researched stim.
he later won the game because goody played bio though...

jokes aside, Kas is indeed a huge favourite in this matchup though thorzain really impressed me.
nice interviews. may the best one win.
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xynki
Profile Joined April 2011
Ukraine50 Posts
April 26 2011 10:52 GMT
#55
Kas is top1 TvT in ELO rank right now. That says something.
But I look forward to 3:2 games for more satisfaction from them. =)
Talanthalos
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany153 Posts
April 26 2011 11:12 GMT
#56
4/4 players in the semi come from wc3. nice.

also: gogog hasu!!!
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
April 26 2011 11:13 GMT
#57
Kas is Terran which I already said is my worst match up, but that means that I will have to practice it. If I play against him, I will have a reason to actually practice TvT like I've never practiced before.

I love this attitude from ThorZaIN. It's definitely clear from his games that he's the sort of player who prepares very well for every matchup.

TSL3 is just so ridiculously awesome every week. I'm sad that there's going to be a week break, but the semis should be great. I'm excited!
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
April 26 2011 11:23 GMT
#58
Good Interviews !

Naniwa becomes more and more good mannered, i like !

Good Semifinals:
Kas, the machine
Thorzain, the smart guy
Naniwa, the phoenix
HasuObs, the ... undead ?
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
April 26 2011 11:27 GMT
#59
Naaani Boomaye! Naani Boomaye! Naaani Boomaye!!
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
April 26 2011 11:44 GMT
#60
When you have vision over his hallucinated units with detection, the SC2 AI automatically ignores them and focuses on the real units instead. His mistake was letting me see that he hallucinated some units right before the fight. It seems like a pretty clever thing to do, since this strategy depends on strike cannoning his immortals, and if there are 10+ of them, that's not very easy. So I just kept scanning during the fight.

When I have vision over his hallucinated units with detection, the SC2 AI automatically ignores them and focuses on the real units instead.

It's almost the same sentence, i think it's a mistake?

Anyway, great interviews and i am looking forward to semifinal matches :D they will be extremely interesting :O
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hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 26 2011 11:47 GMT
#61
I like Naniwa's answers, he sounds like a psycho killer or something :D:D
Would love to see him vs MC
Aran
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands21 Posts
April 26 2011 11:52 GMT
#62
Really hoping that it doesn't end with a PvP finals. Those are nearly always disappointing with 8 minute matches and 4gate battles
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
April 26 2011 11:54 GMT
#63
Never thought id see 4 wc3 players in the semi's of an (ex) BW tournament!!! wc3 fighting!

hope for thorzain to win it! Bring on the ThorPaIN!!!!!
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shoJu
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden30 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 11:54:37
April 26 2011 11:54 GMT
#64
On April 26 2011 20:52 Aran wrote:
Really hoping that it doesn't end with a PvP finals. Those are nearly always disappointing with 8 minute matches and 4gate battles



Your in luck since the semifinals are a TvT and a PvP so a PvP finals is quite impossible good sir!
Perfection is hard to improve
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
April 26 2011 12:27 GMT
#65
Great to see all of my favorite players win their matches.
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
April 26 2011 12:30 GMT
#66
I have a hard time imagining Thorzain taking out Kas, but then again i said the same thing before the MC games. I like the fact that he studies his opponents so intensely, but i really like Kas as well.
I really don't know who to root for, all four are so good players, and seem so well mannered.
All four really deserve their top-4 spots, so I'm guaranteed that the finals are going to be epic no matter what.
What a player
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
April 26 2011 12:31 GMT
#67
Naniwa is stopping to be the once fan-hated player, and is becoming a respected player in the community, very nice, I think we'll see a Kas vs Naniwa finals, I hope so!!!
Thanks for interviews!!
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Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
April 26 2011 12:37 GMT
#68
Such insane games! Unfortunetly i watched the Thorzain/MC VODs first, and chill spoiled the Kas/adellscott game for me... :<
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Chillz
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada100 Posts
April 26 2011 12:49 GMT
#69
I just started following TSL3 now and I started looking at the TSL3 brackets along with the open qualifiers from the beginning. It's amazing that the people doing all the winning are those that won in the open tournaments.

To have only 1 drop out in the round of 32, 2 in the round of 16 and 1 more in the round of 8 is simply amazing. Having a final 4 consisting solely of open qualifier winners is even more amazing, and all former Warcraft 3 players at that!
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
April 26 2011 12:55 GMT
#70
I feel every player deserves his spot in the semis so much because they put insane amount of practice in their games. ThorZaIN for example didn't latter at all, he just played non stop custom games. This is something that get's me really really excitet! It creates top level games just like in the gsl. Over all tournament systems i feel this is the most rewarding for the best player.
I would love to see a ThorZaIN vs HasuObs final but i wouldn't mind kas vs naniwa either.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
April 26 2011 13:08 GMT
#71
Thorzain is definitely the underdog, its kind of funny that he's been the underdog every round, and even after knocking out MC, Tyler and Fruitdealer he is still the underdog.

I think its his builds that separate him from other Terrans and I feel like TvT is currently the least build dependent match up, because it will nearly always end up as tanks, marines and vikings and comes down to army positioning rather than composition. That said he clearly puts a huge amount of effort into preparing specifically for each match, and if anyone can come up with some really good TvT builds its Thorzain.
Cyberpansy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States24 Posts
April 26 2011 13:08 GMT
#72
I find it interesting that MC seems to be inspiring so many players to work so hard to beat him.
SasukeStreams
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands174 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 13:30:12
April 26 2011 13:28 GMT
#73
4 Warcraft III players in the semi-finals. Makes my heart fill with joy =) Take that stupid broodwar wannabe elitists!

