EPT[TSL] Day 1 Disconnect Situation - Page 11
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Sisko
United States121 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On March 20 2011 06:18 dtz wrote: Pretty sure the decision is made before that. Otherwise how will they know whether to play game 3 or not. I don't know when these games were played, but considering all the analysis done by Nazgul it would have taken at least a day to put it together. They would know that regardless of anything, BoxeR wouldn't have been rewarded a loss. Nightend wins game two, so therefore they would also know they could play game three and have it always count, and then just wait for if they would need to play a game four. | ||
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parabs
Canada68 Posts
On March 20 2011 06:17 Bulkers wrote: Then this rule to award Boxer should not be taken under consideration. Otherwise we will see everyone dc'ing after winning huge battle... I don't think you should doubt the integrity of progamers in this tourny. Every competitor is very well respected and i'd be highly shocked if anyone decided to do this. | ||
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Mitsuwa
United States793 Posts
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najreteip
Belgium4158 Posts
but there's still some doubt in my mind... there is NO way that anyone can know what either Boxer or Nightend were going to do next, either player could have made a big mistake for example, he could have just decided to retreat after seeing the stalkers, a bad decision to be sure, but still a possibility ... Perhaps what can be a different way to deal with these horrible situations is to, very much like Nazgul's simulation, recreate the situation both players were in, and just let them play it out. This would be a lot of work of course, but would also serve to appease both viewers and players. I'm not saying a mistake was made, but wouldn't this be more fair? | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
On March 20 2011 06:16 Grumbels wrote: What the no-comment from Nightend says is that he will lose game 3 to BoxeR, I mean, he wouldn't care otherwise, would he? I was thinking that myself. Also I think it's definitely a bad choice to allow players whose tournament future is influenced by the decision to make the decision. | ||
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shabbit
United States13 Posts
On March 20 2011 06:17 Bulkers wrote: I got a question, I read this topic as carefully as I can and there is this: "If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player." Then there are 3 Pannel members saying Nazgul: "A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win" Morrow: "I think Nightend would been able to save his 3rd base and let the game go on..." Then this rule to award Boxer should not be taken under consideration. Otherwise we will see everyone dc'ing after winning huge battle... Also big question why players that take part in this tournament are taken to panel, I can understand Cloud, Nazgul but all the rest are playing in this tournament and that is there is a big chance that Morrow will face the winner of this game in Ro8. Imo Panel member should be take from pros out of "circle of interests" I got to say TL.net is doing great job with this post, its very hard decision, and I admire how professional this trying to be. Sure, Boxer was ahead by far, but still I don't think win was "absolute" and 100% won for Boxer. You need to add context of those quotes; just cherry picking the sentences out of their paragraphs make it seem like those were their only statements to support picking boxer. They used it as saying that what they had said up to that point wasn't enough justification, so they proceeded to expand as to what made it an "absolute" win. Absolute is not 100% - things can happen in any match. I'd have to say absolute is a 95% chance of winning though. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
- Not a boxer fan. [ although confusing lol ] - Also a player who understands the frustrating nature of dcs. - Also UNDERSTANDS the gravity of being asked and selected to be on a panel like this. Morrow deserves lots of respect for covering all the bases like that and taking it so seriously. Naz is the only other person I've seen in the community who does this but its basically a given at this point that he is on panels like this. The difference in MC and Morrows explanation is astounding. [ Although both correct ] and even as a korean I prefer Morrow's method. | ||
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exarchrum
United States491 Posts
The explanations were very well done and represent very respected people in the starcraft community. | ||
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
On March 20 2011 06:21 parabs wrote: I don't think you should doubt the integrity of progamers in this tourny. Every competitor is very well respected and i'd be highly shocked if anyone decided to do this. Progamers would cheat, just like TSL2 you would be surprised. | ||
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Hunterai
Thailand842 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On March 20 2011 06:21 parabs wrote: I don't think you should doubt the integrity of progamers in this tourny. Every competitor is very well respected and i'd be highly shocked if anyone decided to do this. Yeah, it's not like anyone would cheat at dreamhack or artificially inflate his stats to qualify to TSL2, everyone here is honest. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On March 20 2011 06:17 Bulkers wrote: I got a question, I read this topic as carefully as I can and there is this: "If the disconnecting player had the game absolutely won then we will rule it a win for the disconnecting player." Then there are 3 Pannel members saying Nazgul: "A huge advantage however is not enough for an "absolute" win" Morrow: "I think Nightend would been able to save his 3rd base and let the game go on..." Then this rule to award Boxer should not be taken under consideration. Otherwise we will see everyone dc'ing after winning huge battle... Also big question why players that take part in this tournament are taken to panel, I can understand Cloud, Nazgul but all the rest are playing in this tournament and that is there is a big chance that Morrow will face the winner of this game in Ro8. Imo Panel member should be take from pros out of "circle of interests" I got to say TL.net is doing great job with this post, its very hard decision, and I admire how professional this trying to be. Sure, Boxer was ahead by far, but still I don't think win was "absolute" and 100% won for Boxer. On Nazgul's comment: It's because Boxer was beyond a "huge advantage". There's simply no way nightend could have reversed that save for boxer killing his own units. On Morrow's comment: He then explains that regardless of that, boxer would have ended the game a few minutes later. And even if it continued, Boxer would have had such a huge eco/tech/macro lead that it was unsurmountable for nightend. That veto system seems weird, TL should scrap it. And they should not ask people involved in the tournament to participate in these decisions. Apart from that, great decision, great transparency, we all love TL. | ||
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Kazzabiss
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
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MrPello
Sweden187 Posts
I agree with using players not in the tournament. But reading the responses from the panel I could agree 100% with them so no worries there. | ||
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hidiliho
Canada685 Posts
Unfortunate event, but right decision was made. | ||
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rycho
United States360 Posts
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