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x89
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom276 Posts
March 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#141
I really respect the way you (TL) have handled this, asking pros to comment on the match and basing the verdict on that is fantastic.

I don't like that the disconnect happened but I do agree with the pros' opinions that BoxeR was in the lead at the time and it would have caused a shitstorm if there was a rematch and the game went the other way.
Hallowed are the Ori.
BlazingInferno
Profile Joined November 2010
India272 Posts
March 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#142
Words cannot show how much appreciation and respect Team Liquid would have gained because of this.

Sure people can say that the replay of the match is the easy way out. There are no criticisms, no doubts and no arguments. However, that will annoy the player who has got the obvious lead because he knows he had the game won. The same scenario happened in Tyler vs Painuser at MLG and a replay was decided which caused so much uproar.

The fact that there was no beating around the bush and a clear cut decision was taken is good enough. But the explanations provided in this thread is just outstanding. As someone has already said, each explanation is like a thesis and Nazgul also has a simulation attached which explains his decision.

Great job by the admins and the players on accepting the decision and moving on. Much respect for TL and TSL would've been gained by this.
LordofAscension
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States589 Posts
March 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#143
Nice transparency. Well done. Very professional. Major props.

~LoA
~WelCoMe tO My rEaLm SC:L - sclegacy.com
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
March 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#144
I really like the way you guys handled this. Extremely professional and I hope future tournaments follow your example. Agree 100% with the decision.
Taengoo ♥
tomoe251
Profile Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
March 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#145
On March 20 2011 06:04 localHero wrote:
are we seeing only replay or why it was written so fast ?


replay dude.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
March 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#146
Extremely classy by TL, BoxeR deserved the win too. So much transparency it's almost too much.
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
March 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#147
No complaints. It would be very easy to look at the game for 10 seconds and give the win in most situations, but the effort and impartiality shown here is fantastic. Great job everyone, especially to the professional players for giving a detailed reason for their opinion.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#148
While I don't think it happened here, I think it is kind of weird that some of the people chosen for the panel (MC, Tyler) are also in the tourney. While I think MC at least made the right decision here I could see something weird happening in the future where some panelist/player makes a decision in order to make the tournament easier for him. For example, if MC had thought that playing Nightend would have been easier than playing Boxer, he could have said to replay the game rather than giving Boxer the win, thereby increasing his chances in the tournament.

Once again, I don't think that he made the decision based on that but I do think that could be a problem in the future.
Krafty
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada109 Posts
March 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#149
very well handled
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#150
The steps taken by the staff to follow the rules and create a panel to vote is perfectly fine and I agree with their decision made as it was a decision that had to run through multiple layers in order to go through.

What I DO NOT AGREE WITH is the fact that Chill was actually whooping and hollering that Boxer got the win in game one. As a caster in front of 35,000 people, he should NOT be cheering for any decision based off of a disconnect, Day[9] was saying "It is unfortunate that a disconnect happened but the decision was made", that is the correct process to be taking as an unbiased caster but why is Chill cheering that Boxer got a win after he disconnected? This is mind bogglingly bad on his part.

I do think that, absolutely, the ruling made beforehand is very smart, to create a panel of similar raced players to take a vote that needs to be passed unanimously is smart, on the other hand, I think that, like some have earlier stated, that the panel should not consist of any players in the tournament, rather, top players outside of the TSL3 player pool who have the knowledge to make a decision (Nazgul is a good choice for example).

I am severely disappointed in how Chill reacted on stream to the decision, but so is the state of what happened.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#151
Watching it in the stream, I would've said that it was still open.
But I didn't realize that none of the phoenix (except two) had energy to lift off.
So, yeah. Good job and thanks for the long explanation.
Rising_Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States370 Posts
March 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#152
Thank you for the prompt response and the detailed reasons for giving the win to boxer. I hope the rest of the games go smoothly but any situations will be handled just as promptly.

Great Job TL, keep up the work!
Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man stupid and blind in the eyes
silentsaint
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany540 Posts
March 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#153
On March 20 2011 06:04 okum wrote:
My only complaint is that players in the tournament shouldn't be used as referees.


Good point.
There are enough great gamers or people with a high understanding of the game which are not qualified.
It really tied the room together.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 21:09:19
March 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#154
doing this with replays is better, you have a clear mind instead of doing it on the spot since its live.
IDK if this is done already, but you should send the replay without saying the game number

EDIT how long did they wait before they played the 2nd game?
Doraemon.doraemon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States335 Posts
March 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#155
I don't agree with the decision. But I have to respect the thoroughness and the transparency of the decision process.

Tough for Nightend...
Embryous
Profile Joined February 2011
42 Posts
March 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#156
It is sad that the disconnect happened. Anyway, thanks for leting us know why boxer won even with the disconnect.
Xax
Profile Joined December 2003
475 Posts
March 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#157
lol, even boxer's panel micro is gosu
Tossy64
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada33 Posts
March 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#158
On March 20 2011 06:04 okum wrote:
My only complaint is that players in the tournament shouldn't be used as referees.


What I said already. My emphatic suggestion for the future of TSL is to only have panel members who do not have conflict of interest like this.
ReactoR
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden72 Posts
March 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#159
I have full confidence in TL admins and this post reaffirms that.
imaROBOT
Profile Joined August 2010
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 21:10:48
March 19 2011 21:09 GMT
#160
Thanks for the explanation.

I do however feel like the decision was not a good one. You can list numbers all you want, but the truth is, you will never know if BoxeR might have made some mistake during the walk/attack toward Nightends third base.

You will never know 100% what the out come could have been, so I think it should clearly have been a regame. I honestly don't think it was a fair decision and put Nightend into a horrible mind set going into the next game.

It's just not fair to ASSUME that BoxeR would not have made some mistake, there was a possibility of a come back. Was it a small possibility, yes.

Also I do not understand how you can use PLAYERS IN THE TORUNY as a referee on the panel. How would there not be any bias, when you can decide who you want to play next/eventually in the toruny?
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