I am just hoping for Hasuobs to make it to the finals and I don't really care too much who wins the Thorzain/Kas match as they are both great players. What's funny is that Naniwa and Hasuobs (both Undead players in Warcraft III) are duking it out in a protoss mirror, and the two former Human players Thorzain and Kas will play a Terran mirror =)

Anyway, gogo Hasuobs, give us awesome games like the game against Grubby at IeSF.
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
April 26 2011 13:31 GMT
#74
I still think MC's the best player in the world but respect to ThorZaIN. I was also rooting for Boxer but respect as well to Hasuobs. MC going to the Up/Down of GSL depresses me though.

Respect to the winners including Naniwa and Kas. I'm glad that SC2 success is not a Korean only affair although I'm still a little more fond of the Korean players, I agree with Artosis when he said that the spread of success could make SC2 a lot more dynamic to follow.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
DeKk
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland15 Posts
April 26 2011 13:31 GMT
#75
Amazing games. I screamed like a girl when HasuObs played with BoxeR. I think I even prefer TSL more than GSL. Seems like here is a lot more macro oriented games (and maybe this is Koreans weak spot )
What has been seen cannot be unseen 0_o
BatCat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Austria630 Posts
April 26 2011 13:32 GMT
#76
Jesus, TvT vs Kas is a death sentence
I like both of them very much, but I feel like ThorZaIN would have the edge in the finals, because of his TvP practice.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
April 26 2011 13:49 GMT
#77
@ DeKk - I kind of disagree with macro being Korean's weak spot.

Come on, I mean NaDa for one? He won BW on macro credentials.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 26 2011 13:54 GMT
#78
On April 26 2011 16:41 DisaFear wrote:
Wait what, semis already? Nooo
Have no idea who to go for, none of these guys incite anything in me

Probably HasuObs. Hey you, Hasu, go go go


I have it exactly the other way around.
I have rooted for all 4 of them from the start, even during the qualifiers.
So I'm very happy.

Between those 4 I have to root for Thorzain though.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 14:16:47
April 26 2011 14:15 GMT
#79
On April 26 2011 22:08 Eufouria wrote:
Thorzain is definitely the underdog, its kind of funny that he's been the underdog every round, and even after knocking out MC, Tyler and Fruitdealer he is still the underdog.

I think its his builds that separate him from other Terrans and I feel like TvT is currently the least build dependent match up, because it will nearly always end up as tanks, marines and vikings and comes down to army positioning rather than composition. That said he clearly puts a huge amount of effort into preparing specifically for each match, and if anyone can come up with some really good TvT builds its Thorzain.


Yeah that actually is funny. Beating three world class players and still being the underdog.

That said, Kas isn't unbeatable and if Thorzain can get is TvT together somehow I think we could get an tight serie.
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Guthix
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
April 26 2011 14:22 GMT
#80
Kas vs Thorzain will be a great match.
Naniwa fighting!
DX_4
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany180 Posts
April 26 2011 14:33 GMT
#81
On April 26 2011 18:30 havox_ wrote:
Great answers from all players this time
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:56 Rabiator wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:32 Beyonder wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:11 Rabiator wrote:
Just one question:

Is there anyone who still has a correct bracket from the contest?

I think there is one guy that correctly predicted these semis

Maybe his girlfriend made it because the names are nice ... :p

Haha, so true, cant see any other option how anybody could have predicted these semis - although all 4 players def deserve to be there based on their awesome matches, no doubt about that

ThorZain played fantastic, but don't see him beating Kas in a TvT...
Nani is so solid right now, but Im sure Hasu will be well prepared too, so hope for a close PvP

Well, my bracket did get completely wrecked - but the games have been so fantastic to watch that I don't mind it in the slightest

If I could only make my mind up about whom to cheer for ... all four showed great play thus far, if I had to pick one I would probably go with Thorzain purely for the "OMG" factor.
Noone really seemed to have him on the radar before the TSL started, discussions and predictions were mostly centered around the big fish.
Then again, the same goes for Kas to an extent and his TvT is absolutely scary and on the highest level; Thorzain better practice hard for this one, I am hoping for an equally fantastic series as his matches against MC.

Hasu vs Naniwa looks like your average PvP on paper, a.k.a. not as interesting as other matchups (at least to me personally).
However, I do feel as if we are in for a surprise here and a true nailbiter.
Overall, can't wait for the weekend !

Fantastic recap again, will treat myself with a few of the VODs later
There is no spoon
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
April 26 2011 14:34 GMT
#82
On April 26 2011 23:22 Lumbridge wrote:
Kas vs Thorzain will be a great match.


i realy doubt unless thorzain prepares REALY WELL, its gonna be ez for Kas.
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Rumeye
Profile Joined March 2011
Romania17 Posts
April 26 2011 14:35 GMT
#83
I voted for ThorZaIN in every match he played until now . But going TvT against Kas is just impossible for him. His tvt sucks balls compared to his other matchups while Kas' tvt is insane. He pulled off enough upsets for one tournament, I really think this will be it for him.
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drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
April 26 2011 14:43 GMT
#84
holy crap, just watched the hasu-boxer VODs - so gosu. amazing protoss positioning play, i haven't seen that before :o
@nowSimon
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
April 26 2011 14:44 GMT
#85
Great interviews! Fantastic job all involved.

