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Warning: It is HIGHLY recommended that you read the full OP and explanation post (below it). Uninformed opinions/questions that have already been answered will result in moderator action.
mitthrawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany443 Posts
February 20 2011 17:39 GMT
#441
On February 21 2011 02:17 ReaperX wrote:
AWESOME, but where's MKP???

read the OP.....
/o\
kommunalka
Profile Joined February 2011
United States550 Posts
February 20 2011 17:50 GMT
#442
Nazgul should sweep the final TSL qualifier setting up the TLAF-Liquid all-qualify/invite.
rG
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
February 20 2011 17:52 GMT
#443
JINRO

BOXER

NADA

CAN'T GET BETTER!
I'm like badass squared | KeitZer.489
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 19:07:53
February 20 2011 17:54 GMT
#444
On February 20 2011 16:33 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 13:36 dunc wrote:
On February 20 2011 13:07 StarBrift wrote:
SICK terran line up. Best possible invites. TSL will be awesome.


How is it the best possible lineup? 3 out of 5 of these terrans can be replaced..

I'm just glad MVP is coming.

On February 20 2011 12:40 bearhug wrote:
On February 20 2011 08:41 THM wrote:
Everything is great, Nada, Boxer.. Yeah!

But COME on guys, no Foxer Seriously??? Loner over foxer = TT. So what if he's chinese? Moonglade is australian but he wasn't invited right? Why? Yeah cause he's not good enogh.. same should've been for Loner.
I thought invites were for the best players, not for players from certain countries

Sadface =_=



We had no idea that Moonglade would be travelling to Korea, nor that MarineKingPrime would make a second finals appearance. While these events may not have changed the invite list at the end of the day, they were never present in our discussions since they had not happened yet.


Even prior to Season 4 MKP performed better than 4 out of 5 terrans on that list(all but Jinro), so that explanation is kind of stupid. Anyway, it's final so it doesn't matter.
By the same reasoning we should have invited Rainbow since he placed 2nd in S1 and made the semifinals in S2. Further, Rainbow had more consistent results than MKP over the first season three seasons of GSL so we should have invited Rainbow over MKP and loner . You don't hear people calling for Rainbow to be invited now do you? The primary reason MKP has so much support is because he made a second final - something we could never have anticipated.


He's pretty much the Terran revolutionist. I wasn't sold on MarineKing but... bit by bit he showed some remarkable macro talent. Incredibly offensive, all over the map, very skillful and elegant like a soccer player. Especially those macro games he played vs Jinro with the hyper-aggressive bio. To be fair, MVP came out of nowhere as well. Just a BW pro that I've never heard of switched over and is dominating(considering I've followed BW for ages, and still do now.)

On February 20 2011 17:14 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 17:10 hmunkey wrote:
I personally think MKP should have been invited even if he didn't make a second GSL finals based on his performance in non-GSL tournaments, but I guess I can understand the rationale for leaving him out. What I disagree with is Loner's invite -- it seems like pandering to the Chinese community more than anything else.

What non-GSL tournaments are these? Gainward where he got stomped by MVP? Gisado where he didn't shine either? Ygosu invite? (i don't even know where he placed in this).


He placed 3rd in the Gainward, behind MVP & Nestea. In his defense, everyone is getting stomped by MVP. Now I'm actually surprised with all this higher-up hate of MKP. Jinro called the hit out on him, when he beat him in GSL? Mafiarolled ^^

*edit* Maybe I just don't watch Woongjin stars
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 18:11:16
February 20 2011 18:09 GMT
#445
^^ you don't watch enough BW games, apparently. Considering, MVP basically played everyday for Woongjin Stars
Vantastic
Profile Joined October 2009
United States112 Posts
February 20 2011 18:35 GMT
#446
I'm so excite the best of the best are gather here at TL
Winters: Captain Sobel... we salute the rank, not the man.
tSaR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 18:46:20
February 20 2011 18:38 GMT
#447
Jinro and Boxer, the heros of TL
Cthulhu waits dreaming.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 20 2011 18:40 GMT
#448
On February 21 2011 02:54 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 16:33 Plexa wrote:
On February 20 2011 13:36 dunc wrote:
On February 20 2011 13:07 StarBrift wrote:
SICK terran line up. Best possible invites. TSL will be awesome.