HasuObs is so likable and manner, I'm a big fan!
/German bias
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
April 26 2011 14:44 GMT
#86
Great Interviews!

Despite THorzains games vs MC being amazing, I really think this will be a much more uphill fight, Kas already displayed vs NaDa that his TvT is in superb shape.

I'm rooting for Hasu, although PvP can go either way, on the plus side we're sure to not have a mirror-matchup finals!
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nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
April 26 2011 14:45 GMT
#87
On April 26 2011 22:28 Sasuke[twR] wrote:
4 Warcraft III players in the semi-finals. Makes my heart fill with joy =) Take that stupid broodwar wannabe elitists!

I am just hoping for Hasuobs to make it to the finals and I don't really care too much who wins the Thorzain/Kas match as they are both great players. What's funny is that Naniwa and Hasuobs (both Undead players in Warcraft III) are duking it out in a protoss mirror, and the two former Human players Thorzain and Kas will play a Terran mirror =)

Anyway, gogo Hasuobs, give us awesome games like the game against Grubby at IeSF.



actually almost no one has been talking shit about wc3 background recently, it was only way back in the beta. from someone like you who was known in the wc3 community im surprised you'd stoop to the level of the 'broodwar wannabe elitists'

about the race thing, that is interesting though. i'd say that pvp is a lot like undead mirror, people say you can't compare the races, which is correct. but imo, you can compare matchups.

pvp is very similar to ud mirror -- very hard, if not impossible (with equal play by both sides) to expand at least for a long time, one base strong army micro-intensive fights. game comes down to the fights 100%.

tvt is very similar to human mirror -- lots of things are viable, mass expos are viable, greedy play is the norm, long drawn out games, decisionmaking is key in breaking stalemate situations
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weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2061 Posts
April 26 2011 15:01 GMT
#88
THORZAIN FTW!!!
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Papp996
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden9 Posts
April 26 2011 15:04 GMT
#89
4 awesome players, however I think Naniwa is the best players in the world in PvP (him and MC) and now when he reached the semi-finals he will prepare a lot.
Reading his interview, he didn't really prepare for Cruncher, and he was relieved that he won because he was one game away from elimination due to slack on the preparation.
He will not do that mistake again, and I think we got a 3-0 win from Nani.
No disrespect to Hasu, I just think a motivated Naniwa in PvP is close to impossible to beat right now.

Thorzain, I almost hope he is a lot worse in TvT because he is a God in TvP. But seriously, you don't practise TvT for a week and beat Kas, it is as simple as that. Kas winning 3-0 or 3-1. But I hope Thorzain will create an upset. Him vs Naniwa in the finals.....Bo7, that would give me the chills.

So I predict Naniwa vs Kas finals. Going 6 or 7 games and I got no clue who will win that one. Maybe a small edge for Naniwa due to just winning another big one, but it will be close.
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dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
April 26 2011 15:21 GMT
#90

So I predict Naniwa vs Kas finals. Going 6 or 7 games and I got no clue who will win that one. Maybe a small edge for Naniwa due to just winning another big one, but it will be close.


If it comes to a Kas vs Naniwa final it will be very one sided. Kas has TvP as his weakest and Naniwa as his best matchup. Kas shred through CG and got roflstomped in the final 0:4 by MC. I already celebrate Naniwa's victory. The only one standing in his way is Hasu.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
April 26 2011 15:30 GMT
#91
On April 26 2011 23:34 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 23:22 Lumbridge wrote:
Kas vs Thorzain will be a great match.


i realy doubt unless thorzain prepares REALY WELL, its gonna be ez for Kas.


I wouldnt count out Thorzain in that match. Kas is a TvT beast, but we all saw what Thorzain can achieve if he practices and prepares for something!
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mamuto
Profile Joined September 2010
United States88 Posts
April 26 2011 15:38 GMT
#92
That game four on Taldarim between MC and Thorzain is one of the best games I've ever seen. This is why I love starcraft, this is why TSL3 is awesome. Thanks to both the players and the tourney people for making it possible for us to watch such a great spectacle.
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
April 26 2011 15:44 GMT
#93
Great read. I dont know whom to cheer for from now on. The remaining players are all very skilled and seem to be type of really hardworking pro-gamer i really love to support.
[Atomic]Peace
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States451 Posts
April 26 2011 15:47 GMT
#94
Thorzain has been a hero so far, but TvT is his worst and Kas' best. It will be a tough match for him (but imagine how crazy everyone will go if Thorzain can pull it off).
☢
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
April 26 2011 15:48 GMT
#95
On April 27 2011 00:21 dubRa wrote:
Show nested quote +

So I predict Naniwa vs Kas finals. Going 6 or 7 games and I got no clue who will win that one. Maybe a small edge for Naniwa due to just winning another big one, but it will be close.


If it comes to a Kas vs Naniwa final it will be very one sided. Kas has TvP as his weakest and Naniwa as his best matchup. Kas shred through CG and got roflstomped in the final 0:4 by MC. I already celebrate Naniwa's victory. The only one standing in his way is Hasu.

yes, Kas played bad in the final, but he is also known for choking at LANs. He is still one of the best TvP players in Europe. He also won the last 2 BO3 against Naniwa (TLOpen and Black Dragon League).

Playing the finals after being 12 hours at a LAN is totally different to a specific match he can prepare for.

I'm pretty sure that Kas can win against Naniwa.
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
April 26 2011 16:01 GMT
#96
I hope thorzain can overcome kas, i really want a naniwa vs thorzain final to bring some epic games (i still respect all the final 4 players immensely they are so good)
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 26 2011 16:05 GMT
#97
Hoping for a HasuObs vs Thorzain final.
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mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
April 26 2011 16:09 GMT
#98
lol all WC3 Players left in the tournament, who says they are not as good?

I think it will be Kas vs Naniwa in the finals, but the winner would be hard to call.
MKP||TSL
Keidy
Profile Joined June 2009
253 Posts
April 26 2011 16:14 GMT
#99
Kas vs Naniwa final would be an epic ending to an epic tourney.

But if Thorzain want to continue to upset, i wouldnt mind at all.

Go go Sweden hwaiting!
aeoliant
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada361 Posts
April 26 2011 16:17 GMT
#100
wow i don't think anyone would have predicted this final 4 its super exciting, congrats to all the players!
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
April 26 2011 16:17 GMT
#101
Kas and Thorzain feels like the finals before the finals

Go terran!
Nagumo
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany14 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 16:20:35
April 26 2011 16:19 GMT
#102
Round of 32:
Thorzain vs. Fruitdealer --> Everybody in and outside of Korea was sure Thorzaine had no chance

Round of 16:
Thorzaine vs. Tyler --> Tyler the TSL2 Champion, no chance for that "little Kid" (little Kid like Artosis called him)

Round of 8:
Thorzaine vs. MC --> MC the propably best Player in the World (at the moment) can't lose

Now "little Thorzaine" is up against Kas and nobody could believe he has a chance.

I only say: I believe in this "little Kid", cause on battlefield he is big like a Thor.......
alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
April 26 2011 16:30 GMT
#103
It's a weird situation...Thorzain has weak TvT but strong TvP. Kas has strong TvT but weak TvP. So if Kas wins as expected, he's going to be the underdog in the finals, but if the underdog wins the quarters, he's going to be the favourite to win the whole thing!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 26 2011 16:31 GMT
#104
Or that semi-final can be very lackluster and then a one-sided final. :/
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
April 26 2011 16:32 GMT
#105
i want a nani vs thorzain final so bad... but kas is favored greatly and hasu has some sick PvP. one can only hope.
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asdfTT123
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States989 Posts
April 26 2011 16:37 GMT
#106
I hope to see nani vs thorzain in the finals - anything else and I will be disappointed..
n.Die_Jaedong <3
Danika
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico112 Posts
April 26 2011 16:48 GMT
#107
hasuobs i love you <3
If life turns her back on you, grab her ass.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25973 Posts
April 26 2011 16:59 GMT
#108
These are all really great interviews.

I have a seriously unhealthy mancrush on Thorzain and may have to go to NY if he is there.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25973 Posts
April 26 2011 17:00 GMT
#109
On April 26 2011 23:34 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 23:22 Lumbridge wrote:
Kas vs Thorzain will be a great match.


i realy doubt unless thorzain prepares REALY WELL, its gonna be ez for Kas.

Shut your dirty mouth!!!!!!!!!!
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Psyqo
Profile Joined November 2007
United States401 Posts
April 26 2011 17:02 GMT
#110
I want to see Naniwa in the finals and ultimately win TSL3. Is it too much for me to want an SC2 bonjwa already?
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
April 26 2011 17:05 GMT
#111
On April 27 2011 01:59 Chill wrote:
I have a seriously unhealthy mancrush on Thorzain and may have to go to NY if he is there.

You want to cheer him up after he lost to Hasu or what? :p

Hasu <3
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
April 26 2011 17:32 GMT
#112
If Kas doesn't choke (which usually is only the case on LANs) he is the clear favorite. His TvT is super beastly and he is overall top 3 in EU atm. He was even able to beat Goody when he was Europe's TvT god last month
Doesn't matter to me who wins tho, I think both deserve it. But Kas doesn't get the hype he deserves, so I'll be cheering for him a little.

Hasu vs Naniwa is impossible to predict. Both have very good micro, both are very strategic, both stay very calm under stress and it's PvP. Naniwa is considered to have one of the best PvP's atm, but Hasu will probably train with Socke and Mana from his team.
I'm cheering for Hasu
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ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
April 26 2011 17:36 GMT
#113
How good is Thorzain's TvT?
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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
April 26 2011 17:42 GMT
#114
awesome interviews and great matches. sad that all koreans are out, but they went out in big games so I can't be too depressed about that haha. guaranteed t v p final, gonna be interesting!
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
April 26 2011 17:44 GMT
#115
From watching Day9, I became a huge AdelScott fan. Can't wait to see him after this new patch. Hopefully we see his macro style play change up as the update comes out.
ponyo.848
Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
April 26 2011 17:46 GMT
#116
The games were just epic <.< I still can't believe all the koreans seeds got knocked out. If people were looking for proof of talent in SC2 outside Korea. :D
Too tired to come up with something witty.
Clannadxd
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden13 Posts
April 26 2011 17:47 GMT
#117
swedish final please
loli
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 26 2011 17:53 GMT
#118
On April 27 2011 02:36 ppshchik wrote:
How good is Thorzain's TvT?