How is it the best possible lineup? 3 out of 5 of these terrans can be replaced..

I'm just glad MVP is coming.

On February 20 2011 12:40 bearhug wrote:
On February 20 2011 08:41 THM wrote:
Everything is great, Nada, Boxer.. Yeah!

But COME on guys, no Foxer Seriously??? Loner over foxer = TT. So what if he's chinese? Moonglade is australian but he wasn't invited right? Why? Yeah cause he's not good enogh.. same should've been for Loner.
I thought invites were for the best players, not for players from certain countries

Sadface =_=



We had no idea that Moonglade would be travelling to Korea, nor that MarineKingPrime would make a second finals appearance. While these events may not have changed the invite list at the end of the day, they were never present in our discussions since they had not happened yet.


Even prior to Season 4 MKP performed better than 4 out of 5 terrans on that list(all but Jinro), so that explanation is kind of stupid. Anyway, it's final so it doesn't matter.
By the same reasoning we should have invited Rainbow since he placed 2nd in S1 and made the semifinals in S2. Further, Rainbow had more consistent results than MKP over the first season three seasons of GSL so we should have invited Rainbow over MKP and loner . You don't hear people calling for Rainbow to be invited now do you? The primary reason MKP has so much support is because he made a second final - something we could never have anticipated.


He's pretty much the Terran revolutionist. I wasn't sold on MarineKing but... bit by bit he showed some remarkable macro talent. Incredibly offensive, all over the map, very skillful and elegant like a soccer player. Especially those macro games he played vs Jinro with the hyper-aggressive bio. To be fair, MVP came out of nowhere as well. Just a BW pro that I've never heard of switched over and is dominating(considering I've followed BW for ages, and still do now.)

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 17:14 Plexa wrote:
On February 20 2011 17:10 hmunkey wrote:
I personally think MKP should have been invited even if he didn't make a second GSL finals based on his performance in non-GSL tournaments, but I guess I can understand the rationale for leaving him out. What I disagree with is Loner's invite -- it seems like pandering to the Chinese community more than anything else.

What non-GSL tournaments are these? Gainward where he got stomped by MVP? Gisado where he didn't shine either? Ygosu invite? (i don't even know where he placed in this).


He placed 3rd in the Gainward, behind MVP & Nestea. In his defense, everyone is getting stomped by MVP. Now I'm actually surprised with all this higher-up hate of MKP. Jinro called the hit out on him, when he beat him in GSL? Mafiarolled ^^

There's no higher up hate of MKP. Simply that when we were sending out invites there was no reason to invite him, unless he ended up winning GSLS4 (which he didn't).
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
February 20 2011 19:00 GMT
#449
I really think marineking should've been considered more strongly even before season 4 began. A second place narrowly losing to fruitdealer and losing 3-1 to eventual champion MC in season 3 is nothing to sneeze at.

For the offline events he came in second to Kyrix in the all stars event and in the Gainward tournament made it to the semis and lost to MVP. Stomped by MVP, who hasnt been lately? Alsom he did manage to take a game?. Again, great results.

Not to mention his revolutionary and exciting style that he added even before season 4 had started. Great micro and unique strategies. He wasn't afraid to cheese, win with a timing attack, or turtle to win a long game.

He defeated Rainbow 4-1 head to head and showed better results than him in every GSL and offline event after GSL 1. Even a blind man could tell he was a far superior player at the time of the selctions and the selection of not choosing rainbow showed this.

And the last thing I wanted to mention were his contributions to the foreign community specifically this site are probably overlooked by many. If anyone is or was familar with the iccup who is who thread you know who Clare is. Clare was a progamer who played on the MBC Hero B team. He would go into the iccup thread and post replays to be analyzed. From this the replay sleuths could find match the hotkeys with the smurfs of many different pro players.

He provided hundreds of replays that entertained me and many others. He played games against Bisu, Idra other pros. Many people enjoyed watching the progamers he played against as well as watching his replays for entertainment value. Clare went on to become MarineKingPrime. I don't think any Korean pros provided replays like him and if they did surely not as many and this service was something that I don't think should be forgotten.