Not on the level of his TvP, or even TvZ
But I think he's shown an ability to really prepare well for his games, and he's been considered the underdog in all of them. People didn't expect his TvP to be as good as it turned out to be, he's been the underdog in all his matches, so we'll see.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
April 26 2011 18:16 GMT
#119
4 really nice interviews, I would be fine with any of this player winning TSL3. I'm going to cheer for Hasu though
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
April 26 2011 18:46 GMT
#120
Kas's TvT is incredibly scary making Thorzain the underdog (again, seriously when is he not) but I think we'll be seeing a lot of people pulling hard for ThorZain anyways. That series against MC featured, without a doubt, the best TvP of all SC2.
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Keype
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden455 Posts
April 26 2011 18:53 GMT
#121
NANIWA FIGHTING!:D This will be some series to remember! epic games incoming!
Tornado Terran Fighting!
Poo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada536 Posts
April 26 2011 18:55 GMT
#122
I think that the upcoming match with thorzain vs kas is going to be amazing. People are counting thorzain out because his 'TvT is not that good'.. Sorry guys, but people counted him out PvT vs Tyler and he proved us all wrong. I'm looking forward to him proving the haters wrong.
Try hard or don't try at all.
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
April 26 2011 18:58 GMT
#123
Thanks for the interviews! cant wait for the next round.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
April 26 2011 19:22 GMT
#124
What an epic round, I really want Thorzain to take down the whole thing now!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 26 2011 19:47 GMT
#125
It's nice to see Naniwa control himself more in Interview.
He used to be quite wild. :<
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 20:15:14
April 26 2011 20:15 GMT
#126
I'm going to put my money on Thorzain. He has had some brilliant games.
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CidO
Profile Joined June 2010
United States695 Posts
April 26 2011 20:16 GMT
#127
I hate to announce myself as a fan of ThorZaiN since the TSL is going on, i wouldn't want to jinx him (i sometimes can have that affect cheering for people like wheat cheers on ret), but i'm secretly a fan of him now :D

And I guess this concludes any possibilities of "Koreans Beat White Guys" happening again.
:P
Mechwarrior
Profile Joined April 2011
United States76 Posts
April 26 2011 20:42 GMT
#128
Thorzain vs MC was the highlight of my weekend.

I'm betting money on a Thorzain vs. Naniwa finals from what I have seen so far, but these match ups look so good.
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
April 26 2011 20:45 GMT
#129
On April 27 2011 03:55 Stealthypoo wrote:
I think that the upcoming match with thorzain vs kas is going to be amazing. People are counting thorzain out because his 'TvT is not that good'.. Sorry guys, but people counted him out PvT vs Tyler and he proved us all wrong. I'm looking forward to him proving the haters wrong.


Its not hate, its statistics...
And its Kas...
I myself hope for a Thorzain win, but he has to go like no-life practice to do that imho
/answer

Its so cool that no matter what the finals wont be a mirror match
Also, I'm happy that europeans are owning^^
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
April 26 2011 20:50 GMT
#130
On April 27 2011 02:44 Ponyo wrote:
From watching Day9, I became a huge (P)Adelscott fan. Can't wait to see him after this new patch. Hopefully we see his macro style play change up as the update comes out.

Ummm, you do realize he lost his series, right?


On topic, A PvT finals guaranteed is awesome. I want (T)ThorZaIN to beat (T)Kas, but it seems unlikely. Then again, I've said that about every other (T)ThorZaIN TSL game, and I've been wrong every time, so who

I think (P)NaNiwa's PvP is really good, but so is (P)HasuObs, so I can't really predict who will win. Anything can happen in a PvP.

Also, (P)NaNiwa's interview was a few words away from being as BM as (Z)IdrA's, for a second I was worried. It's nice to see him being so mature.

(I really like the TLPD button)
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
ZooG
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden618 Posts
April 26 2011 21:00 GMT
#131
C'mon Nani and ThorZaIN make TSL3 a all Swedish final!
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mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
April 26 2011 21:17 GMT
#132
Not only are all four semifinalists former War3 players, but they're also all players who qualified by winning TLOpens. Overall it seems like people who won the qualifiers have done much better than invitees or those who qualified on points. I suppose that this sort of makes sense: people who won online qualifiers are better prepared to compete in a mostly online tournament.

That said, TSL3 has been awesome so far, with excellent games from established players as well as nobodies. I'm sad that all my favorite players have been eliminated by now, but the remaining players are obviously really good. Lots of great interviews (both in the questions and in the answers) -- glad to see NaNiWa's very mannered response to the CrunCher question, haha.
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
April 26 2011 21:34 GMT
#133
On April 27 2011 03:55 Stealthypoo wrote:
I think that the upcoming match with thorzain vs kas is going to be amazing. People are counting thorzain out because his 'TvT is not that good'.. Sorry guys, but people counted him out PvT vs Tyler and he proved us all wrong. I'm looking forward to him proving the haters wrong.

PvT was still his strongest MU by miles before he faced Tyler. It's not the same, especially because the upset you predict to happen hasn't happened yet. He "proved us wrong" vs Tyler because PvT was and still is his best.
MKP||TSL
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
April 26 2011 21:42 GMT
#134
Am I the only one who finds it odd, yet cool, that Naniwa has gone from being a BMer and rager on par with Idra, to a calm, collected, gracious winner? I'm glad he sorted whatever it was that was eating him because it's turned him into an incredible player.

Congrats to Hasu, Kas, and Thorzain as well. Their wins are well deserved...especially Thorzain's.
I'm a noob
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
April 26 2011 21:45 GMT
#135
winners are all deserving. final is guaranteed to be tvp too, one of (if not) the best matchup for watching right now!
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Nifel
Profile Joined June 2010
706 Posts
April 26 2011 21:50 GMT
#136
On April 27 2011 06:42 awwnuts07 wrote:
Am I the only one who finds it odd, yet cool, that Naniwa has gone from being a BMer and rager on par with Idra, to a calm, collected, gracious winner? I'm glad he sorted whatever it was that was eating him because it's turned him into an incredible player.

Yeah it's a cool story (for real, heh). From what I've heard he's had it pretty rough, so seeing him rise above all that and end up being one of the very best SC2 players (bet he won't rest until he's the without doubt very best though) is pretty legendary.

WrentheFaceless
Profile Joined March 2011
United States33 Posts
April 26 2011 21:59 GMT
#137
Was good of Nani to show Cruncher some respect on the interview. Making it to the RO8 and drawing the series out to 5 games, Cruncher deserved it since being dragged through the mud for his win against Idra.

Looking forward to a Nani/Thor final
pHelix Equilibria
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1134 Posts
April 26 2011 22:32 GMT
#138
I was expecting Naniwa to say to question 1 would be: "It was okay."
Good interviews!
PoopLord
Profile Joined May 2010
537 Posts
April 26 2011 22:33 GMT
#139
I want to see Thorzain vs Naniwa!!!
Dragnus
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico19 Posts
April 26 2011 22:37 GMT
#140
Those are some great interviews!!
loved the 4th game between MC vs Thorzain

I want Naniwa vs Thorzain for the final!!!!!!
MintMilk
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom6 Posts
April 26 2011 22:56 GMT
#141
I'd love to see Thorzain vs. Naniwa in the final, I just can't see it happening though. Of course I also thought he'd never be able to beat MC either, even after beating Tyler, so I hope I'm wrong. I just think Kas' TvT might just be too good. In a way I feel like this match may decide the overall winner, Thorzain's TvP is obviously incredible, whereas I wouldn't say Kas' was on the same level, so if he loses it could be there for Naniwa/HasuObs to lose.

I expect the other semi-final to be like most PvPs, incredibly tense, yet also brief. As a Protoss player I quite like it, provided it doesn't turn into a 4gate war. Knowing that even a little mistake can cost someone the game makes every single battle matter. I still expect Naniwa to win though, but maybe not comfortably.
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
April 26 2011 23:08 GMT
#142
I want to see an epic FFA with these four guys.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
April 26 2011 23:22 GMT
#143
Kas TvT is godly, Nada didnt have a chance to win and he is good at TvT. I dont think Thorzain will take a game from Kas.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
April 26 2011 23:34 GMT
#144
I think Naniwa is going to win TSL. Thorzain is the only one who can stop him imo.

Though HasuObs has shown what a solid player he is, so you can't count him out. No matter what though, all 4 of these guys are super cool+nice, so I don't mind seeing any of them win.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 26 2011 23:41 GMT
#145
It would be a real shame if Thorzain lost to Kas badly because his tvt sucks, when he was such a hero against the protoss.

Also,
I think its FAR more professional and fun to play than the European tournaments


I was taken aback by that! good to hear. Seems like the players have nothing but good things to say about MLG
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
April 26 2011 23:41 GMT
#146
All these players are soooooooooo gooooooooood! I want all of them to be winners ^^

<3 Naniwa as always. I was really impressed by Hasu's PvT as well, he was so good at being active with his units. And Thorzain v Kas is gonna be epic too ^^
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tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
April 26 2011 23:54 GMT
#147
I hope it's not a PvP finals, or if it is that it come after the patch.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 00:11:54
April 27 2011 00:11 GMT
#148
On April 27 2011 08:54 tsuxiit wrote:
I hope it's not a PvP finals, or if it is that it come after the patch.

it's impossible, finals will be TvP
Silver777
Profile Joined March 2010
United States347 Posts
April 27 2011 00:12 GMT
#149
On April 27 2011 08:54 tsuxiit wrote:
I hope it's not a PvP finals, or if it is that it come after the patch.


You never read the original post apparently.........please read the original post before posting.....
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 27 2011 00:49 GMT
#150
Naniwa should beat Hasu. Not to take anything away from Hasu, but Nani seems to be in some sort of zen like beast mode.
The TvT semi will I think decide what happens in the final (as if it couldn't normally).
Kas' TvT is amazing but Thorzain's TvP is of equal calibre.
If Kas wins, then I feel like Nani will roll the final.
If Thorzain somehow manages to win, then the final should be amazing. Either way, I don't think I can wait this long.
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mixXanber
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
April 27 2011 00:58 GMT
#151
Kas to 3:0 thorzain, then sweep the finals!
Ridiculisk
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia191 Posts
April 27 2011 01:06 GMT
#152
Woohoo! Prae.ThorZaiN > oGsMC.