Did teamliquid make the wrong call not picking MarineKing? Maybe yes maybe no. In my opinion they made a mistake. If I had to pick a person to replace it would be Loner and if not him Genius. The Blizzcon results just dont weigh too heavily in my mind. I obviously understand the Liquid players can't be sent to Korea and then not invited to TSL even if some of their results don't even remotely compare to MarineKing's.

This is still going to be a great tournament and I am still going to watch and tell my friends to watch. Though when the announcement was made I have to say the tournament got a little less exciting for me.
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 19:17:12
February 20 2011 19:15 GMT
#450
This is the first truly global SC2 tournament with selections from literally the best players from all over the world and the only thing that people can think to talk about is if a single person X might be slightly more qualified than person Y. Honestly what a joke. I know you are just trying to make conversation but by quarreling over whether 1 person qualified over another in a THIRTY TWO person tournament makes it sound like you are forgetting how awesome such a tournament is to begin with. I'm just happy that this tournament is even happening; it's certainly going to make for some amazing starcraft matches
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
February 20 2011 19:29 GMT
#451
You guys should focus on all the great invites instead of the ''Oh no i want MKP''.

Sure MKP is a really great player, but guys, we have Loner, Nada, Boxer, MVP, and JINRO!.

I see no reason to complain.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Tygaa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States40 Posts
February 20 2011 19:36 GMT
#452
even if there good invites, no way you could of said loner was more successful than mkp at any time.
I Will OverLord Rush Your @ss !
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
February 20 2011 19:45 GMT
#453
Mvp is going to shit on everyone lol.
The Notorious Winkles
yScale
Profile Joined June 2010
41 Posts
February 20 2011 19:58 GMT
#454
jinro only foreigner good enough for terran tsl atm. GO JINRO but NaDa and Boxer is kinda orgasmic too
He, who never made a mistake, never tried anyting new.
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
February 20 2011 20:00 GMT
#455
People need to stop whining so much! It's not like this is the last tournament ever. This is just the first of many tournaments with such a diverse line-up. It's going to be AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!! =D=D=D=DXDXD=D=D=DXDXDX

Team Liquid Staff Hwaiting!
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
February 20 2011 20:11 GMT
#456
This invites look sick, and it's nice to see the rationale behind them too. Good selections!

I would've liked to see TheStC invited, but that's because I'm a huge fanboy. I know he hasn't done much to be notable recently, but I think he's just a beastly player. :p
you gotta dance
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
February 20 2011 20:14 GMT
#457
MarineKingPrime.

I understand that there are reasons why he isn`t invited but I don`t like this reason. I respect your decision, since its your tournament and you certainly chose what you thought was best.

However, I will point out that Loner has no fucking right to be there if we are taking raw skill into account and nothing else. Loner`s invitation has little to do with his skill. Almost all of the Code S terrans are better than him, as well as many Code A terrans. Basicly the only way to explain this invitation is to realize that Loner is from China.

. Loner was one of two Chinese invites to Blizzcon 2010 and finished in second place behind Genius. Loner also qualified for Code A in the GSL and was able to retain Code A status for this upcoming season. Based on this, we felt that Loner was the strongest representative from China and thus received an invite.


This is not bad of an achievement but in comparision to a player like MarineKingPrime its pitiful, pathetic, to the degree of not even being worth mentioning.


I said that I respect your choice but I will repeat - I don`t like it.

Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
February 20 2011 20:19 GMT
#458
Chinro HWAITING!
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
samboi
Profile Joined December 2010
England69 Posts
February 20 2011 20:20 GMT
#459
The best terran line-up i have seen in a while
GG
Poocs
Profile Joined February 2011
94 Posts
February 20 2011 20:45 GMT
#460
On February 21 2011 04:29 Zorgaz wrote:
You guys should focus on all the great invites instead of the ''Oh no i want MKP''.

Sure MKP is a really great player, but guys, we have Loner, Nada, Boxer, MVP, and JINRO!.

I see no reason to complain.


I don't think it's about wanting MKP in particular. The same argument can be made for Rainbow that he deserves to be invited more than the other Koreans. But just reading this thread tells you that Boxer and Nada are what most want to see. I guess Loner is for the handful of Chinese spectators....?

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