Go go ThorZaiN!
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kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
April 27 2011 01:19 GMT
#153
TSL3 Finals Thorzain vs Naniwa please, I don't think I would be excited about any other matchup
OSM.OneManArmy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States509 Posts
April 27 2011 01:25 GMT
#154
Thorzain is my idle... I just wish a zerg would have made it into the Ro4... >.> Watching TvZ is my fav match-up. But i suck terribly at it >.>
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Circos
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom115 Posts
April 27 2011 02:09 GMT
#155
HasuObs is definitely nice guy of the year.
I saw the angel within the marble, and I carved until it was free.
-FoX
Profile Joined November 2010
United States479 Posts
April 27 2011 02:57 GMT
#156
Sad to see the Emperor go down but all these players are wonderful and I cannot wait to see more TSL games! Terran fighting!
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4121 Posts
April 27 2011 03:20 GMT
#157
As a bw player I feel kinda sad that only ex wc3 players are remaining lol.

Thorzain and Hasuobs both sound like nice guys though, will be rooting for them!
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
April 27 2011 03:34 GMT
#158
down to the 4 europeans, why was mc in denmark anyway?
Contrail
Profile Joined October 2004
38 Posts
April 27 2011 03:54 GMT
#159
All WC3 players in TSL semifinals.

rofl.
All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us... they cant get away this time. - Lieutenant General Lewis B.Chesty Puller
Jeremyy
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada182 Posts
April 27 2011 04:46 GMT
#160
So now it's 4 ex-wc3 players left in the tourny... sup?
Where's the pleasure in that?
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1986 Posts
April 27 2011 07:26 GMT
#161
The people saying Kas is notorious for choking at LAN are being unfair. He has played two. First one he lost after winning his group, the second he smashed his way to the final before being beaten by the best player in the world. This was after playing for 12+ hrs two days in a row also, something which people cope with very differently. As for the two semi-finals i think they will both be one-sided in favour of Kas and Nani. That final would be awesome, ironic too because it was the #1 qualifier final.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 13:19:46
April 27 2011 13:17 GMT
#162
On April 27 2011 00:30 Mithriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 23:34 whiteLotus wrote:
On April 26 2011 23:22 Lumbridge wrote:
Kas vs Thorzain will be a great match.


i realy doubt unless thorzain prepares REALY WELL, its gonna be ez for Kas.


I wouldnt count out Thorzain in that match. Kas is a TvT beast, but we all saw what Thorzain can achieve if he practices and prepares for something!


While that is true, ThorZaIN was already a beast in tvp and only needed to further improve. His TvT however, is quite weak compared to his other MUs and it's Kas' best. When you read Kas' interviews (at least for me) you get the impression that he wont be arrogant and underestimate his opponents and have great work ethics (check his season 1 ladder O_O.) I REALLY do not think him practicing his heart out for 1 week will win him a TvT bo5 against top1 ELO tvt monster that is Kas, do you think Kas WONT practices his heart out? Im pretty sure he will.

Perhaps if it was something like a PvZ with someone like Cruncher.. and idk... maybe Idra, it could be the case ^_^

Edit: 3-1 Kas & 3-0 NaNi
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Shaithis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States383 Posts
April 27 2011 16:24 GMT
#163
Kas should beat ThorZain (although I will be rooting for both!). I can't help but feel like there could not possibly be a more difficult opponent for ThorZain at this point than Kas.
-Risk-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 16:39:06
April 27 2011 16:38 GMT
#164
I feel like Kas will beat thorzain, even though Thorzain would do better against a protoss in the finals then Kas would do...
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Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
April 27 2011 17:23 GMT
#165
On April 28 2011 01:38 Risk_Player wrote:
I feel like Kas will beat thorzain, even though Thorzain would do better against a protoss in the finals then Kas would do...


Do people say that because Kas lost 4:0 to MC? Cause Kas doesn't have a bad TvP at all, he just chokes at LANs and didn't play his best. Yesterday Socke and Hasuobs agreed that Kas has the best TvP in Europe, better than Thorzain.
Kas' TvT is so sick and according to Darkforce and Socke, Thorzain had very good TvZ and TvP before the TSL but his TvT is just not good. So I don't see Thorzain winning a BO7 in a matchup that is so well developed.
Kas deserves it imo, he plays so much, every EU pro says he is the best European player, yet he doesn't get nearly as much attention and hype as he deserves. Plus he was very disappointed when he hasn't been chosen for NASL
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Papajan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States15 Posts
April 27 2011 18:27 GMT
#166
Thorzain is so much fun to watch, but I think he'll have a tougher time with Kas than MC. Then again, with the schedule he has ~2 weeks of practice. I'd love to see Thorzain vs Nani, but the level of play in TSL3 has been phenomenal and I'm sure I'll enjoy any finals matchup.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
April 27 2011 19:44 GMT
#167
On April 28 2011 02:23 Ragoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 01:38 Risk_Player wrote:
I feel like Kas will beat thorzain, even though Thorzain would do better against a protoss in the finals then Kas would do...


Do people say that because Kas lost 4:0 to MC? Cause Kas doesn't have a bad TvP at all, he just chokes at LANs and didn't play his best. Yesterday Socke and Hasuobs agreed that Kas has the best TvP in Europe, better than Thorzain.
Kas' TvT is so sick and according to Darkforce and Socke, Thorzain had very good TvZ and TvP before the TSL but his TvT is just not good. So I don't see Thorzain winning a BO7 in a matchup that is so well developed.
Kas deserves it imo, he plays so much, every EU pro says he is the best European player, yet he doesn't get nearly as much attention and hype as he deserves. Plus he was very disappointed when he hasn't been chosen for NASL

Totally agree. Kas is the best TvP and TvT player outside of Korea for some months now and one or two BO5s or BO3s doesn't change everything.
-Risk-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada164 Posts
April 27 2011 20:50 GMT
#168
On April 28 2011 04:44 vdale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 02:23 Ragoo wrote:
On April 28 2011 01:38 Risk_Player wrote:
I feel like Kas will beat thorzain, even though Thorzain would do better against a protoss in the finals then Kas would do...


Do people say that because Kas lost 4:0 to MC? Cause Kas doesn't have a bad TvP at all, he just chokes at LANs and didn't play his best. Yesterday Socke and Hasuobs agreed that Kas has the best TvP in Europe, better than Thorzain.
Kas' TvT is so sick and according to Darkforce and Socke, Thorzain had very good TvZ and TvP before the TSL but his TvT is just not good. So I don't see Thorzain winning a BO7 in a matchup that is so well developed.
Kas deserves it imo, he plays so much, every EU pro says he is the best European player, yet he doesn't get nearly as much attention and hype as he deserves. Plus he was very disappointed when he hasn't been chosen for NASL

Totally agree. Kas is the best TvP and TvT player outside of Korea for some months now and one or two BO5s or BO3s doesn't change everything.


Right now Kas and Thorzain are my favorite foreign players and i like both of them. I watched both of their ro8 series and i just feel like thorzain TvP is stronger (Imo Adelscott played really bad 2 games out of 4 and threw the games away by making bad decisions /// HasuObs/Naniwa will play better then this...). I totally agree that Kas TvT is way better then Thorzain's TvT tho...All i was trying to point out is what i stated earlier...It's not because Socke and Hasuobs say something that it's true heh.
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Profile Joined July 2010
United States50 Posts
April 27 2011 21:14 GMT
#169
I think the only thing you can gleam from all.wc3 players in the finals is that wc3 players are good at finding.and abusing all imbas and people with bw backgrounds are.still trying to use actuall mechanics to win. Sc2 fails. Going back to bw

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SasukeStreams
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands174 Posts
April 27 2011 21:46 GMT
#170
On April 28 2011 06:14 slip. wrote:
I think the only thing you can gleam from all.wc3 players in the finals is that wc3 players are good at finding.and abusing all imbas and people with bw backgrounds are.still trying to use actuall mechanics to win. Sc2 fails. Going back to bw


The only thing i can gleam from your comment is that you probably haven't seen any of the matches.
Papp996
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden9 Posts
April 28 2011 07:22 GMT
#171
On April 28 2011 02:23 Ragoo wrote:
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On April 28 2011 01:38 Risk_Player wrote:
I feel like Kas will beat thorzain, even though Thorzain would do better against a protoss in the finals then Kas would do...


Do people say that because Kas lost 4:0 to MC? Cause Kas doesn't have a bad TvP at all, he just chokes at LANs and didn't play his best. Yesterday Socke and Hasuobs agreed that Kas has the best TvP in Europe, better than Thorzain.
Kas' TvT is so sick and according to Darkforce and Socke, Thorzain had very good TvZ and TvP before the TSL but his TvT is just not good. So I don't see Thorzain winning a BO7 in a matchup that is so well developed.
Kas deserves it imo, he plays so much, every EU pro says he is the best European player, yet he doesn't get nearly as much attention and hype as he deserves. Plus he was very disappointed when he hasn't been chosen for NASL


I agree that Kas deserves the win the most. Not adding him for NASL was a big mistake, he is one of the best players out there. But Naniwa is too, he is just as good. And I believe Naniwa is favored in that matchup even though I would be love to see Kas win the entire thing. 2 equally skilled players, but Naniwa is in god-mode at the moment while Kas got destroyed in his last big TvP game.

Still hoping Hasu or Thorzain can bring some upsets, but I just think they are to far behind the competitors in the coming matchups.

Btw I predicted that Thorzain would beat MC. He is less known then the other players in the tourney, but his TvP IS world class. I didn't even see it as an big deal with him beathing MC, thats how good his TvP is. His TvT is far from strong though......and I bet he didn't practise a single TvT game for a month preparing for his previous opponents. If he takes one game from Kas I am surprised. Awesome interviews, awesome tournament. Can't wait for Ro4 !
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
April 28 2011 10:19 GMT
#172
wow congrats to hasu... I was sad that boxer lost, but you can't diss a guy who beat the emperor himself!
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FlowerBunny
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden187 Posts
May 05 2011 18:58 GMT
#173
The sad thing is that, Kas may win the round of 4 but wont win the final. But Thorzain will ez the final, but will loose the round of 4.....
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vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
May 06 2011 01:38 GMT
#174
On May 06 2011 03:58 sGDaevil wrote:
The sad thing is that, Kas may win the round of 4 but wont win the final. But Thorzain will ez the final, but will loose the round of 4.....

What makes you so sure about that? Many European top protoss players name Kas as the best TvP player in Europe. Sure, Kas lost against MC at a LAN, but Thorzain lost 2-0 to Nightend at the same weekend (also at a LAN) and Nightend lost to Kas some days ago in the Black Dragon League.
1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
May 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#175
thorzain vs naniwa is a dream final
At the top of the game, we play by diferent rules.
OnFire
Profile Joined July 2010
324 Posts
May 07 2011 12:15 GMT
#176
Lol, Naniwa calling crunchers playstyle "smart".
Sitting on 3 bases for 20 mins and then A moving across the map sure is smart.
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